No one asked me.
I didn't like either of them.
I didn't like either of them.
Official! David Tennant And Billie Piper Are The Nations Favourite!
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Originally Posted by Lord Melbury:
“I took the "grin" after that comment to indicate it was a joke.”
“I took the "grin" after that comment to indicate it was a joke.”
You might be right.
Originally Posted by saladfingers81:
“You might be right.”
“You might be right.”
He was. Thank you Lord Melbury for taking the spirit of the thread in the way it was intended.
hmmm for me Smith over Tennant day as I think Smith played the Doctor better - for a young guy he can do the aspects of playing a very old guy with guilt quite well and the last scene with River, he portrayed that very well. But sometimes there is too much levity in his Doctor - his fault or the writings fault..? they all have this camp jovial side I hope Capaldi's Doctor shows less of.
But overall? Davidson, he wasn't as jovial as the others, darker maybe. (I could be remembering wrong, I was a meer child)
Companion, Donna without a doubt.
But overall? Davidson, he wasn't as jovial as the others, darker maybe. (I could be remembering wrong, I was a meer child)
Companion, Donna without a doubt.
Originally Posted by JohnnyForget:
“Confirmation that the "nation" hasn't got a clue when it comes to our beloved show.”
“Confirmation that the "nation" hasn't got a clue when it comes to our beloved show.”
Why so, could it be because they shockingly don't agree with your opinion??
Originally Posted by bp2:
“Completely meaningless poll. I might as well ask should the rich pay more tax and only ask people living in Kensington, Knightsbridge and Mayfair. Surprised BBC News even made an article on this poll.”
“Completely meaningless poll. I might as well ask should the rich pay more tax and only ask people living in Kensington, Knightsbridge and Mayfair. Surprised BBC News even made an article on this poll.”
Who has said the poll has any meaning?
The fact remains that a poll of 20,000 people put Tennant top Doctor, it doesn't make him the "best" Doctor, no poll could ever confirm that, but it does indicate that he is the most "popular" Doctor at this moment in time, nothing more, nothing less.
Originally Posted by Lord Melbury:
“Snap. My sister done the same (and she was brought up a classic series fan).
During Tennants time, the nation treated Doctor Who like a popular soap and I think that is the reason why 10 & Rose are so popular and ingrained on the nations brain, they are Den & Angie, Ken & Deirdre etc...”
“Snap. My sister done the same (and she was brought up a classic series fan).
During Tennants time, the nation treated Doctor Who like a popular soap and I think that is the reason why 10 & Rose are so popular and ingrained on the nations brain, they are Den & Angie, Ken & Deirdre etc...”
I've said this all along, though. RTD wrote for a big, broad audience. He turned the Doctor into a romantic lead and brought the companions from real-world environments. And like it or not, the show became massively successful as a result.
Moffat is more of a Who traditionalist, making the Doctor a more asexual lead once more and upping the sci-fi content whilst reducing the kitchen-sink drama.
I think Who fans are delighted (as is often evident on this forum) but we're losing the interest of the viewers that RTD got on board, who are not Who-fans so to speak but just enjoyed the new show.
And I think that's partly evidenced by these endless polls and surveys showing Tennant's Doctor is far and away most popular.
Things like this are always going to be skewed by the particular time the question is asked.
For example how many people who watch the show now will have regularly watched Patrick Troughton or even Tom Baker episodes with them as Doctor Who?
I can't even offer an honest evaluation as I haven't watched any Patrick Troughton episodes, seen maybe one Hartnell story that was on BBC4, haven't watched Colin Baker or Sylvester MCoy, and only watched a few of Peter Davison which I've completely forgotten.
So even my opinion is going to be affected by a large extent to what is fresher in my memory.
If I was 12 years old I wouldn't even have much of a memory to speak of and Chris Eccleston may as well be a Doctor from Classic Who who I can hardly remember.
This question is always going be skewed by what's popular in the zeitgeist at the particular time.
For example how many people who watch the show now will have regularly watched Patrick Troughton or even Tom Baker episodes with them as Doctor Who?
I can't even offer an honest evaluation as I haven't watched any Patrick Troughton episodes, seen maybe one Hartnell story that was on BBC4, haven't watched Colin Baker or Sylvester MCoy, and only watched a few of Peter Davison which I've completely forgotten.
So even my opinion is going to be affected by a large extent to what is fresher in my memory.
If I was 12 years old I wouldn't even have much of a memory to speak of and Chris Eccleston may as well be a Doctor from Classic Who who I can hardly remember.
