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Old 13-11-2013, 17:48
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I thought born this way (album and song) were great. It had such strongs songs and only a few crappies and i honestly believe as do the critics from what it seems that born this way is better than artpop.

Wheres all the born this way fans?
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Old 13-11-2013, 17:53
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I dislike it as it's messy, inconsistent and takes it selfway to seriously and overall there are more weak songs than there are strong but it's not the abomination some would have us believe.
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Old 13-11-2013, 17:57
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BTW is faaaaaar superior to Artpop. It's not even my opinion. It's just a fact.
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Old 13-11-2013, 18:07
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I don't like the production more than anything. Very messy.
Plus the title of the album lost it's meaning way after the title track was released. It didn't have a recurring theme like The Fame/Fame Monster and Artpop clearly have.
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Old 13-11-2013, 18:13
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I've come to the conclusion it was an album early.

Artpop should have been the second album and this one the third. I think they are out of sync with each other. It feels like she has gone backwards with Artpop while Born This Way did show growth.
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Old 13-11-2013, 18:27
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I like it but it it's rather messy and inconsistent compared to The Fame/Monster or Artpop. It feels like a random collection of songs thrown together.
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Old 13-11-2013, 18:28
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Some of the songs on BTW were great. Government Hooker, Scheisse and HML are amazing pop songs but I think there was a lot of pretentious junk on that record too. The title track is horrible and I think the problem was that it was over promoted and over hyped. It was in every paper, magazine, everywhere on the net and you couldn't even play farmville without having it rammed in your face. We were also told it was one of the finest pop albums of the decade so it was never going to live up to the insane hype and I think that's why people had such a downer on it
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Old 13-11-2013, 18:46
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I thought born this way (album and song) were great. It had such strongs songs and only a few crappies and i honestly believe as do the critics from what it seems that born this way is better than artpop.

Wheres all the born this way fans?
Totally agree with you. I love BTW. It's what got me into her. Maybe some of her fans don't like it because they are comparing it to the Fame and the Fame Monster, but for me BTW was the first album I bought by her. I much prefer it to Art pop which is really not doing too much for me, except for a few songs.
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Old 13-11-2013, 19:00
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Why do people like or dislike anything?

Taste.
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Old 13-11-2013, 19:03
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I do miles better than awful Artpop!
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Old 13-11-2013, 19:19
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It's a mixed bag.

Born This Way is an important, monumental even, song, but it actually sounds really bland and noisy, the small likeness to Express Yourself being the least of its problems. Judas was a Bad Romance rip off, with a religious makeover. Marry the Night had the most epic video Gaga ever made, but even that couldn't disguise the fact that the song was actually a bit boring tbh.

Highlights, aside from You and I and The Edge of Glory which were collectively the Speechless of the album, were the experimental Heavy Metal Lover and Electric Chapel, and I suppose cheesefest Hair which I always thought of as a prequel to "The Fame" (along with the unremarkable Bad Kids).

Government Hooker and Scheiße were the obvious Gaga single choices, not because they were that great but because they were the most Gaga. They would have never topped Bad Romance, but they would have made more waves than Judas and Marry the Night.

My biggest issue with the album is that it feels noisy and morose, and it certainly isn't pop. Which is why I prefer ARTPOP. But Born This Way is beautiful in its way.
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Old 13-11-2013, 19:34
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The song is exactly what Madonna described it as - reductive. A good gay anthem, which is what she wanted it to be (and which it isn't), doesn't actually need to tell the audience it's a gay anthem. In the case of Express Yourself for example, as soon as she says "come on girls", and then talks about making your man treat you better, it becomes a gay anthem. If you look at a list of what are considered the traditional gay anthems, almost none of them actually reference being gay at all.

Gaga, on the other hand, needs to spell it out for you. And just in case you missed it, she shoehorns in that clunky verse about lesbians, gays, transgenders, cholas, orients and anyone who's ever been bullied or teased. Which really she has to do because her audience is too young to really cath an underlying message. She thinks she's writing self empowerment but actually she's just writing platitudes for gay 13 year olds that watch Glee.
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Old 13-11-2013, 20:34
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I don't like born this way the song as it sounds too much like express yourself.

