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You know what I hate about the yurts the most? How bohemian they always are. I get the idea behind it, and yet I still feel that they could do with some coordination/ tasteful decor.
I liked that breakfast selection. And that you cook it yourself. But then these days I much prefer self-catering places. I loved seeing Lynne lose. She is a nasty,nasty woman. Absolutely vile. And how rude was she to that lady? I also hate how they are marking depending on what comments they received. And her attitude to John is so nasty too. You would think he burnt their place down to get such treatment. Slug traile on the walls? YOU ARE CAMPING OUTSIDE!!! Unless you are planning on licking the damn walls, they do not matter! |
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A very high proportion of the excellent reviews are made by people who've only ever written the one review. When I take from what someone's written I tend to look at where else they've stayed and how they write etc. Just saying.
I was struck by this person's experience As for John's other Trip Advisor reviews, page 1 specifically. Whilst they may well in fact all be 100% genuine, (raises eyebrows), I find it very suspicious that most of those glowing reviews on the first page are all very recent, including four 5 star one's within the last week, coincidentally of course just prior to broadcast. Well, fancy that! And as you point out SolarSail, (good detective work btw! ), a large number from people who have only ever submitted one review on TA. I think there's something distinctly fishy going on there. I still puzzle at times over the prices some are required to say they charge. I just put in dates for John's place for next week. You can get a room for £60 on Wednesday or £73 for Friday or Saturday. Also tried mid July, still only £73. Miles off the £120 (I think it was), quoted on the programme. |
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Can't get over the fact that they didn't inform the guests about cooking their own breakfast until the actual event arrived.
I think today's hosts acquitted themselves and their product very well. None of us would be interested in staying in a luxurious tent with shared (and fairly basic, by the look of them) bathroom facilities but there is clearly a market that yurts (and rustic cabins, etc) appeal to. On that basis, they've done (so far ) what they set out to do: positive advertising for the business on national tele. The cooking facilities and breakfast spread looked good - and I'd rather cook my own than have John paw through a side of smoked salmon in order to deliver me a sliver on a bit of cheese. The prices seemed to be on the high side but maintaining a yurt to a standard is probably more time-consuming than managing a room in a building. And so often the pricing on 4iaB seems to make no sense compared to the properties websites. E2a: as Torch has just pointed out with reference to John's gaff. |
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As you say Torch, it could all be perfectly accurate, who are we to say. It's just that, you know, sometimes spurious negative reviews are posted and sometimes, well, it's just a bit strange how glowing reviews all come at once and aren't from seasoned reviewers. It's a system reliant on anonymous feedback and so you have to take what you can from it and make your own mind up.
I thought the negative review I picked out seemed like one I might have written, praising the good things, not looking for small things to moan about, but pointing out problems that I wasn't happy about. I also look at how owners or managers respond and think you can tell a lot from that too. Lynne and Simon's replies right some wrongs I imagine, but have a bit of an edgy tone to them that I don't warm to even when it seems they may have been maligned. My favourite ever response was some place that I now forget, not from 3 or 4 in a Bed, where a random rant was very politely dealt with and then (paraphrasing) 'I can't help but feel that the unexpected arrival of a very irate lady and the ensuing confrontation may have had a very negative on this couple's weekend break away' Re cost and pricing, I'm sure I've read before that contestants are invited to set their own rates for the programme and some have later been accused of reducing their rate in order to seem better value. Maybe John set his rate for when he's arrived at the finished product and the Ikea kids' wardrobes have been replaced
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I have either been told by someone who was approached to appear or read somewhere that the prices quoted on the show must be the peak price available from the website and that if they do low season or special offers such as stay 3 nights get a 4th free, an average or otherwise lower price cannot be used.
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Has to be a production decision - I haven't checked but I expect "cook your own" is clearly stated on their website.
