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Old 16-11-2013, 11:34
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Lady Gaga is at a very interesting point in her career especially with the media. She currently looks like the latest fatality in a long list of pop stars who have overplayed the media game to gain massive instant success but when it comes down to it actually doesn't have the personality or music to keep up the momentum or career longevity. This week has especially highlighted this with what is very good and respectable sales however given the hype and previous sales must be very disappointing. The fans have suddenly gone into overdrive on forums announcing sales don't matter which to a point if you have an extensive career is true but when ur only on your third studio album it's critical that sales should be increasing not spiralling down to such a massive drop.
Britney is a really good example how the media and hype overshadowed her music but she has gradually managed to rebuild her career with some amount of dignity and compassion from fans and general buying public.
Other artists who have suffered from huge success quickly but quickly became a casualty of their own instant success are
Spice Girls all had instant solo careers but quickly diminished.
Belinda Carlisle who was a prime example of overnight worldwide success in the eighties. Just wandering what artists people think have suffered huge media and success in such a short time that it's actually then ended their career.
Please don't start the Madonna, Gaga debate I've just used Gaga as career wise at the moment because she is what appears at a critical point with media hype overload and it will be interesting to see how her career holds up.
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Old 16-11-2013, 11:48
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Britney sustained a career at her level far longer than Gaga and still remains and it was Mental health issues as well as an intrusive media that sent her spiralling don't think it's a fair or correct coparision.

Leona Lewis hyped by everyone and a series of bad diecisions and misfortunes saw her career prematurely hit the skids.
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Old 16-11-2013, 11:59
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TBH a lot of these artists collude with the hype.
IMO Gagas overhype was obv from the beginning.
sometimes it really is better to take things slow.
Pink arrived on the scene about the same time as Britney. Who'd have predicted Pink would have the longevity??
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Old 16-11-2013, 12:33
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TBH a lot of these artists collude with the hype.
IMO Gagas overhype was obv from the beginning.
sometimes it really is better to take things slow.
Pink arrived on the scene about the same time as Britney. Who'd have predicted Pink would have the longevity??
Isn't it interesting how different their careers have been all the way through?



Like in 2003 we had Britney release In the Zone, then Pink had just released Try This.
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Old 16-11-2013, 12:38
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I think Duffy is a prime example of this - one year she had everything; the Brit Awards, Number 1 single and album, then just ONE advert (the pepsi one) ruined it all, and her 2nd album flopped majorly.

I agree that Gaga will be ruined by the media because they expect so much of her now, and I think Rihanna could be the following victim. The only one of the major female artists who I think has the media just about right around the world is Taylor Swift
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Old 16-11-2013, 12:43
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Gaga is culpable in her decline. To make a series of arrogant pronunciation about how much of an "artist" you are, call yr music "reverse Warholian" then come out with insipid songs like Applause.
Ultimately you can hype all you want,its down to the music in the end.
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Old 16-11-2013, 12:50
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Christina Aguilera was hailed as the greatest talent of her generation but down to partly her own arrogance she blew it. After Stripped she was the biggest popstar in the world but taking too long between albums her fanbase disappeared and the many people she had upset in her early years all couldn't wait to stick the knife in. There is that old saying. Be nice on the way up as they will meet you on the way down. I love Christina but that's how this went down for her. Her reputation is well high lighted.

Duffy and Leona are good examples of press overhype. Leona has also been a victim of very poor management.

It remains to be seen what will become of Gaga but no one can deny her fan base is declining at a rate none of us saw coming. I always thought she would be a one decade artist like Prince and Cyndi Lauper but the speed at which her downfall is happening was not something I expected.
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Old 16-11-2013, 13:04
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Britney sustained a career at her level far longer than Gaga and still remains and it was Mental health issues as well as an intrusive media that sent her spiralling don't think it's a fair or correct coparision.

Leona Lewis hyped by everyone and a series of bad diecisions and misfortunes saw her career prematurely hit the skids.
I wasn't comparing them as artists I was merely stating Britney Spears was an example how the media and hype overshadowed her career prior to her breakdown. For the months prior the media reported every single movement she made not helped by a management company that constantly tipped of the media whilst this made huge headlines Britney the artist was forgotten and it was all about her antics. The hype that then followed the relaunch of gimme more showed how an artist in the media went from favour of the month to being slated on everything she did. This had a massive impact on her career and has taken a long time to rebuild.
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Old 16-11-2013, 13:08
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Duffy decided to sack her own manager after her first album, so she has herself to blame.
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Old 16-11-2013, 13:09
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Christina Aguilera was hailed as the greatest talent of her generation but down to partly her own arrogance she blew it. After Stripped she was the biggest popstar in the world but taking too long between albums her fanbase disappeared and the many people she had upset in her early years all couldn't wait to stick the knife in. There is that old saying. Be nice on the way up as they will meet you on the way down. I love Christina but that's how this went down for her. Her reputation is well high lighted.