As for the album the only songs I liked from it are:

Judas
The edge of glory
Bloody Mary
Marry the night
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Old 13-11-2013, 21:00
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i love the album.

its nowhere near as mainstream as the fame though, so it was never going to be as well received.
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Old 13-11-2013, 21:04
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I think gaga got a bit pretentious with BTW and forgot about making good music. I think with artpop she has got the right balance, good songs with meaning and a message.
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Old 13-11-2013, 23:16
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I think that Judas was the point at which gaga started going off course. The BTW/Madonna thing was not helpful but couldve been brushed off if she had changed direction quickly & gone with EOG (best single off the album IMO) or Scheiße which wouldve taken the attention away from Madonna.
What happened was Judas- not only did the song title evoke Memories of Like a Prayer, the song was also a mess of a tune, unfocused and all over the place. Not the right choice for 2nd single off the album.
Following BTW with JUdas, seemed a lot like Madonnas Express Yourself and Like a Prayer singles.
Then to compound the "Madonna-a-like" problem that was happening we got the Alejando vid, which frankly looks like a mix of the Vogue vid with sections of Madonna's Blonde Ambition live tour inserted into it.
At that point she was starting to lose control over her image, & the cracks started to show
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Old 13-11-2013, 23:52
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I like Born This Way (the song) purely because Tamar Braxton stole the show with the backing vocals. The song would not sound as good without her.
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Old 14-11-2013, 04:14
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Born this Way really wasnt pop. I mean, broadly it was, but it largely wasnt commercial. Messy is right, it wasnt an album you'd put on at a party or anything like that. It came off as being very much for her existing fans but offputting to casual fans or fans of pop music.

The only real radio-friendly singles were Born this Way, Edge, Hair and POSSIBLY Marry the Night. Born this Way should not have been the lead single, Edge as lead single would have anchored the album and picked up casual listeners who might have heard the rest of the album or bought it and then reacted. As it was, with BTW as lead single it (unfairly or not) gave the impression that Gaga really thought she was something, like the messiah or something. I mean, she pulled it off, but can you imagine Rihanna releasing a song claiming she's a mystical goddess birthing a new race of people, as a lead single for an album.

I mean, it worked off the back of the crazy-Gaga image, but unfortunately, opening the album campaign with that had the side effect of just writing her off as crazy, the album campaign as crazy, and it putting off casual people.
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Old 14-11-2013, 04:34
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Not an album you'd "put on at a party"....say what????!!!
Marry The Night, Scheiße, Bad Kids, Heavy Metal Lover, Judas, Edge of Glory, Highway Unicorn and BTW are all straight up party tunes to bop away to!! lol
The album was a straight up party.
Her debut wasn't as it was largely mid-tempo and Artpop falls somewhere between The Fame and BTW.
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Old 14-11-2013, 04:47
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^ i think it must depend on the context of the party. a party with a load of gaga fans in attendance would no doubt be "bopping" along, but i don't think that album would be a party album of choice more broadly.

i actually agree with post #18 in some respects, because she did pull off the title track at the time, but i think the concept of the album put casual listeners off her in the end.
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Old 14-11-2013, 19:01
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Clearly they dont like ARTPOP either, just read an article on thatgrapejuice saying her billboard prediction has went from 375k to 275k, thats a 75 percent decrease from BTW sales (even though it was reduced), she's just continuing to alienate any potential fans and it seems on her band of monsters are the only people buying her albums now.
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Old 14-11-2013, 19:17
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The only song I don't like on the album, is the title song. It's just... Not very good...

Judas and Bloody Mary are some of my favorite Lady Gaga songs, though, and I also really loved Hair when it was first released as a promo single.
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Old 14-11-2013, 19:35
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Judas, Bloody Mary, Heavy Metal Lover, Edge Of Glory, Marry The Night, Hair, Scheiße, Goverment Hooker and Bad Kids were all 10/10 songs imo, the only song I didn't like was The Queen.

I still think it is her best album.
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Old 15-11-2013, 06:32
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Bad Romance... one of the best 'pop' songs of the decade, although I couldn't explain why - it just has something (or things) that make it so. I'm not really a Gaga fan. To follow that up with Born This Way (single) - well, admittedly I have become less disinclined to it as time has passed, but, it just sounds.... messy and mish-mashy.
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Old 15-11-2013, 08:41
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Whilst the only songs I listen to repeatedly now are Scheiße, The Edge of Glory and Bloody Mary, I will still listen to most of the others should they come on. Sometimes I seek out Born This Way (song).

My main faults are the overproduction on the 'emotional' songs. another is the horrendously sloppy album campaign.

but I will always hold it dearly because it was released around the same time as my grandfather's death.
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