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The Matt Cardle Appreciation Thread (Part 56)
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Linseyap
02-01-2014
Originally Posted by Crabbie123:
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It certainly is his fault as much as anyone's, although those who gave him access to the pills also are hugely involved. I pretty much said that on twitter today to one of his teenage fans, who is really upset and was saying maybe it was our (as in fans) fault for not realising he was unwell. But as I said to her, addicts are very good at hiding the truth, and there is no way she was responsible. The young fans seem to have taken this news really badly, bless them.”

I'm wondering what point he realised he had a problem himself. He always seemed in good spirits when I saw him so there was no way to tell apart from the occasional mention of feeling stressed.

Originally Posted by Crabbie123:
“Tony Cowell ‏@cowelltweets 1m
Much love to @matt_cardle_uk Miss you loads xx

Do Simon and Tony get on? I find it a bit weird how Tony has on several occasions over the last few years tweeted nice stuff to/about Matt, whereas his brother has apparently forgotten that Matt exists. ”

It is rather odd!

So Will has just confirmed he is no longer Matt's manager. I'm not Will's biggest fan but he could have someone worse, I hope he gets a good replacement! The next few months will be interesting.
BrokenBromance
02-01-2014
will talbot ‏@willtalbot1 10m
Lots of tweets regarding Matt and I. No, I'm not managing him anymore. 3 great years though, fantastic memories and lots to be proud of!

will talbot ‏@willtalbot1 16m
Thanks to his lovely fan base - good meeting you guys!

So it's confirmed!
Tam71
02-01-2014
With regards to the Bridgwater show, I asked the organiser a couple of days ago on facebook and he said he was waiting on a statement from Matt's management, so nothing official has been said one way or the other yet.

I admire Matt for how he is now handling this and hope that things work out well for him
BrokenBromance
02-01-2014
Originally Posted by Tam71:
“With regards to the Bridgwater show, I asked the organiser a couple of days ago on facebook and he said he was waiting on a statement from Matt's management, so nothing official has been said one way or the other yet.

I admire Matt for how he is now handling this and hope that things work out well for him ”

Thanks for that I wonder if anyone is actually representing Matt at the moment as his manager has just confirmed they have split He must have someone, or something, in place cos someone is posting promo stuff on facebook for him at the mo. Let's hope we hear soon.
superseasquirt
02-01-2014
Originally Posted by BrokenBromance:
“will talbot ‏@willtalbot1 10m
Lots of tweets regarding Matt and I. No, I'm not managing him anymore. 3 great years though, fantastic memories and lots to be proud of!

will talbot ‏@willtalbot1 16m
Thanks to his lovely fan base - good meeting you guys!

So it's confirmed!”

I still find this very sad.
Just got this message from Blake Hall.
Hi,

We are waiting for Matts management to make announcement.
Please follow SRL Promotions on facebook or check Matts site for updates.
eldracttam
02-01-2014
Originally Posted by BrokenBromance:
“will talbot ‏@willtalbot1 10m
Lots of tweets regarding Matt and I. No, I'm not managing him anymore. 3 great years though, fantastic memories and lots to be proud of!

will talbot ‏@willtalbot1 16m
Thanks to his lovely fan base - good meeting you guys!

So it's confirmed!”

Awww I hate changes.
A sad time indeed in Mattyland
BrokenBromance
02-01-2014
Originally Posted by superseasquirt:
“I still find this very sad.
Just got this message from Blake Hall.
Hi,

We are waiting for Matts management to make announcement.
Please follow SRL Promotions on facebook or check Matts site for updates.”

Thanks, I put the message on twitter
Crabbie123
02-01-2014
Originally Posted by BrokenBromance:
“will talbot ‏@willtalbot1 10m
Lots of tweets regarding Matt and I. No, I'm not managing him anymore. 3 great years though, fantastic memories and lots to be proud of!

will talbot ‏@willtalbot1 16m
Thanks to his lovely fan base - good meeting you guys!