The cooking facilities and breakfast spread looked good Amanda and Peter missed a trick there though because it's usually announced to the 4 in a Bedders 'Your room rate is X and that includes xyz' and we didn't get that tonight. To me, no matter how comfortable or sophisticated a yurt is, it's still camping and so I'd expect to cook my own and not necessarily be provided with a hamper, but again, you'd know in advance. I wasn't too keen on tonight's glamping because I didn't think the facilities were good enough for the money and it wasn't quite comfortable or glamorous enough and at £120 a night, if it was that cold, the least they could've done is have the log burner started. The Wye Valley and wider area can be very bleak so it's no good waiting until you've already got cold to get it going. The bathroom facilities looked poor, I wouldn't have fancied using them and I'm going to remember John's dismay about 'Queuing for Pooing' longer than I care to ![]() The slug wouldn't have got a mention. Meh! you're in the great outdoors, the wildlife isn't subject to terms, conditions and exclusion zones. The quality of the breakfast pack was commented on though and there seemed a good selection and quantity, that was probably the biggest plus point for me. I'm getting more and more and more tired of the absolutely pointless activities and the lack of discussion about the good and bad points that could be addressed for the accommodation. If the contestants were more objective and less on a mission to point score, then it'd work so much better. |
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As you say Torch, it could all be perfectly accurate, who are we to say. It's just that, you know, sometimes spurious negative reviews are posted and sometimes, well, it's just a bit strange how glowing reviews all come at once and aren't from seasoned reviewers. It's a system reliant on anonymous feedback and so you have to take what you can from it and make your own mind up.
I thought the negative review I picked out seemed like one I might have written, praising the good things, not looking for small things to moan about, but pointing out problems that I wasn't happy about. I also look at how owners or managers respond and think you can tell a lot from that too. Lynne and Simon's replies right some wrongs I imagine, but have a bit of an edgy tone to them that I don't warm to even when it seems they may have been maligned. My favourite ever response was some place that I now forget, not from 3 or 4 in a Bed, where a random rant was very politely dealt with and then (paraphrasing) 'I can't help but feel that the unexpected arrival of a very irate lady and the ensuing confrontation may have had a very negative on this couple's weekend break away' Re cost and pricing, I'm sure I've read before that contestants are invited to set their own rates for the programme and some have later been accused of reducing their rate in order to seem better value. Maybe John set his rate for when he's arrived at the finished product and the Ikea kids' wardrobes have been replaced ![]() Maybe be he told them rates that in an ideal world (and his dreams!), people would be paying him for what he offers. Very confusing. Quote:
I have either been told by someone who was approached to appear or read somewhere that the prices quoted on the show must be the peak price available from the website and that if they do low season or special offers such as stay 3 nights get a 4th free, an average or otherwise lower price cannot be used.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...el-4-show.html
This is a bit extreme if you don't like people on the show, on the other hand it may have nothing to do with it. |
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Yurts are really warm if you light the log burner. That's all John needed to do if he was cold. I love yurt life but they're always so expensive so I just go occasionally with a big group of friends to a no frills yurt. I'd live in one if I could
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Oh I know Liz - i moved down to London in 84 after 9 years in Liverpool, and am well aware that the area where Elegant House is only had one way to go (up from where it was) lots of my friends lived in the Princes Road/ Avenue area and the girls never lasted more than a year there despite the convenience as they hated being virtual prisoners in their own homes after dark because of the muggings and kerbcrawlers. As someone in the carnatic halls - we were warned not to walk through Seffie/ Princes park unless we were in a group as it was considered dangerous - even in daylight for a lone female//////
those of us who elected to live elsewhere didn't visit often as we needed to borrow one of the lads to wait with us at the bus stop to discourage unwanted attention.... John's place reminded me very much of the house where some friends lived - same type of cheap naff furniture and huge empty rooms That said - you could see that those houses were realy nice in their heyday - and if you watch the Onedin line - you hear them talking about buying new houses in princes road...... having said that I quite like him. The first woman I can on dislike intensely and wonder how on earth characters like her think they can attract customers with their attitude and to make personal snide remarks about like eating more than working is just plain rude. |
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This is going to be yet another couple who will be seeing their takings reduce following the 4iab stint. Deservedly too.
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That was an interesting read. And from what we saw and read on here, it seemed quite a honest, well balanced review.
As for John's other Trip Advisor reviews, page 1 specifically. Whilst they may well in fact all be 100% genuine, (raises eyebrows), I find it very suspicious that most of those glowing reviews on the first page are all very recent, including four 5 star one's within the last week, coincidentally of course just prior to broadcast. Well, fancy that! And as you point out SolarSail, (good detective work btw! ), a large number from people who have only ever submitted one review on TA. I think there's something distinctly fishy going on there. I still puzzle at times over the prices some are required to say they charge. I just put in dates for John's place for next week. You can get a room for £60 on Wednesday or £73 for Friday or Saturday. Also tried mid July, still only £73. Miles off the £120 (I think it was), quoted on the programme. It was clean, I think he may have been winding that horrible women up to be honest with the breakfast, i really do......i think he did it on purpose......still waters and all that lol...i dont think he is a guy to be trifled with....... |
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Yurts are really warm if you light the log burner. That's all John needed to do if he was cold. I love yurt life but they're always so expensive so I just go occasionally with a big group of friends to a no frills yurt. I'd live in one if I could
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It puts me off if the owner of the accommodation offered would not stay in their product themselves,so to hear Amanda say that she likes to look out and finds yurts claustrophobic irritated me. I think it's a cheek to expect £120 for camping, shared facilities, cook your own brekkie,which is a specific style of holiday, if you're not going have enthusiasm in the product you're offering.On yer bike and take yer yurt with you.
