Disagree

Now again do you still maintain your statement


is correct or not? or concede (as has be demonstrated) it is complete and utter nonsense?

Oh come on!

That's so utterly ridiculous that either you misunderstood the question, or I misunderstood your answer.

But just to confirm, are you seriously disagreeing with this statement:

The number of people who buy phones of any price is greater than the number of people who buy expensive high end phones.

Because if you are, then that literally makes no sense.

Obviously the number of people who buy expensive high end phones will be lower than the number of people who buy any phones.

You do realise what you are saying here?

That the number of expensive, high end phones sold is greater than all phones sold.

Are you just completely taking the piss now?

As for the 66% thing - it doesn't seem that unreasonable. Your contention is that they are excluding phablets and iPhones, but that makes no sense seeing as the whole point is to come up with a figure for Android phones.

It's funny how everyone is disagreeing with you, yet you still think you are correct!!

Like i said anyway, it's meaningless based on 1 part of 1 country on the entire planet.

Try and change the subject all you want with such nonsense.

However you stand by


based on


You clearly do not understand what your apple propaganda site has done in reaching an average for all prices of phones , excluding iphones and phablets.

You really are making and absolute fool of yourself persisting with such a ludicrous statement.



Once you make an average you can't claim that the whole 66% is at that average or below it, even if the very dodgy assumptions and calculations before and after this are correct. Including the s4 in the below 5in category!! Surely even you see that don't you

Really? So now everyone is disagreeing with:

The number of people who buy phones of any price is greater than the number of people who buy expensive high end phones.

Just to be clear, are you disagreeing with that statement?

Why are you making these statements when you know full well what the outcome of these statements are?

It's like stating "the sky is blue" then asking if anyone is disagreeing with that statement....

That's honestly how you sound. Come up with an actual argument rather than this nonsense. By the way, 4 out of 5 of all new smartphones, run Android.

And the market share is rising, whilst apples is falling

The amazing thing here is that swordman does appear to be disagreeing that the sky is blue.

The point here is that it should be no surprise that more people but lower priced phones than buy expensive high end phones.

So having established that, it seems perfectly plausible that with Android the split could be two thirds lower cost phones and one third medium to high end phones.

Would you agree?

Still maintaining even with the very very clear evidence to the contrary that


It is just laughable your understanding of the smartphone market

Nope.

The statement you made earlier was "The number of people who buy phones of any price is greater than the number of people who buy expensive high end phones."

I agree with that statement as it makes logical sense.

The statement you have just made is based entirely on assumptions and dubious sources and more significantly, it makes no logical sense. There's nothing to suggest that low-end Android devices are selling more than high-end ones.

If that were the case, Huawei and ZTE would be at the top of Android OEM share. They aren't. Samsung is top by a long way, and their highest selling device by far is the Galaxy S series. A high-end device range.

Everyone is disagreeing with you.

Those numbers you are throwing around are for 1 part of the US. Thats it. They are completely meaningless.

Even the above from CP makes no sense until you define what high end is. Assuming that all iphones are "high end" unless CP wants to define which are not.

Then I maintain more android phones are sold that are superior to the range of iphones over the last year than not superior. hence more high end than not.

All makes as much sense as his


He is funny though

To be fair to him/her, they did state "expensive high-end devices", though that phrase is questionable I agree.

I agree with you, all the evidence is pointing against low-end Android devices making up the bulk of sales. Samsung sells more of the Galaxy S range than their other devices, and the Galaxy S is definitely a high-end device.

As I said before, if "66%" of all Android devices sold were low-end "selling for £139 or less", then the likes of Huawei, ZTE and Alcatel would certainly be making far more money than they are, and they would most certainly be ahead of HTC in terms of Android OEM share.

Also the fact that LG is seeing huge gains thanks to their Nexus devices and the G2, proves that high-end devices are more likely to be the most popular with buyers.

Yes but expensive and high end are not twinned with android. The s3 or n4 for example are not expensive but in comparison to the iPhone 4, 4s, 5, 5c over the last year are high end devices.

You could argue if you are talking both the iPhone has not sold any high end device only expensive ones

As soon as it stops fitting in the pocket.

In my books, that's when you can't quite take it out and about.

I suppose you could.

It does, which is why I find it strange that swordsman disagreed, and stiggles seemed to think everyone disagreed.


Then it would be quite unusual.

Try swapping "mobile phones" for '"televisions". If I told you I thought more inexpensive televisions are sold than high end televisions, would you tell me that made no logical sense either?


I'm sure it is their biggest seller - but what proportion of all their phone sales does it make up?

This isn't even anything new - for every story about market share, there's another about profit.

If Android have 80% market share, why don't Android phones make up anywhere near 80% of revenue or profit?

You can't compare the mobile phone market to the television market. It's a completely different market with a completely different set of consumer habits. Sorry but that comparison is superfluous and redundant.

I can't tell you that, as I'm not sure Samsung have released that data, but if the Galaxy S series is their biggest seller by far, then it wouldn't be outside of the realms of possibility for it to make up the largest proportion of their mobile phone sales also.

Before we go down the Android is more popular than Apple (iOS) you need to look at the real market share, Android is on 100's of devices in a multitude of screen sizes, pixel densitys, shapes, memory, cpu's etc etc, where as with apple products there are only a handful of devices.

If were going to compare apple vs Android whats the market share between the Iphones and the top end Samsung Galaxy S range?

So talk me through the differences. I wouldn't have thought they were that different insomuch as most people don't buy the most expensive models.

If it's the biggest seller we already know it makes up the largest proportion. The question is whether or not that makes up a majority of sales.

As I added above, if Android has 80% market share, why doesn't it have anywhere near 80% share of profit and revenue?

Surely the obvious reason is that a large number of Android devices are sold at lower prices. It's just common sense and basic arithmetic.

And as Richard said above, Android is available on a much larger variety of devices. Even with the share Apple have it's disproportionately high relative to total number of devices available.

....because Apple are infamous for taking a far higher cut of profit than any other manufacturer ..... How do they do that ?? Mid range hardware, slum factories and sell at the highest price possible knowing that enough people in the world will still buy them to allow Apple to squirrel away more cash than many countries could muster ......

It's been said that the 5C only exists because the profit margin is improved over the 5. Shame it backfired.

It's also easy to forget that Apple had an at least a year and a half head start over Android, so when that is considered, it just makes Android's market performance all the more impressive.

If something like the iPhone 5S is "mid range hardware", what are some examples of high end hardware? And how much do those phones cost?

And what's a "slum factory"?

I'm sorry, but you're being too logical for the Android fanboys on here

C'mon, what a naive statement. Tell me a manufacturer who takes less profit than he could !!!!