Originally Posted by Antimon_Bush:
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Also, I can't understand why are Martha and Clara unpopular???”
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Also, I can't understand why are Martha and Clara unpopular???”
Because they're not Rose or Amy
I love them though..
Official! David Tennant And Billie Piper Are The Nations Favourite!
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“The Scottish actor, who played the role from 2005-10, gained 56% of the RadioTimes.com vote, easily beating closest rival Matt Smith.”
“The Scottish actor, who played the role from 2005-10, gained 56% of the RadioTimes.com vote, easily beating closest rival Matt Smith.”
An online self-selecting poll.
Hmm.
Originally Posted by CAMERA OBSCURA:
“The polls themselves over the years and fandom, Im not sure how you have missed it.
When was the last time Hartnell topped a best Doctor poll, and yet you think that if joe public saw 5 classic Hartnell episodes it would change future polls so much that he would come out on top.
Now if you want you can put two and two together to make 5 but I find it simpler if it makes 4. Unless you can predict a massive upsurge in Hartnells popularity in the upcoming years that he will over take Tennant , Tom baker and Matt Smith then good on you but regardless of how many people watch the
'classics' it will not make a single jot in terms of popular Doctors in polls.”
“The polls themselves over the years and fandom, Im not sure how you have missed it.
When was the last time Hartnell topped a best Doctor poll, and yet you think that if joe public saw 5 classic Hartnell episodes it would change future polls so much that he would come out on top.
Now if you want you can put two and two together to make 5 but I find it simpler if it makes 4. Unless you can predict a massive upsurge in Hartnells popularity in the upcoming years that he will over take Tennant , Tom baker and Matt Smith then good on you but regardless of how many people watch the
'classics' it will not make a single jot in terms of popular Doctors in polls.”
Well it is correct if it is 4. But what you have ended up with is e. I have never said William Hartnell would be on top. What I said was it is meaningless for people to say David Tennant is better than William Hartnell if they have never seen William Hartnell. I have never said anything about William Hartnell being rated as the best doctor. I think you have completely misunderstood what I was trying to say.
Yes if 100% of people who have seen both doctors rated 10 above 1 I have no issue with that. What I have an issue with is polls where the majority of people haven't seen all the doctors and has a self selection bias. And I only used 1 as an example. My argument applies to all the classic series.doctors including 4
And you still haven't provided any proof that the rankings and the percentage of votes each doctor has is the same.
Originally Posted by bp2:
“Well it is correct if it is 4. But what you have ended up with is e. I have never said William Hartnell would be on top. What I said was it is meaningless for people to say David Tennant is better than William Hartnell if they have never seen William Hartnell.”
“Well it is correct if it is 4. But what you have ended up with is e. I have never said William Hartnell would be on top. What I said was it is meaningless for people to say David Tennant is better than William Hartnell if they have never seen William Hartnell.”
Yet large portions of fandom HAVE seen the Hartnell era so why doesn't he top the polls within fandom.
Surely it isn't a great stretch of the imagination to translate that FACT to the wider public.
Im not disputing that the wider public will not have seen the Hartnell era I am disputing that if they did it would make a difference to the topping of polls. It doesn't in fandom.
Originally Posted by CAMERA OBSCURA:
“Yet large portions of fandom HAVE seen the Hartnell era so why doesn't he top the polls within fandom.
Surely it isn't a great stretch of the imagination to translate that FACT to the wider public.
Im not disputing that the wider public will not have seen the Hartnell era I am disputing that if they did it wouldn't make a difference to the topping of polls. It doesn't in fandom.”
“Yet large portions of fandom HAVE seen the Hartnell era so why doesn't he top the polls within fandom.
Surely it isn't a great stretch of the imagination to translate that FACT to the wider public.
Im not disputing that the wider public will not have seen the Hartnell era I am disputing that if they did it wouldn't make a difference to the topping of polls. It doesn't in fandom.”
Show me a doctor who poll where everyone who voted has seen all eras of doctor who replicate the rankings and percentage of the vote each doctor got in the radio times vote.