Duffy and Leona are good examples of press overhype. Leona has also been a victim of very poor management.

It remains to be seen what will become of Gaga but no one can deny her fan base is declining at a rate none of us saw coming. I always thought she would be a one decade artist like Prince and Cyndi Lauper but the speed at which her downfall is happening was not something I expected.
If you compare Gaga to the previous generation she is much more like Prince than Madonna or MJ. Im no Britney fan but I respect her for keeping going despite a huge knock back.
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Old 16-11-2013, 14:02
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Tulisa is a good example of this. She tried to play the game and ended up being chewed up and spat out.
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Old 16-11-2013, 14:05
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Christina Aguilera was hailed as the greatest talent of her generation but down to partly her own arrogance she blew it. After Stripped she was the biggest popstar in the world but taking too long between albums her fanbase disappeared and the many people she had upset in her early years all couldn't wait to stick the knife in. There is that old saying. Be nice on the way up as they will meet you on the way down. I love Christina but that's how this went down for her. Her reputation is well high lighted.
She was hailed as the greatest talent of her generation because she is. Plain and simple. She never got any unecessary hype, quite the opposite, she was always underestimated even in her prime. Even radio snubbed her. 'Beautiful' was the only top 10 hit of the album in the US and it even missed #1 although it's undisputedly a pop classic.

The reason behind her temporary demise from 2008 to 2012 is negative media hype, which exagerrated her bad attitude as a part of a general sabotage, which has been hinted many times recently, especially by Perez Hilton. Other reasons are extended breaks and horrible single choices. But if she was nothing but hype, she would have disappeared after 'Bionic'. The fact that she's still around with hit features, a hit show, industry honors and awards and a contract with a major label shows that she's a force. Not only didn't she rely on positive hype but she managed to overcome tons of negativity. Not many celebs can say that about themselves.
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Old 16-11-2013, 15:43
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She was hailed as the greatest talent of her generation because she is. Plain and simple. She never got any unecessary hype, quite the opposite, she was always underestimated even in her prime. Even radio snubbed her. 'Beautiful' was the only top 10 hit of the album in the US and it even missed #1 although it's undisputedly a pop classic.

The reason behind her temporary demise from 2008 to 2012 is negative media hype, which exagerrated her bad attitude as a part of a general sabotage, which has been hinted many times recently, especially by Perez Hilton. Other reasons are extended breaks and horrible single choices. But if she was nothing but hype, she would have disappeared after 'Bionic'. The fact that she's still around with hit features, a hit show, industry honors and awards and a contract with a major label shows that she's a force. Not only didn't she rely on positive hype but she managed to overcome tons of negativity. Not many celebs can say that about themselves.

Christina Aguilera isn't a force at all, she hasn't been one for years. The Voice isn't a hit show because of her, it's a hit because it's a crappy talent show with a built-in gullible audience. Why on earth do you think Christina even agreed to be a judge on it in the first place? She needed the career boost, not that it helped her much in regards to the huge flop that was Lotus (that thing still hasn't even gone Gold). Moves Like Jagger wasn't a hit because she sings on it for all of ten seconds it was a hit because of Maroon 5, she just piggy-backed her way on to it and her fans peed themselves with excitement because it brought her much-needed, albeit brief, press coverage. By the way, what did her tiny part on MLJ even do for any of the singles released from Lotus? Nothing. Most people just don't care about her anymore. Her last memorable and major solo hit (not as a featured artist) was years ago. As for winning awards, when was the last time she actually won any major awards like a Grammy or a Brit or a Billboard Award? Years ago. A lot of people can make big comebacks in the music world but I highly doubt Christina Aguilera will be one of them. She's thoroughly unlikeable with a bad attitude that puts people off. A good voice will only take someone so far. She's about as relevant nowadays as Janet Jackson.
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Old 16-11-2013, 15:50
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Didn't Bo Selecta kill off Craig David?
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Old 21-11-2013, 20:10
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Didn't Bo Selecta kill off Craig David?
No moving from good RnB to slow crooning pop songs killed Craig David's career his songs became akin to Westlife's, it was no longer cool to like his music.
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Old 21-11-2013, 20:26
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No moving from good RnB to slow crooning pop songs killed Craig David's career his songs became akin to Westlife's, it was no longer cool to like his music.
I disagree. Well, maybe that was part of it, but I think Bo Selecta did more damage to his image, and made him a laughing stock with some people.

I do think it was a bit harsh to be honest. Obviously every celebrity gets made fun of once in a while in a TV show or whatever, but with Craig David's situation it was just on, and on, and on. There's really nothing you can do when that happens to you.

