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Old 06-12-2013, 09:09
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It is so. A 3 pin to 2 pin adapter is just that. No hole to receive the earth pin.

A UK to French adapter reverses live and neutral. The UK plug ends upside down so that the live ends up on the left pin. This of course assumes the French socket is wired correctly, many are not! Live/ neutral reverse is dangerous with a UK plug because if the internal fuse goes the equipment is left live.
Disagree. Any plug with only two pins and no hole (or cut out) cannot be inserted into a standard French socket because of the sockets pin sticking out.

It could be inserted into a French two pin multi adapter which is designed to take two pin plugs present on double insulated equipment without polarity issues.

Like anywhere it is possible to find incorrectly wired installations in France (Especially in older properties). New properties must be inspected and obtain a certificate of conformity before they can be connected to the network.

On the two UK adaptors I have (which are marked max 7.5 amp, 230v) the UK plus is the correct way up.
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Old 06-12-2013, 09:20
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Usual complete and utter nonsense - give it a rest, or at least post FACTS not your wild imaginings!.
I wondered how long it would take you to come on denying the laws of physics. As you well know if you put RF into an unscreened, unbalanced, mains cable it WILL radiate.
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Old 06-12-2013, 09:30
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Disagree. Any plug with only two pins and no hole (or cut out) cannot be inserted into a standard French socket because of the sockets pin sticking out.

It could be inserted into a French two pin multi adapter which is designed to take two pin plugs present on double insulated equipment without polarity issues.

Like anywhere it is possible to find incorrectly wired installations in France (Especially in older properties). New properties must be inspected and obtain a certificate of conformity before they can be connected to the network.

On the two UK adaptors I have (which are marked max 7.5 amp, 230v) the UK plus is the correct way up.
Rubbish. Any 2 pin thin enough will fit, e.g. the moulded 2 pin euro plugs found on double insulated equipment. There are adapters with pins on a thin base like that.

Have another look at your adapters. If the French socket has the earth pin at the top the UK plug can only go in upside down otherwise it will foul the earth pin in the socket.

The fact that they are rated at 7.5A make them a no no anyway, people will plug 13 A loads into them such as a kettle or worse still a washing machine. They are rated so low because the pins are too thin as I mentioned before. They conform neither to BS or NF standards.
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Old 06-12-2013, 15:40
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After consulting Wikipedia I have taken apart my UK adapter and can confirm it correctly connects the earth to both the entrance for the French pin and to the sprung connection used in other European countries. You appear to be correct that the line and negative are reversed (according to the post 2002 convention for France but as you point out it does not really matter (except with most LED lighting).

I use these adapters on my UK freetime PVR's which are rated well below 7.5A and if sold in France would have had a two pin plug anyway.

Looking at my wiring in my new house I notice the live can be quite some colours.
Red - Live.
Purple - Switched live (lighting)
Orange - Two way switched live (lighting)

Anyway we are a bit of subject now.
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Old 06-12-2013, 16:01
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I wondered how long it would take you to come on denying the laws of physics. As you well know if you put RF into an unscreened, unbalanced, mains cable it WILL radiate.
But (as you SHOULD know - but presumably ignore?) it's VERY, VERY unlikely to cause any interference. All the facts prove it doesn't which almost no reported cases at all (despite probably millions in use?).

As long as you keep posting your deliberately incorrect opinion, I'll keep correcting you - or some poor sod might actually believe your rubbish.
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Old 07-12-2013, 00:35
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But (as you SHOULD know - but presumably ignore?) it's VERY, VERY unlikely to cause any interference. All the facts prove it doesn't which almost no reported cases at all (despite probably millions in use?).

As long as you keep posting your deliberately incorrect opinion, I'll keep correcting you - or some poor sod might actually believe your rubbish.
If radiation is there it WILL cause interference to any nearby users of that part of the RF spectrum. You cannot know if there are any nearby users now or in the future. Interference IS caused, whether anybody is affected at any one point in time is another matter. You cannot assume if someone is not using the RF spectrum now they won't be tomorrow or some other day.
There are hundreds of reported cases and obviously many more unreported cases as most people have no idea what is causing their problems.
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Old 07-12-2013, 20:35
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Blimey! Not logged on here for a while and only just seen the debate about UK- Euro adapters and powerline kit.

I've been using adapters in France for decades and I've never been electrocuted or set off the interrupter.

I've also never had any interference from powerline adapters.

In conclusion this is a non- issue.
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Old 07-12-2013, 20:36
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Blimey! Not logged on here for a while and only just seen the debate about UK- Euro adapters and powerline kit.