This question is always going be skewed by what's popular in the zeitgeist at the particular time.
Originally Posted by Alrightmate:
“Things like this are always going to be skewed by the particular time the question is asked.
For example how many people will have regularly watched Patrick Troughton or even Tom Baker episodes with them as Doctor Who?
This question is always going be skewed by what's popular in the zeitgeist at the particular time.”
“Things like this are always going to be skewed by the particular time the question is asked.
For example how many people will have regularly watched Patrick Troughton or even Tom Baker episodes with them as Doctor Who?
This question is always going be skewed by what's popular in the zeitgeist at the particular time.”
While I don't want to get into a Smith-bashing fest, it's interesting to note that Tom is slightly ahead and David is way ahead of Matt in the other poll by YouGov. While David may be currently popular from Broadchurch and The Escape Artist, Tom hasn't really been in the zeitgeist since Little Britain a decade ago.
Originally Posted by be more pacific:
“While I don't want to get into a Smith-bashing fest, it's interesting to note that Tom is slightly ahead and David is way ahead of Matt in the other poll by YouGov. While David may be currently popular from Broadchurch and The Escape Artist, Tom hasn't really been in the zeitgeist since Little Britain a decade ago.”
“While I don't want to get into a Smith-bashing fest, it's interesting to note that Tom is slightly ahead and David is way ahead of Matt in the other poll by YouGov. While David may be currently popular from Broadchurch and The Escape Artist, Tom hasn't really been in the zeitgeist since Little Britain a decade ago.”
To be fair to David, he was still winning 'most popular Doctor' polls in the quiet years between Who and Broadchurch.
Originally Posted by maninthequeue:
“ it irritates me when my opinion get lumped in and dismissed with teenage fangirls.”
“ it irritates me when my opinion get lumped in and dismissed with teenage fangirls.”
Doesn't it just!
Originally Posted by Face Of Jack:
“
STOP all this bickering!! You are all worse than the frigging Time lords themselves!!
”
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STOP all this bickering!! You are all worse than the frigging Time lords themselves!!
”
Let's hope no one has a Moment!
Originally Posted by Airborae:
“I didn't take offence about the fandom wars comment.”
“I didn't take offence about the fandom wars comment.”
Well, you did say "what an offensive thing to say", so I made the assumption.
Originally Posted by Airborae:
“the last line was just merely a joke and not to be taken seriously. Because I knew that it would always end up in a war between different Doctor fans.”
“the last line was just merely a joke and not to be taken seriously. Because I knew that it would always end up in a war between different Doctor fans.”
Fair enough, a joke is a joke.
I took it more seriously because you said "the Matt Smith fans" rather than some of them. Many of us don't get involved in the arguments about the Doctors. But, you say it was merely a joke and I accept that, apologies for the misunderstanding.
Originally Posted by WelshNige:
“Who has said the poll has any meaning?
The fact remains that a poll of 20,000 people put Tennant top Doctor, it doesn't make him the "best" Doctor, no poll could ever confirm that, but it does indicate that he is the most "popular" Doctor at this moment in time, nothing more, nothing less.”
“Who has said the poll has any meaning?
The fact remains that a poll of 20,000 people put Tennant top Doctor, it doesn't make him the "best" Doctor, no poll could ever confirm that, but it does indicate that he is the most "popular" Doctor at this moment in time, nothing more, nothing less.”
Was that a poll of 20,000 people though? Do you not think that some Tennant fans voted more than once?
I think this thread will go on forever
I don't care what the poll says, I still maintain Tennant had better onscreen chemistry and rapport with Catherine Tate.
Originally Posted by Joe_Zel:
“I don't care what the poll says, I still maintain Tennant had better onscreen chemistry and rapport with Catherine Tate.”
“I don't care what the poll says, I still maintain Tennant had better onscreen chemistry and rapport with Catherine Tate.”
Agreed. The vote wasn't for the partnership though. Maybe the results would be different if we were asked: Which is your favourite incarnation not portrayal?
Originally Posted by Lord Melbury:
“Was that a poll of 20,000 people though? Do you not think that some Tennant fans voted more than once?
I think this thread will go on forever”
“Was that a poll of 20,000 people though? Do you not think that some Tennant fans voted more than once?
I think this thread will go on forever
”
I think it's well known that self-sampled online polls are open to abuse. However, the fact remains that David Tennant is still the most popular Doctor by a significant margin under polls which are sampled more stringently to represent a cross-section of the public.
