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Your figures are for 1 area yes? Right, those figures DO NOT apply for the entire planet. Every country sells devices at a different rate. Some are more popular than others.
That's what i am disagreeing with... |
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Does it? I still haven't seen one thing the iphone 5S can do that's quicker than say an S4, or a Nexus 5.
As i have always maintained, benchmarks mean absolutely nothing between 2 completely different operating systems. Anyway, the inferior bit for me on an iphone is iOS. Truly awful to look at. The point was more to dispute that the iPhone was somehow inferior, rather than argue it was any better. |
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Of course the exact figures will vary from country to country, but I would still expect the general rule of thumb to apply everywhere i.e. expensive high end models will make up fewer sales than low / medium cost, low / medium end models.
It's quite hard to take your posts seriously when you are making these blanket statements which show complete market ignorance. Do you really think the buying habits of emerging economies such as Brazil are going to be the same as those in established economies such as the US?
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Of course mid-range handsets will account for a larger percentage of the total Android market than high-end handsets. Is that really contentious in any way? |
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This statement just proves that you do not have an understanding of the mobile market at all. You've been arguing several statements in this thread which have done nothing but ruin your credibility.
It's quite hard to take your posts seriously when you are making these blanket statements which show complete market ignorance. Do you really think the buying habits of emerging economies such as Brazil are going to be the same as those in established economies such as the US? ![]() But I would be pretty sure that anywhere in the world one thing will be true: Namely that more low/mid cost phones will be sold than high cost phones. As IslandNiles just said, I don't think that is contentious in any way, let alone is anything that somehow "ruins my credibility". Where in the world do you think its likely that sales of expensive / high end phones are greater than low/mid cost phones? |
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Of course mid-range handsets will account for a larger percentage of the total Android market than high-end handsets. Is that really contentious in any way? Apparently. |
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Of course mid-range handsets will account for a larger percentage of the total Android market than high-end handsets. Is that really contentious in any way? If what you are saying rings true, then why aren't ZTE and Huawei giving Samsung a run for its money? And why aren't HTC and Sony (who sell predominately high-end devices) falling off the radar? These statements aren't matching up to the figures. And it is wrong to suggest that buying habits are the same across the entire world, regardless of country, culture or economic status, as some have claimed. |
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When 21% of all Android devices being sold are larger screened (high-end) devices, and 39.9% of all Android devices being Samsung devices, the majority of which are Galaxy S series devices, a high-end range, I don't think sweeping statements like that can be applied everywhere.
If what you are saying rings true, then why aren't ZTE and Huawei giving Samsung a run for its money? And why aren't HTC and Sony (who sell predominately high-end devices) falling off the radar? These statements aren't matching up to the figures. And it is wrong to suggest that buying habits are the same across the entire world, regardless of country, culture or economic status, as some have claimed. - Some of those larger screened mobiles wjll be mid-range anyway. - The Galaxy S4 accounts for under 10% of total Android shipments. It's BY FAR the single biggest selling high end phone, probably better selling that all the others put together. - HTC and Sony aren't falling off the radar but look at their sales figures. Their flagship devices are not selling in absolutely massive numbers at all. I'm not criticising Android. I'm honestly not. I'm simply saying that if you have devices at all price points, the mid-range is probably going to be where you sell the most. And I think tje figures support that. Furthermore, analyst reports about slowing sales of the S4 said that the main sales and growth are coming from the mid-range. Also why one of the recreated suggestions for Apple to gain some market share is to release a mid-range, mid-priced phone. |
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Of course mid-range handsets will account for a larger percentage of the total Android market than high-end handsets. Is that really contentious in any way? The only theory offered seems to have been that 66% percent (2 out of 3) of all android phones are low end costing £139 or less. Something which you seemed to argue previously but never actually said whether you agreed with? |
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Who said mid range? and what is mid range?
The only theory offered seems to have been that 66% percent (2 out of 3) of all android phones are low end costing £139 or less. Something which you seemed to argue previously but never actually said whether you agreed with? I would say mid-range rather than low is probably where the bulk of sales are. |
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Well to address those points specifically:
- Some of those larger screened mobiles wjll be mid-range anyway. - The Galaxy S4 accounts for under 10% of total Android shipments. It's BY FAR the single biggest selling high end phone, probably better selling that all the others put together. - HTC and Sony aren't falling off the radar but look at their sales figures. Their flagship devices are not selling in absolutely massive numbers at all. I'm not criticising Android. I'm honestly not. I'm simply saying that if you have devices at all price points, the mid-range is probably going to be where you sell the most. And I think tje figures support that. Furthermore, analyst reports about slowing sales of the S4 said that the main sales and growth are coming from the mid-range. Also why one of the recreated suggestions for Apple to gain some market share is to release a mid-range, mid-priced phone. And in fairness phones such as the Note, s4, HTC one, LG G2 don't really have equals in the phone world so not many people require that power/spec all together etc in a phone. They are happy with smaller mid range such as the s3 or minis which are direct iphone equivalents. |
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are iPhone sales actually down year on year? Apple has made no secret of the fact it regards market share as insignificant to its future plans.....
However, at least for the world outside of the USA, there is really is a tipping point where Apple also has to become a competitively priced brand. Otherwise the income value of all those ad sales will surely decline. So from what I can see Apple find it very important. |
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The well co-ordinated slurping of user location data, now extending to iBeacons means they are benefiting from expansion of ads.