I've been using adapters in France for decades and I've never been electrocuted or set off the interrupter.

I've also never had any interference from powerline adapters.

In conclusion this is a non- issue.
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Old 08-12-2013, 01:31
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Blimey! Not logged on here for a while and only just seen the debate about UK- Euro adapters and powerline kit.

I've been using adapters in France for decades and I've never been electrocuted or set off the interrupter.

I've also never had any interference from powerline adapters.

In conclusion this is a non- issue.
The adapters are really for use by holiday makers for small loads such as shavers, tooth brushes etc. they were never intended to be a permanent solution for high power equipment. Anyway a new French plug is cheaper than an adapter and conforms with the normes which an adapter certainly does not.

Plenty of people have suffered interference from PLT, you are just not using equipment that uses the relavent frequencies.

It is in fact a very serious issue.

http://www.frequencycast.co.uk/powerline.html

http://www.ban-plt.co.uk
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Old 25-05-2015, 16:44
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I have a Humax HB-1000s here in France (near Paris on 100Mbit broadband).
All services working including HD iPlayer. Here is how...
The Humax ethernet port is connected to a 2nd router/wifi box (TP-Link TL-WR1043ND v1). This router/wifi box is connected to the internet on my ISP router/wifi box (BBOX).
On the 2nd router, I have configured to automatically connect to my VPN service, this means any device, wifi or wired that is connected to my 2nd router appears on a UK IP address, no need to set anything on the Humax box, it's just set to the default setup 'out of the box' when I bought it.
Not all router/wifi boxes support connecting to a VPN service.
I pay 2 quid/month to rent a virtual server for my VPN which I setup myself on a linux but if you pay a little bit more you can get a VPN service.
Hi Dougie,

Very excited to red your post. We have a Foxsat here and have always used it as is, but I bought one of the new ones with iPlayer, etc. for my mum but she's given it back to me this weekend. I have a second router - a TP Link WR1043ND and will install DD-WRT on it. The VPN I use for my work, TorGuard, can also be installed on the router once it's running DD-WRT, but I'm a bit of a n00b regarding the networking side of things. Can I just run ethernet from my SFR router to the TP-Link router, into the Internet (blue) port? Then hook that up to the Freetime Foxsat?

Thanks for any help you can give,

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Old 26-05-2015, 08:51
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I think I'm *nearly* there. My TP-Link WR1043ND has dd-wrt v24-sp2 installed and I, *most* of the way to a successful installation of TorGuard as a VPN service on the router; the tp-link is chained into the SFR router with DHCP disabled and the network connection working. Just those last bits to sort...

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Old 26-05-2015, 10:02
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A smart DNS solution would provides a faster and simple solution without the need for a VPN router. The DN|S setting can be used on the freesat unit or your main router if you want availability on your whole LAN.
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Old 28-05-2015, 08:48
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A smart DNS solution would provides a faster and simple solution without the need for a VPN router. The DN|S setting can be used on the freesat unit or your main router if you want availability on your whole LAN.
Is there a smart DNS service which works for all services? I have tried Unblock-us which doesn't work for 4OD and Demand5 and Unotelly which works for all except Demand5.
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Old 28-05-2015, 09:12
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https://www2.unotelly.com/channels seems to offer a good selection.
Most services offer a free trial.
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Old 28-05-2015, 17:36
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https://www2.unotelly.com/channels seems to offer a good selection.
Most services offer a free trial.
Yes, as I mentioned, I've tried Unotelly but it doesn't work for Demand5 on my HDR-1000S.
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Old 29-05-2015, 11:14
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Yes, as I mentioned, I've tried Unotelly but it doesn't work for Demand5 on my HDR-1000S.
Missed that you had already tried it. Did you try their "Free request to unlock new channels"?

p.s. https://www.overplay.net/channel-list.php supports demand5.
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Old 31-05-2015, 07:37
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Missed that you had already tried it. Did you try their "Free request to unlock new channels"?

p.s. https://www.overplay.net/channel-list.php supports demand5.
Both Unotelly and Overplay list Demand5 as supported but on emailing they both reply stating that the Humax is not supported therefore they cannot confirm whether it will work or not, and if it does work that it will continue to do so or not.
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Old 31-05-2015, 12:55
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Both Unotelly and Overplay list Demand5 as supported but on emailing they both reply stating that the Humax is not supported therefore they cannot confirm whether it will work or not, and if it does work that it will continue to do so or not.
As far as I know they only check the IP and on that basis I would think that if it works on a PC then there is an excellent chance that the Humax will not have problems.
Did you try with the changed DNS setting on the router or the foxsat?
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Old 01-06-2015, 09:54
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As far as I know they only check the IP and on that basis I would think that if it works on a PC then there is an excellent chance that the Humax will not have problems.
Did you try with the changed DNS setting on the router or the foxsat?
DNS setting applied on the HDR-1000S

I have only tested Unotelly. I have not actually tested Overplay as they do not offer a free trial. I thought I would ask on here for feedback before taking out a one month sub to test for myself.