Originally Posted by be more pacific:
“I think it's well known that self-sampled online polls are open to abuse. However, the fact remains that David Tennant is still the most popular Doctor by a significant margin under polls which are sampled more stringently to represent a cross-section of the public.”
“I think it's well known that self-sampled online polls are open to abuse. However, the fact remains that David Tennant is still the most popular Doctor by a significant margin under polls which are sampled more stringently to represent a cross-section of the public.”
Yes, Tennant comes first - by a massive margin - in pretty much every poll, no matter how each is done. The only thing that changes is whether Matt is second or third (he and Tom Baker seem to swap places from poll to poll).
Whilst online polls like that are open to some jiggery-pokery, I think we just have to accept that Tennant is currently the most popular Doctor.
Originally Posted by Mulett:
“I've said this all along, though. RTD wrote for a big, broad audience. He turned the Doctor into a romantic lead and brought the companions from real-world environments. And like it or not, the show became massively successful as a result.
Moffat is more of a Who traditionalist, making the Doctor a more asexual lead once more and upping the sci-fi content whilst reducing the kitchen-sink drama.
I think Who fans are delighted (as is often evident on this forum) but we're losing the interest of the viewers that RTD got on board, who are not Who-fans so to speak but just enjoyed the new show.
And I think that's partly evidenced by these endless polls and surveys showing Tennant's Doctor is far and away most popular.”
“I've said this all along, though. RTD wrote for a big, broad audience. He turned the Doctor into a romantic lead and brought the companions from real-world environments. And like it or not, the show became massively successful as a result.
Moffat is more of a Who traditionalist, making the Doctor a more asexual lead once more and upping the sci-fi content whilst reducing the kitchen-sink drama.
I think Who fans are delighted (as is often evident on this forum) but we're losing the interest of the viewers that RTD got on board, who are not Who-fans so to speak but just enjoyed the new show.
And I think that's partly evidenced by these endless polls and surveys showing Tennant's Doctor is far and away most popular.”
Moffat made the Doctor more asexual? Moffat who had jokes about the Doctor and S&M and River being a "screamer" in his episodes? Moffat who married the Doctor off? Compared to RTD who had the Doctor and Rose occasionally hold hands?
Originally Posted by SillyBillyGoat:
“Well, you did say "what an offensive thing to say", so I made the assumption.
Fair enough, a joke is a joke.
I took it more seriously because you said "the Matt Smith fans" rather than some of them. Many of us don't get involved in the arguments about the Doctors. But, you say it was merely a joke and I accept that, apologies for the misunderstanding.”
“Well, you did say "what an offensive thing to say", so I made the assumption.
Fair enough, a joke is a joke.
I took it more seriously because you said "the Matt Smith fans" rather than some of them. Many of us don't get involved in the arguments about the Doctors. But, you say it was merely a joke and I accept that, apologies for the misunderstanding.
”
No problem.
The most valid poll for me, at least the one I trust the most is the polls of DWM readers who, as some people prefer, are more likely to have watched more doctors.
In the 2009 pre-Matt Smith Poll of 6700 DWM readers, the results were
David Tennant - 25.64%
Tom Baker - 24.73%
Patrick Troughton - 11.39%
Peter Davison - 9.84%
Jon Pertwee - 9.66%
Christopher Eccleston - 5.71%
William Hartnell - 4.69%
Sylvester McCoy - 3.88%
Colin Baker - 2.87%
Paul McGann - 1.60%
Unfortunately, as a McGann fan I've resigned myself to never see Eight anywhere near the top of a poll, as unfair as that is.
But when the next DWM poll is taken, I think David, Matt and Tom will both be on about 16% each and the order of popularity of the other Doctors will remain the same. I don't know much about these things, but that's my opinion
EDIT: Oh, and I should add, Billie Piper came third in the 'Best Companion' poll, behind Elisabeth Sladen and Catherine Tate.
In the 2009 pre-Matt Smith Poll of 6700 DWM readers, the results were
David Tennant - 25.64%
Tom Baker - 24.73%
Patrick Troughton - 11.39%
Peter Davison - 9.84%
Jon Pertwee - 9.66%
Christopher Eccleston - 5.71%
William Hartnell - 4.69%
Sylvester McCoy - 3.88%
Colin Baker - 2.87%
Paul McGann - 1.60%
Unfortunately, as a McGann fan I've resigned myself to never see Eight anywhere near the top of a poll, as unfair as that is.