Originally Posted by bp2:
“Show me a doctor who poll where everyone who voted has seen all eras of doctor who replicate the rankings and percentage of the vote each doctor got in the radio times vote.”
“Show me a doctor who poll where everyone who voted has seen all eras of doctor who replicate the rankings and percentage of the vote each doctor got in the radio times vote.”
What are you failing to grasp.
Tennat topping a poll has NOTHING to do with if anyone has seen the Hartnell era or not.
Even amongst fandom polls, especially on here, Hartnell does not come out on top and many here HAVE seen that era. Why do you think that a public poll would be different if the modern audience had seen it or not.
Would you put Hartnell at the top of your list?
Originally Posted by bp2:
“Show me a doctor who poll where everyone who voted has seen all eras of doctor who replicate the rankings and percentage of the vote each doctor got in the radio times vote.”
“Show me a doctor who poll where everyone who voted has seen all eras of doctor who replicate the rankings and percentage of the vote each doctor got in the radio times vote.”
How could such a poll possibly happen? Would there be some sort of entrance exam to ensure respondents really have watched all the Doctors?
Honestly, these polls merely show which Doctors are most highly regarded by the general public in 2013. They don't claim to show anything else. Even if you allow for skewing in the self-sampled Radio Times poll, the fact remains that Tennant came top of the representatively-sampled YouGov poll by a significant margin.
Originally Posted by CAMERA OBSCURA:
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What are you failing to grasp.
Tennat topping a poll has NOTHING to do with if anyone has seen the Hartnell era or not.
Even amongst fandom polls, especially on here, Hartnell does not come out on top and many here HAVE seen that era. Why do you think that a public poll would be different if the modern audience had seen it or not.
Would you put Hartnell at the top of your list?”
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What are you failing to grasp.
Tennat topping a poll has NOTHING to do with if anyone has seen the Hartnell era or not.
Even amongst fandom polls, especially on here, Hartnell does not come out on top and many here HAVE seen that era. Why do you think that a public poll would be different if the modern audience had seen it or not.
Would you put Hartnell at the top of your list?”
As for the bottom question No.
And you really don't get my point. You haven't proved what I asked you to prove. You are just going on about Hartnell for some reason. I just used Hartnell as an example. You make it sound like I have an obsession with his doctor.
Are you really saying if all the 20,000 watched all eras of the classic series the poll would look exactly the same?
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Yes if 100% of people who have seen both doctors rated 10 above 1 I have no issue with that. What I have an issue with is polls where the majority of people haven't seen all the doctors and has a self selection bias. And I only used 1 as an example. My argument applies to all the classic series.doctors including 4”
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Yes if 100% of people who have seen both doctors rated 10 above 1 I have no issue with that. What I have an issue with is polls where the majority of people haven't seen all the doctors and has a self selection bias. And I only used 1 as an example. My argument applies to all the classic series.doctors including 4”
Apologies I missed this as you added it whilst I made my previous post.
Well of course no Who poll will contain contributors that have seen every Doctor. But even in the parts of fandom that have seen all the episodes the results are not that dissimilar, i.e Tennant,Baker,Smith and Troughton, Rose, Sarah Smith and Donna.
Im struggling to find what some are finding so shocking about this poll.
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“And you still haven't provided any proof that the rankings and the percentage of votes each doctor has is the same.”
“And you still haven't provided any proof that the rankings and the percentage of votes each doctor has is the same.”
Because I haven't said it has or does. How can I provide proof of something I haven't said.
Tom Baker and Troughton rate highly in this poll, why not Hartnell.
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As for the bottom question No.”
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As for the bottom question No.”
Then why should others.
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“And you really don't get my point. You haven't proved what I asked you to prove. You are just going on about Hartnell for some reason. I just used Hartnell as an example. You make it sound like I have an obsession with his doctor.”
“And you really don't get my point. You haven't proved what I asked you to prove. You are just going on about Hartnell for some reason. I just used Hartnell as an example. You make it sound like I have an obsession with his doctor.”
Im sorry you are the one that used Hartnell in your example, of course I will mention him in my replies
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“Are you really saying if all the 20,000 watched all eras of the classic series the poll would look exactly the same?”