So it's confirmed!”

From the point of view that Matt and Will have been such good friends for the past three years, this is really sad news - although only confirming what we have suspected for a few weeks. However, I have been becoming ever more alarmed this last 12 months by the rants that Will has had on twitter at certain fans and the digs about certain popstars - however right some of the stuff he was saying may have been, I found it uncomfortable at best and unprofessional at worst. I think Will may have been stressed by the overwork of being a one man band, as much as Matt has by sheer pressure to actually produce the albums. Maybe in Will it manifested itself through twitter rants (and maybe arguments away from social media) whereas for Matt the medication was the only outlet he could find. Either way, it probably is time for them both to find new beginnings - Will's bio indicates he still wants to manage, maybe he will be looking for some young unknown artists. For Matt, if there is no one in place, then it is a priority to get something sorted (after rehab of course). As was stated earlier, someone is being active on Facebook and someone posted that handwritten note - it wouldn't be Matt, I am sure internet access is an absolute no no atm. So maybe it is someone at Absolute, or his PR agency, or maybe a family member - it really isn't hard to post on FB.

The one thing that has upset me, Will's recent tweets from his holiday. He must be fully aware that Matt is in rehab, and although he can't read the tweets currently, it still seems insensitive to be rejoicing in his holiday on his twitter account, whilst Matt is probably having the worst week of his life. Not saying he can't enjoy the holiday, he isn't managing Matt, but he has managed to stay off twitter for quite long periods, why rub his mate's nose in it now. And no message of concern at all!
Crabbie123
02-01-2014
Originally Posted by superseasquirt:
“I still find this very sad.
Just got this message from Blake Hall.
Hi,

We are waiting for Matts management to make announcement.
Please follow SRL Promotions on facebook or check Matts site for updates.”

So has the promoter has some contact with Matt's "management" or is he waiting for someone to contact him?
Tam71
02-01-2014
I've just tried looking at Matt's website and it won't load, is anyone else having the same problem or has it been taken offline?
Crabbie123
02-01-2014
Originally Posted by Tam71:
“I've just tried looking at Matt's website and it won't load, is anyone else having the same problem or has it been taken offline?”

Just tried and having the same result. I really hope this is a sign that someone else is managing him, which may involve a new website. I don't think any of his websites have been that good thus far - nothing to keep you going back to because it is interesting etc. It never has information that you can't get elsewhere first and is updated really slowly.

I remember when Matt left Columbia there was an issue where they spent a lot of time trying to regain control of the domain name - I hope any agreements between Will and Matt aren't so slack that there is a dispute as to who owns the rights to the intellectual property. I really hope the website going down is actually a positive sign that things are happening in the background. whilst Matt is out of circulation.
eldracttam
02-01-2014
Originally Posted by Crabbie123:
“From the point of view that Matt and Will have been such good friends for the past three years, this is really sad news - although only confirming what we have suspected for a few weeks. However, I have been becoming ever more alarmed this last 12 months by the rants that Will has had on twitter at certain fans and the digs about certain popstars - however right some of the stuff he was saying may have been, I found it uncomfortable at best and unprofessional at worst. I think Will may have been stressed by the overwork of being a one man band, as much as Matt has by sheer pressure to actually produce the albums. Maybe in Will it manifested itself through twitter rants (and maybe arguments away from social media) whereas for Matt the medication was the only outlet he could find. Either way, it probably is time for them both to find new beginnings - Will's bio indicates he still wants to manage, maybe he will be looking for some young unknown artists. For Matt, if there is no one in place, then it is a priority to get something sorted (after rehab of course). As was stated earlier, someone is being active on Facebook and someone posted that handwritten note - it wouldn't be Matt, I am sure internet access is an absolute no no atm. So maybe it is someone at Absolute, or his PR agency, or maybe a family member - it really isn't hard to post on FB.