With Unotelly, it works fine on my pc. Symptoms on HDR are that it plays the pre-program advertisements fine then freezes with no error message.
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Old 04-06-2015, 21:53
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I think I'm *nearly* there. My TP-Link WR1043ND has dd-wrt v24-sp2 installed and I, *most* of the way to a successful installation of TorGuard as a VPN service on the router; the tp-link is chained into the SFR router with DHCP disabled and the network connection working. Just those last bits to sort...

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Not sorted yet and I sent that router back to replace it with the TP-Link Archer C5. I am close since I am successfully in contact with the vpn server, I just can't get it to work in a meaningful way - my computer's on the network stay resolutely in France... B
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Old 04-06-2015, 23:43
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The adapters are really for use by holiday makers for small loads such as shavers, tooth brushes etc. they were never intended to be a permanent solution for high power equipment. Anyway a new French plug is cheaper than an adapter and conforms with the normes which an adapter certainly does not.

Plenty of people have suffered interference from PLT, you are just not using equipment that uses the relavent frequencies.

It is in fact a very serious issue.

http://www.frequencycast.co.uk/powerline.html

http://www.ban-plt.co.uk
What's your definition of high power ?

Simple example here rated at 7.5A 250V ( Over 1.8kW).
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Go-Travel-Ad...l+adapter+plug

Many are rated at higher currents.

It took about 30 seconds to find an example.

How many are likely to connect a 2kW load to a adaptor plug ?.

Just another example of at the very least not even bothering to check what you are posting.
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Old 05-06-2015, 10:43
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Not sorted yet and I sent that router back to replace it with the TP-Link Archer C5. I am close since I am successfully in contact with the vpn server, I just can't get it to work in a meaningful way - my computer's on the network stay resolutely in France... B
Hi, my setup is still working ok using my own VPN server installed on a VPS hosted in a UK datacenter, cost is very low, 3 euros / month. If the connection gets dropped I just power cycle the TP-Link box, the kids/wife are able to do this.

So my setup is
ISP BBOX <----> TP-Link TL-WR1043ND v1 <-----> Freesat
192.168.1.1 <----> 192.168.2.1 <----> DHCP address from TP-Link router

No firmware changes, all stock.

Simple PPTP VPN server installed by me on a VPS in UK, ubuntu linux, followed guides found in google.
The TP-Link router/wifi box connects to my PPTP VPN server using the built-in web GUI router setup pages, just needed to add the IP of the VPN server and the username/password I used for connections to my VPN server.
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Old 05-06-2015, 22:29
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Wow! Excellent, thanks for your response. I've switched the TP-Link router to dd-wrt because my chosen VPN (TorGuard) works directly on the router with this. You have your tp-link on a separate subnet (is that the right term, I'm new enough at this)? I guess that might be my problem; mine is at 192.168.1.3 to not conflict with my ISP router at 192.168.1.1. Are you turning off DHCP from your ISP router, or is it just the your freesat box is getting a dhcp address assigned from the tp-link? B
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Old 06-06-2015, 01:26
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By George, I think I've got it. It was your mention of PPTP that made all the difference. I didn't know what it was, but when you mentioned it I looked it up and set my dd wrt router up accordingly. Now I can access BBC iPlayer through an ethernet connection to that router, and also through wi-fi from the same router meaning tablets as well as the Foxsat. Thank you! B
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Old 06-06-2015, 19:12
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By George, I think I've got it. It was your mention of PPTP that made all the difference. I didn't know what it was, but when you mentioned it I looked it up and set my dd wrt router up accordingly. Now I can access BBC iPlayer through an ethernet connection to that router, and also through wi-fi from the same router meaning tablets as well as the Foxsat. Thank you! B
great news

Yes, I have internal 2 networks.
In simple terms the BBOX ISP router has 2 networks, one has an Internet address from the ISP and the other the internal private network 192.168.1.x for my devices to access the Internet using NAT. The TP-link router also has 2 networks sides, 1 with an IP for the 192.168.1.x and the other has the 2nd private address range 192.168.2.x.
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