“Are you really saying if all the 20,000 watched all eras of the classic series the poll would look exactly the same?”
I haven't said exactly the same I said even if everyone that took part in that poll had seen Hartnells era it would not have made a difference to the topping of the poll, THIS POLL becasue even in fandom, the fans that have seen his era they wouldn't vote enough to put him top of a poll of best Doctors.
Originally Posted by bp2:
“Are you really saying if all the 20,000 watched all eras of the classic series the poll would look exactly the same?”
“Are you really saying if all the 20,000 watched all eras of the classic series the poll would look exactly the same?”
Using your bizarre logic, virtually all polls are null and void unless there's some way to ensure that every respondent is well-informed.
These polls don't pretend to represent expert opinion. They merely show which actors are still well-regarded by the public in 2013. That is all.
How did they decide which votes weren't cast fairly? Last time I looked Adric was running away with it.
A rather silly attempt by the OP to stir up some boring fandom wars in a week when we should all be celebrating. A shame.
Why would anyone care what a poll thinks? Is anyone that fragile minded they would suddenly see what Radio Times readers think and have their beliefs and opinions shattered? Of course not. These things are meaningless fun.
Why would anyone care what a poll thinks? Is anyone that fragile minded they would suddenly see what Radio Times readers think and have their beliefs and opinions shattered? Of course not. These things are meaningless fun.
I hate these polls. They prove nothing. They settle nothing. They tell us nothing about the quality of the show or what the wider audience thinks. All they seem to do is set fans against one another.
Matt Smith is currently my favourite interpretation of the character. But I also love David Tennant. I also love all the others who have played the role. He's a great character who has been lucky enough to have been played by eleven fantastic actors (so far). Its why the series is now celebrating its fiftieth birthday.
All the actors have done great jobs in my eyes and all of their contributions have helped keep the show alive. Kudos to all of them.
Matt Smith is currently my favourite interpretation of the character. But I also love David Tennant. I also love all the others who have played the role. He's a great character who has been lucky enough to have been played by eleven fantastic actors (so far). Its why the series is now celebrating its fiftieth birthday.
All the actors have done great jobs in my eyes and all of their contributions have helped keep the show alive. Kudos to all of them.
Originally Posted by JohnnyForget:
“Confirmation that the "nation" hasn't got a clue when it comes to our beloved show.”
“Confirmation that the "nation" hasn't got a clue when it comes to our beloved show.”
All it confirms is that a large part of the voters are under the age of 30 and probably haven't ever seen any of the older Doctors. When you have the New Series repeated regularly on TV and the Classic show repeated.. well.. practically never. It's pretty understandable that Tennant and Piper do so well in these polls. That's not to say it's undeserved, just that they do have a bit of an advantage
Originally Posted by saladfingers81:
“A rather silly attempt by the OP to stir up some boring fandom wars in a week when we should all be celebrating. A shame.
Why would anyone care what a poll thinks? Is anyone that fragile minded they would suddenly see what Radio Times readers think and have their beliefs and opinions shattered? Of course not. These things are meaningless fun.”
“A rather silly attempt by the OP to stir up some boring fandom wars in a week when we should all be celebrating. A shame.
Why would anyone care what a poll thinks? Is anyone that fragile minded they would suddenly see what Radio Times readers think and have their beliefs and opinions shattered? Of course not. These things are meaningless fun.”
No I haven't started this thread to stir up fandom wars. What an offensive thing to say. As has been evidenced, these polls have very similar results whether it be Radio Times or on here. Anyone could have voted for their favourite via the Radio Times website. Anyone. I think you're the one who's trying to stir things up. There are some threads on here which are even more sillier. Do you say anything in those threads?
And I am celebrating for this week. Been a long time coming. I'm going to get a bottle of wine and drown it when the afterparty's on.
Originally Posted by Airborae:
“Here it is guys...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-24955294
I think I can hear frothing at the mouths of the Matt Smith fans...
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“Here it is guys...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-24955294
I think I can hear frothing at the mouths of the Matt Smith fans...