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Oh. I have no idea about that. It sounds unlikely but I think handset price is a very difficult thing to base anything on, because most phones are bought on contract anyway.
I would say mid-range rather than low is probably where the bulk of sales are. After all it is quite easy to judge taking the sim free price into account, it would mean say that 66% of all android phones are of Galaxy Fame equivalent or below, give or take a degree up or down to account for price variations. http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_gala...s6810-5279.php So what do you think. |
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Although Sony is more profitable through its phone division that almost all other, in addition LG has turned the corner. Granted HTC are still suffering. So not quite a bleak as you claim.
And in fairness phones such as the Note, s4, HTC one, LG G2 don't really have equals in the phone world so not many people require that power/spec all together etc in a phone. They are happy with smaller mid range such as the s3, mini which are direct iphone equivalents. |
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So you don't subscribe to 66% of all android phones cost less than £139 then? as i'm not sure if that was a yes or no?
After all it is quite easy to judge taking the sim free price into account, it would mean say that 66% of all android phones are of Galaxy Fame equivalent or below, give or take a degree up or down to account for price variations. http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_gala...s6810-5279.php So what do you think. |
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Well to address those points specifically:
- Some of those larger screened mobiles wjll be mid-range anyway. - The Galaxy S4 accounts for under 10% of total Android shipments. It's BY FAR the single biggest selling high end phone, probably better selling that all the others put together. - HTC and Sony aren't falling off the radar but look at their sales figures. Their flagship devices are not selling in absolutely massive numbers at all. I'm not criticising Android. I'm honestly not. I'm simply saying that if you have devices at all price points, the mid-range is probably going to be where you sell the most. And I think tje figures support that. Furthermore, analyst reports about slowing sales of the S4 said that the main sales and growth are coming from the mid-range. Also why one of the recreated suggestions for Apple to gain some market share is to release a mid-range, mid-priced phone. I think mid-range and high-end devices make up the bulk of sales. Low-end devices are not that popular in some markets. |
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You see, I can largely agree with "mid-range" devices selling the most for Android, but not "low-end devices costing less than £139" which is what some people have been claiming.
I think mid-range and high-end devices make up the bulk of sales. Low-end devices are not that popular in some markets. ) but a mid range android is equivocal at least to the majority of iphones, making it high end in other sectors.If say the n4 a midrange android was given a nice shiny apple logo and ios it would be the best selling iphone by a mile. |
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Your deliberately misleading claims about iOS and location data are becoming increasingly frequent.
Here's 3 more. http://yfsentrepreneur.com/2013/11/1...ess-heres-how/ http://mobile.macworld.co.uk/apple-b...newsid=3469042 http://mobile.macworld.co.uk/apple-b...newsid=3469042 Is not calling it misleading somewhat in itself far more misleading? It won't be 'stealth' if open to free discussion. And so what if Apple really do compete with Google? |
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Does it? I still haven't seen one thing the iphone 5S can do that's quicker than say an S4, or a Nexus 5.
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does any one have a link to some actual sales figures for each separate device?
a quick google search showed up this " Samsung creams Apple in third quarter smartphone sales " http://www.cnbc.com/id/101200875 however not even that article tells the whole story, as Samsung produce may different smart phones, and most fo those sales are probably the budget end. How is the S4 ( standard version) selling against the iPhone 5s, likewise how do sales of the HTC one, LG G2, Sony Z1, Nexus 5 etc etc all stack up sales wise against Apples offerings? Android vs Apple relay should be looked at as Top range android handset ( ie S4) vs Top range ( and maybe lower range such as 4s/5c) Apple phones. |
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Will an HTC One do. TomTom on 5S compute route Leeds to John O'Groats 8 seconds. HTC One 13 seconds.
Also, meh. Google Maps on the HTC does it in one second. Quote:
does any one have a link to some actual sales figures for each separate device?
a quick google search showed up this " Samsung creams Apple in third quarter smartphone sales " http://www.cnbc.com/id/101200875 however not even that article tells the whole story, as Samsung produce may different smart phones, and most fo those sales are probably the budget end. How is the S4 ( standard version) selling against the iPhone 5s, likewise how do sales of the HTC one, LG G2, Sony Z1, Nexus 5 etc etc all stack up sales wise against Apples offerings? Android vs Apple relay should be looked at as Top range android handset ( ie S4) vs Top range ( and maybe lower range such as 4s/5c) Apple phones. http://www.uswitch.com/mobiles/mobile_tracker/ |
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does any one have a link to some actual sales figures for each separate device?
a quick google search showed up this " Samsung creams Apple in third quarter smartphone sales " http://www.cnbc.com/id/101200875 however not even that article tells the whole story, as Samsung produce may different smart phones, and most fo those sales are probably the budget end. How is the S4 ( standard version) selling against the iPhone 5s, likewise how do sales of the HTC one, LG G2, Sony Z1, Nexus 5 etc etc all stack up sales wise against Apples offerings? Android vs Apple relay should be looked at as Top range android handset ( ie S4) vs Top range ( and maybe lower range such as 4s/5c) Apple phones. Quote:
Well, there's the uSwitch mobile tracker, which tracks both popularity and sales on a per-handset basis:
http://www.uswitch.com/mobiles/mobile_tracker/ |
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Does it? I still haven't seen one thing the iphone 5S can do that's quicker than say an S4, or a Nexus 5.
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