The one thing that has upset me, Will's recent tweets from his holiday. He must be fully aware that Matt is in rehab, and although he can't read the tweets currently, it still seems insensitive to be rejoicing in his holiday on his twitter account, whilst Matt is probably having the worst week of his life. Not saying he can't enjoy the holiday, he isn't managing Matt, but he has managed to stay off twitter for quite long periods, why rub his mate's nose in it now. And no message of concern at all!”

Hmmm This had crossed my mind once or twice,
AMS13
02-01-2014
Originally Posted by Crabbie123:
“From the point of view that Matt and Will have been such good friends for the past three years, this is really sad news - although only confirming what we have suspected for a few weeks. However, I have been becoming ever more alarmed this last 12 months by the rants that Will has had on twitter at certain fans and the digs about certain popstars - however right some of the stuff he was saying may have been, I found it uncomfortable at best and unprofessional at worst. I think Will may have been stressed by the overwork of being a one man band, as much as Matt has by sheer pressure to actually produce the albums. Maybe in Will it manifested itself through twitter rants (and maybe arguments away from social media) whereas for Matt the medication was the only outlet he could find. Either way, it probably is time for them both to find new beginnings - Will's bio indicates he still wants to manage, maybe he will be looking for some young unknown artists. For Matt, if there is no one in place, then it is a priority to get something sorted (after rehab of course). As was stated earlier, someone is being active on Facebook and someone posted that handwritten note - it wouldn't be Matt, I am sure internet access is an absolute no no atm. So maybe it is someone at Absolute, or his PR agency, or maybe a family member - it really isn't hard to post on FB.

The one thing that has upset me, Will's recent tweets from his holiday. He must be fully aware that Matt is in rehab, and although he can't read the tweets currently, it still seems insensitive to be rejoicing in his holiday on his twitter account, whilst Matt is probably having the worst week of his life. Not saying he can't enjoy the holiday, he isn't managing Matt, but he has managed to stay off twitter for quite long periods, why rub his mate's nose in it now. And no message of concern at all!”



I agree with what you say and have my own private thoughts about one of them being in The Priory as the other suns himself in the Versace. Bad timing for posting, whatever happened between them. I wish the pair of them the best and more importantly for Matt to get himself sorted. Hopefully there is a strong team waiting for him, once he gets better.
moomin123
02-01-2014
Originally Posted by Crabbie123:
“From the point of view that Matt and Will have been such good friends for the past three years, this is really sad news - although only confirming what we have suspected for a few weeks. However, I have been becoming ever more alarmed this last 12 months by the rants that Will has had on twitter at certain fans and the digs about certain popstars - however right some of the stuff he was saying may have been, I found it uncomfortable at best and unprofessional at worst. I think Will may have been stressed by the overwork of being a one man band, as much as Matt has by sheer pressure to actually produce the albums. Maybe in Will it manifested itself through twitter rants (and maybe arguments away from social media) whereas for Matt the medication was the only outlet he could find. Either way, it probably is time for them both to find new beginnings - Will's bio indicates he still wants to manage, maybe he will be looking for some young unknown artists. For Matt, if there is no one in place, then it is a priority to get something sorted (after rehab of course). As was stated earlier, someone is being active on Facebook and someone posted that handwritten note - it wouldn't be Matt, I am sure internet access is an absolute no no atm. So maybe it is someone at Absolute, or his PR agency, or maybe a family member - it really isn't hard to post on FB.

The one thing that has upset me, Will's recent tweets from his holiday. He must be fully aware that Matt is in rehab, and although he can't read the tweets currently, it still seems insensitive to be rejoicing in his holiday on his twitter account, whilst Matt is probably having the worst week of his life. Not saying he can't enjoy the holiday, he isn't managing Matt, but he has managed to stay off twitter for quite long periods, why rub his mate's nose in it now. And no message of concern at all!”