He stopped with the UK garage songs, because that genre's commercial success plummeted shortly after he got famous, so he was left with R&B and pop to do. Although he did release a UK garage sounding song in 2008 with Rita Ora and Tinchy Stryder, which could've been bigger since Heartbroken and What's It Gonna Be had just been big hits, and Tinchy Stryder was rising to the mainstream, but I guess he wasn't able to get notable airplay by that point anymore.

His career isn't quite over though. He's a DJ for Capital Xtra I think.

Duffy decided to sack her own manager after her first album, so she has herself to blame.
Similar applies to Alexandra Burke I suppose. She decided to move record labels, she probably should've stayed on her original one.

Duffy also had that Coca Cola advert, and Alexandra had her X Factor stint, which can't have helped their reputations.
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Old 21-11-2013, 20:27
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I wonder will Beyoncé eventually suffer from her media hype.

For an artist who hasn't released a new album in quite a while, she is never ever far from the spotlight.

It can be rather eye-opening when you consider her last US number 1 was with Single Ladies in 2008! And they accuse Gaga of living off former glories teehee!!!

Or maybe she has built up a reservoir of likability, credibility and 'legend' over her many (15ish?) years in the industry that she can maintain her celebrity without necessarily being number 1 commercially.

Interesting topic/thread.
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Old 21-11-2013, 20:30
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Duffy decided to sack her own manager after her first album, so she has herself to blame.


IIRC she also did a far more foolish thing - dropped Bernard Butler from the second album and not only continued with the duck like vibrato but actually highlighted it further . The rest is rather embarrassing history.
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Old 21-11-2013, 20:33
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I disagree. Well, maybe that was part of it, but I think Bo Selecta did more damage to his image, and made him a laughing stock with some people.

I do think it was a bit harsh to be honest. Obviously every celebrity gets made fun of once in a while in a TV show or whatever, but with Craig David's situation it was just on, and on, and on. There's really nothing you can do when that happens to you.

He stopped with the UK garage songs, because that genre's commercial success plummeted shortly after he got famous, so he was left with R&B and pop to do. Although he did release a UK garage sounding song in 2008 with Rita Ora and Tinchy Stryder, which could've been bigger since Heartbroken and What's It Gonna Be had just been big hits, and Tinchy Stryder was rising to the mainstream, but I guess he wasn't able to get notable airplay by that point anymore.

His career isn't quite over though. He's a DJ for Capital Xtra I think.



Similar applies to Alexandra Burke I suppose. She decided to move record labels, she probably should've stayed on her original one.

Duffy also had that Coca Cola advert, and Alexandra had her X Factor stint, which can't have helped their reputations.

Yea that is very true, he just isn't the flavour anymore he hasn't managed to progress with his music since 2006 really. It's a shame I used to have his pictures on my wall but grew disinterested when he started producing that type of music exclusively. There was always elements of it but not as excessive.

I know that's when EDM started to become the thing, but sometimes you have to go with the current trend to keep your career going. Or it will flounder and people will forget about you.
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Old 21-11-2013, 20:35
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Didn't Bo Selecta kill off Craig David?
Craig David - Bo' Selecta Ruined My Life


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpOA8AMZG8M

Warning: NSFW and lots of rude words but ^&^%^%$ funny!
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Old 21-11-2013, 21:34
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On a lesser note i would say Little Boots who was hailed as the next Kylie...apart from them both being female i fail to see the similarities
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Old 21-11-2013, 21:40
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IIRC she also did a far more foolish thing - dropped Bernard Butler from the second album and not only continued with the duck like vibrato but actually highlighted it further . The rest is rather embarrassing history.
Yep, she said that she wanted to become more "Mariah Carey"....... nail #1 in the coffin! As Smash Hits used to say in the 80s, "the dumper beckons"
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Old 21-11-2013, 23:20
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Joss Stone and the Brits girl was ripped to shreds and never recovered a shame as the album that followed that event was her best and a damn good one too.
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Old 21-11-2013, 23:40
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I am intrigued that all the careers (except one) mentioned on this thread which have supposedly been destroyed by negative media hype are all careers of female artists. Is that a trend? Media imbalance being the common thread?
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Old 21-11-2013, 23:52
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I am intrigued that all the careers (except one) mentioned on this thread which have supposedly been destroyed by negative media hype are all careers of female artists. Is that a trend? Media imbalance being the common thread?
Yes there Definatly appears to be an imbalance but I will just add a few male ones:

Elton John in the eighties suffered a huge media backlash after The Sun printed stories about him apparently with rent boys. It took Elton a good 10 years to recover following the backlash.

The Band Bros had huge media support and their career initially soared but The Sun basically said we put them were they are and we can destroy them which they successfully did. The band never recovered and none really had much of a successful solo career.
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