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...to hear Amanda say that she likes to look out and finds yurts claustrophobic irritated me.
I wouldn't be bothered about the slugs and snails (though the August influx of Very Large Spiders would be... a trial... ) but if you are in a beautiful, countryside location, I want to be able to see it, even when I'm not outside. John is (mildly, not greatly) interesting. Last night, from a few comments, I sensed he's on a bit of a windup mission and not taking it very seriously. But then that's a dodgey game because how he comes across is relevant to how his property is perceived by viewers. As we've all said (and may be watching this week) a great property can fail with nasty, bitchy or bonkers owners. So why bother applying if you plan to take the pee? Perhaps he's looking for another career in reality tv?
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I was thinking- why don't yurt owners offer a private bathroom for each yurt? Like have them in a communal area, but each yurt has its own dedicated bathroom/ shower room. They shouldn't take too much space and would avoid the whole "Queuing for the pooing" thing. And no foreign smells either *boak*.
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She's right, though. I think it's why they don't appeal to me - that and a trek across a field to the loo and communal showers.
I wouldn't be bothered about the slugs and snails (though the August influx of Very Large Spiders would be... a trial... ) but if you are in a beautiful, countryside location, I want to be able to see it, even when I'm not outside. John is (mildly, not greatly) interesting. Last night, from a few comments, I sensed he's on a bit of a windup mission and not taking it very seriously. But then that's a dodgey game because how he comes across is relevant to how his property is perceived by viewers. As we've all said (and may be watching this week) a great property can fail with nasty, bitchy or bonkers owners. So why bother applying if you plan to take the pee? Perhaps he's looking for another career in reality tv?It does make you wonder, the guy with the filthy feet in Three In a Bad the other week certainly was. I think John has a good sense of fun but not a charming enough personality to be a good wind-up-merchant. I like the fact that he has upset Queen Lynne, I bet she was trying to hide her bitchy side but John's comments pushed her over the edge
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It does make you wonder, the guy with the filthy feet in Three In a Bad the other week certainly was. I think John has a good sense of fun but not a charming enough personality to be a good wind-up-merchant. I like the fact that he has upset Queen Lynne, I bet she was trying to hide her bitchy side but John's comments pushed her over the edge
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She's right, though. I think it's why they don't appeal to me - that and a trek across a field to the loo and communal showers.
I wouldn't be bothered about the slugs and snails (though the August influx of Very Large Spiders would be... a trial... ) but if you are in a beautiful, countryside location, I want to be able to see it, even when I'm not outside. John is (mildly, not greatly) interesting. Last night, from a few comments, I sensed he's on a bit of a windup mission and not taking it very seriously. But then that's a dodgey game because how he comes across is relevant to how his property is perceived by viewers. As we've all said (and may be watching this week) a great property can fail with nasty, bitchy or bonkers owners. So why bother applying if you plan to take the pee? Perhaps he's looking for another career in reality tv?The trouble with the series is we only see a tiny proportion of it so its really hard to work out some of the people. I really do think John is winding them up and doesnt care much to be honest. Perhaps off camera there were words said, and it got to him, we dont know do we. I thought his comments on that womens place was ok, and she got upset as he wouldnt stay again, well why should she be upset, not everyone wants to stay in those fancy frilly type places...isnt that the point of the show and I note no one wanted to stay again in the Yurts but the owners were really good about the comments. When i go away all i want is sensible rates, a clean room, an ensuite, a nice comfy bed, not overheated room, some nescafe, a telly and some cereal for my breakie and I am happy lol..... I am not into frilly rooms, loads of cushions and lots of silly ornaments. I am easily pleased lol...... |
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Wow what a big house.
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Wow what a big house.
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Looks lovely place tonight
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Indeed, I was just wondering how much is that worth?
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And as you point out SolarSail, (good detective work btw!
), a large number from people who have only ever submitted one review on TA. I think there's something distinctly fishy going on there.