Agree with all of this. The pressure on both of them must have been immense. I guess there is a reason why not many people attempt to do what they did, looks like it pretty much broke them in the end.

I suspect that Will was making some sort of statement with his tweets, but it doesn't come over well in the circumstances.

The emotional roller coaster of the last three years seems to have reached a peak this week.
eldracttam
02-01-2014
Originally Posted by moomin123:
“Agree with all of this. The pressure on both of them must have been immense. I guess there is a reason why not many people attempt to do what they did, looks like it pretty much broke them in the end.

I suspect that Will was making some sort of statement with his tweets, but it doesn't come over well in the circumstances.

The emotional roller coaster of the last three years seems to have reached a peak this week. ”




For them or us
moomin123
02-01-2014
Originally Posted by eldracttam:
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For them or us ”

Both I guess
mmpfb
02-01-2014
I wouldn't count out Matt accessing the internet from rehab. My ex didn't have any restrictions on his internet use. His treatment seemed to be much more about workshops during the day and providing structure, not isolation. I visited one evening and it was remarkably social - everyone sitting around in the tv room chatting, some on laptops. Of course, as I've said before, different treatments at different places for different people I'd imagine, but I wouldn't extrapolate that he'd be completely cut off from the world necessarily.
AMS13
02-01-2014
Originally Posted by moomin123:
“Both I guess ”



Personally I think more for them. They have been through so much just trying to keep us happy.
Linseyap
02-01-2014
Originally Posted by Crabbie123:
“From the point of view that Matt and Will have been such good friends for the past three years, this is really sad news - although only confirming what we have suspected for a few weeks. However, I have been becoming ever more alarmed this last 12 months by the rants that Will has had on twitter at certain fans and the digs about certain popstars - however right some of the stuff he was saying may have been, I found it uncomfortable at best and unprofessional at worst. I think Will may have been stressed by the overwork of being a one man band, as much as Matt has by sheer pressure to actually produce the albums. Maybe in Will it manifested itself through twitter rants (and maybe arguments away from social media) whereas for Matt the medication was the only outlet he could find. Either way, it probably is time for them both to find new beginnings - Will's bio indicates he still wants to manage, maybe he will be looking for some young unknown artists. For Matt, if there is no one in place, then it is a priority to get something sorted (after rehab of course). As was stated earlier, someone is being active on Facebook and someone posted that handwritten note - it wouldn't be Matt, I am sure internet access is an absolute no no atm. So maybe it is someone at Absolute, or his PR agency, or maybe a family member - it really isn't hard to post on FB.

The one thing that has upset me, Will's recent tweets from his holiday. He must be fully aware that Matt is in rehab, and although he can't read the tweets currently, it still seems insensitive to be rejoicing in his holiday on his twitter account, whilst Matt is probably having the worst week of his life. Not saying he can't enjoy the holiday, he isn't managing Matt, but he has managed to stay off twitter for quite long periods, why rub his mate's nose in it now. And no message of concern at all!”

Great post, I agree whole heartedly! Only thing I have to add is that even though I'm not Will's biggest fan as I said before, he did completely believe in Matt and have the same vision as him. I just hope Matt can find someone else who fits the bill!

Originally Posted by Crabbie123:
“Just tried and having the same result. I really hope this is a sign that someone else is managing him, which may involve a new website. I don't think any of his websites have been that good thus far - nothing to keep you going back to because it is interesting etc. It never has information that you can't get elsewhere first and is updated really slowly.

I remember when Matt left Columbia there was an issue where they spent a lot of time trying to regain control of the domain name - I hope any agreements between Will and Matt aren't so slack that there is a dispute as to who owns the rights to the intellectual property. I really hope the website going down is actually a positive sign that things are happening in the background. whilst Matt is out of circulation.”

Unfortunately official websites are often like that. Fan pages are usually a lot better for keeping up to date!