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Why is that?
Matt Smith is my favourite Doctor, but I have no problem with the majority preferring a different one. It's all a matter of opinion. "The nation" doesn't prefer David Tennant and Billie Piper, the majority of them do. There isn't one hive mind for "the nation".
This in no way invalidates the opinion of those who prefer Matt Smith, and vice versa had Smith won the poll.
So, in a nutshell, there's no "frothing at the mouth" from this Matt Smith fan. Being a Smith fan and a Tennant detractor aren't exclusively the same thing, you know? You can prefer one yet still respect the other.
I know you're already taken offense to the "fandom wars" comment, but I see where they're coming from. That comment about "the Matt Smith fans" was a rather insulting generalization imo. I also find it a shame that you couldn't post about the poll result without taking a shot at fans of another Doctor.
Originally Posted by SillyBillyGoat:
“I know you're already taken offense to the "fandom wars" comment, but I see where they're coming from. That comment about "the Matt Smith fans" was a rather insulting generalization imo. I also find it a shame that you couldn't post about the poll result without taking a shot at fans of another Doctor.”
“I know you're already taken offense to the "fandom wars" comment, but I see where they're coming from. That comment about "the Matt Smith fans" was a rather insulting generalization imo. I also find it a shame that you couldn't post about the poll result without taking a shot at fans of another Doctor.”
I didn't take offence about the fandom wars comment. Not at all and the last line was just merely a joke and not to be taken seriously. Because I knew that it would always end up in a war between different Doctor fans. And that last line clearly didn't offend many at all, otherwise it would have been mentioned more often.
Originally Posted by Airborae:
“No I haven't started this thread to stir up fandom wars. What an offensive thing to say. As has been evidenced, these polls have very similar results whether it be Radio Times or on here. Anyone could have voted for their favourite via the Radio Times website. Anyone. I think you're the one who's trying to stir things up. There are some threads on here which are even more sillier. Do you say anything in those threads?
And I am celebrating for this week. Been a long time coming. I'm going to get a bottle of wine and drown it when the afterparty's on.”
“No I haven't started this thread to stir up fandom wars. What an offensive thing to say. As has been evidenced, these polls have very similar results whether it be Radio Times or on here. Anyone could have voted for their favourite via the Radio Times website. Anyone. I think you're the one who's trying to stir things up. There are some threads on here which are even more sillier. Do you say anything in those threads?
And I am celebrating for this week. Been a long time coming. I'm going to get a bottle of wine and drown it when the afterparty's on.”
SillyBillyGoat has already answered perfectly for me. It wasn't the thread itself but that last comment. I took it as being intended to wind up and immediately set factions against each other to start the same boring argument.Apologies if I misunderstood.
I never entered the poll - didn't see it!
I would have said David and Catherine Tate for the new series.
And Pat troughton and jamie for the Classic days! (along with Tom Baker and Lis Sladen as very-close runners up!).
STOP all this bickering!! You are all worse than the frigging Time lords themselves!!
I would have said David and Catherine Tate for the new series.
And Pat troughton and jamie for the Classic days! (along with Tom Baker and Lis Sladen as very-close runners up!).
STOP all this bickering!! You are all worse than the frigging Time lords themselves!!
The best Doctor was actually Meglos when he took on his form in a once in a lifetime performance, even managing to fool the entire Tigellan society.
Obviously not included in the poll as he'd clearly run away with it like it's a shrunken Dodecahedron.
Obviously not included in the poll as he'd clearly run away with it like it's a shrunken Dodecahedron.
Originally Posted by saladfingers81:
“SillyBillyGoat has already answered perfectly for me. It wasn't the thread itself but that last comment. I took it as being intended to wind up and immediately set factions against each other to start the same boring argument.Apologies if I misunderstood.”
“SillyBillyGoat has already answered perfectly for me. It wasn't the thread itself but that last comment. I took it as being intended to wind up and immediately set factions against each other to start the same boring argument.Apologies if I misunderstood.”
I took the "grin" after that comment to indicate it was a joke.
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