But when the next DWM poll is taken, I think David, Matt and Tom will both be on about 16% each and the order of popularity of the other Doctors will remain the same. I don't know much about these things, but that's my opinion
EDIT: Oh, and I should add, Billie Piper came third in the 'Best Companion' poll, behind Elisabeth Sladen and Catherine Tate.
These polls are meaningless anyway, with such a small percentage of even the Who fanbase, let alone the nation, bothering to vote.
It's the same sort of limited poll which would probably place talentless crap like One Direction as the greatest band in history. Not that I'm comparing Tennant to talentless crap of course! I'm not even complaining about the result, Tennant is very popular even with us oldtimer Classic Whovians, however, the fact that 90% of voters picked someone other than the most iconic and many would say definitive Doctor of all time, and 3 of the New Who Doctors are in the top 4 does strongly suggest that the majority of the voters would be from the younger demographic.
It's the same sort of limited poll which would probably place talentless crap like One Direction as the greatest band in history. Not that I'm comparing Tennant to talentless crap of course! I'm not even complaining about the result, Tennant is very popular even with us oldtimer Classic Whovians, however, the fact that 90% of voters picked someone other than the most iconic and many would say definitive Doctor of all time, and 3 of the New Who Doctors are in the top 4 does strongly suggest that the majority of the voters would be from the younger demographic.
Originally Posted by KezM:
“Moffat made the Doctor more asexual? Moffat who had jokes about the Doctor and S&M and River being a "screamer" in his episodes? Moffat who married the Doctor off? Compared to RTD who had the Doctor and Rose occasionally hold hands?”
“Moffat made the Doctor more asexual? Moffat who had jokes about the Doctor and S&M and River being a "screamer" in his episodes? Moffat who married the Doctor off? Compared to RTD who had the Doctor and Rose occasionally hold hands?”
I think occasional comments about alleged off-screen antics (typically delivered in a tongue-in-cheek manner) is very different to an on-going 'will they/won't they' relationship with the main companion.
Originally Posted by Mulett:
“I think occasional comments about alleged off-screen antics (typically delivered in a tongue-in-cheek manner) is very different to an on-going 'will they/won't they' relationship with the main companion.”
“I think occasional comments about alleged off-screen antics (typically delivered in a tongue-in-cheek manner) is very different to an on-going 'will they/won't they' relationship with the main companion.”
Sorry I don't agree that a relationship where they were hesitant to even have the Doctor say he loved Rose equated to being more sexual than a relationship where he gets married actually kisses her on screen and flirts at a level Rose could only dream off,
Originally Posted by Mulett:
“I think occasional comments about alleged off-screen antics (typically delivered in a tongue-in-cheek manner) is very different to an on-going 'will they/won't they' relationship with the main companion.”
“I think occasional comments about alleged off-screen antics (typically delivered in a tongue-in-cheek manner) is very different to an on-going 'will they/won't they' relationship with the main companion.”
Its been said many times before and it bares repeating that yes while Moffat cannot resist slipping a bit of innuendo into his scripts he has written Eleven as much more asexual or at least incompetent when it comes to matters of the heart. He is somewhat hapless. Tennant on the other hand is the closest the show has gone towards having a conventional male romantic lead. Of course he still had his quirks but he was much more that way and written as such. Its why he will always be a bit of a housewife's favourite. I suppose the word I would use is 'dashing' perhaps.
Originally Posted by saladfingers81:
“Its been said many times before and it bares repeating that yes while Moffat cannot resist slipping a bit of innuendo into his scripts he has written Eleven as much more asexual or at least incompetent when it comes to matters of the heart. He is somewhat hapless. Tennant on the other hand is the closest the show has gone towards having a conventional male romantic lead. Of course he still had his quirks but he was much more that way and written as such. Its why he will always be a bit of a housewife's favourite. I suppose the word I would use is 'dashing' perhaps.”
“Its been said many times before and it bares repeating that yes while Moffat cannot resist slipping a bit of innuendo into his scripts he has written Eleven as much more asexual or at least incompetent when it comes to matters of the heart. He is somewhat hapless. Tennant on the other hand is the closest the show has gone towards having a conventional male romantic lead. Of course he still had his quirks but he was much more that way and written as such. Its why he will always be a bit of a housewife's favourite. I suppose the word I would use is 'dashing' perhaps.”
In the 70s, we had Leela - a sexy companion in a leather outfit kept the dad's happy.
In the 80s, we had Peri - a sexy companion in tight fitting tops to keep the dad's happy.
But in the noughties, we had Doctor #10 - a sexy male lead in a tight fitting suit with great hair to keep the mum's happy. And the sisters, by all accounts. . .
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