Originally Posted by mmpfb:
“I wouldn't count out Matt accessing the internet from rehab. My ex didn't have any restrictions on his internet use. His treatment seemed to be much more about workshops during the day and providing structure, not isolation. I visited one evening and it was remarkably social - everyone sitting around in the tv room chatting, some on laptops. Of course, as I've said before, different treatments at different places for different people I'd imagine, but I wouldn't extrapolate that he'd be completely cut off from the world necessarily.”

Thanks for the info. He's obviously seen messages of support as indicated in his letter, although the "see you on the other side" does imply he won't be on until after. I don't see why he can't have contact with the outside world by internet or phone calls.
Crabbie123
02-01-2014
Originally Posted by mmpfb:
“I wouldn't count out Matt accessing the internet from rehab. My ex didn't have any restrictions on his internet use. His treatment seemed to be much more about workshops during the day and providing structure, not isolation. I visited one evening and it was remarkably social - everyone sitting around in the tv room chatting, some on laptops. Of course, as I've said before, different treatments at different places for different people I'd imagine, but I wouldn't extrapolate that he'd be completely cut off from the world necessarily.”

I am guessing that he is cut off for one reason only - the handwritten note. It comes over as very personal because it is handwritten, but I just see Matt as someone who would have happily typed the message on his phone, had it been available. I just surmised that a visitor had told him about the messages, so he wrote a note and they photographed it and posted it for him later.

But I don't know - maybe he really wanted it to look personal. I actually hope he hasn't got access this week in particular - he will be detoxing and feeling bad enough, he doesn't need to read his mentions unfiltered, as despite the majority being lovely and supportive, there is a small percentage of really nasty stuff too.
Crabbie123
02-01-2014
Just posted on Matt's Facebook page:

Matt Cardle - When You Were My Girl
(MCmgmt)

(and the YT link)

So he has management!
mmpfb
02-01-2014
Originally Posted by Crabbie123:
“I am guessing that he is cut off for one reason only - the handwritten note. It comes over as very personal because it is handwritten, but I just see Matt as someone who would have happily typed the message on his phone, had it been available. I just surmised that a visitor had told him about the messages, so he wrote a note and they photographed it and posted it for him later.

But I don't know - maybe he really wanted it to look personal. I actually hope he hasn't got access this week in particular - he will be detoxing and feeling bad enough, he doesn't need to read his mentions unfiltered, as despite the majority being lovely and supportive, there is a small percentage of really nasty stuff too.”

I would guess because it has a more personal feel. Plus you have a few more characters to play with!

As I say, I'm only going on my very limited experience of these places and this was a different clinic (though a similarly high-profile one so it could well use a totally different approach. I'm no expert by any means so please do let me know if I'm just s***ing up your thread. I will say it was quite a different environment to how I'd previously imagined. Everyone seemed quite chilled if also 'confessional', if that makes sense.
BrokenBromance
02-01-2014
Originally Posted by Crabbie123:
“Just posted on Matt's Facebook page:

Matt Cardle - When You Were My Girl
(MCmgmt)

(and the YT link)

So he has management!”

That's comforting
AMS13
02-01-2014
Originally Posted by mmpfb:
“I would guess because it has a more personal feel. Plus you have a few more characters to play with!

As I say, I'm only going on my very limited experience of these places and this was a different clinic (though a similarly high-profile one so it could well use a totally different approach. I'm no expert by any means so please do let me know if I'm just s***ing up your thread. I will say it was quite a different environment to how I'd previously imagined. Everyone seemed quite chilled if also 'confessional', if that makes sense.”



Personally I find your comments interesting and do not feel you are s***ing up the thread. Have a wonderful New Year.
moomin123
02-01-2014
Originally Posted by Crabbie123:
“Just posted on Matt's Facebook page:

Matt Cardle - When You Were My Girl
(MCmgmt)

(and the YT link)

So he has management!”

Looks like management's been following events and sent a message
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