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Old 16-11-2013, 17:56
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I've just happened upon a boy band, um JLF? singing on CIN. The lyrics were "Do you feel what I feel" to a tune that I recognise from a christmas song "Do you see what I see?"

Is this allowed or is it commonplace?
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Old 16-11-2013, 18:25
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JLF lol

i thought you were allowed to sample... as long as you get permission.
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Old 16-11-2013, 19:03
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I know all about this. I can name a few songs
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Old 18-11-2013, 11:21
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"Love Will Save The Day" by Boyzone and "We Own The Night" by The Wanted sounds a lot like "Some Nights" by Fun. You can sing the chorus to that song over both easily.

Is that what modern music is - copy and paste jobs?
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Old 18-11-2013, 12:13
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Plagiarism has gone on for decades, "but you can get away with it if you've a good lawyer."

Someone tell me there would have been this,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfYIj1lJt8k

If there wasn't already this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rinz9Avvq6A
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Old 18-11-2013, 12:16
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Gotta Give It Up > Blurred Lines
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Old 18-11-2013, 13:00
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What a classic tune from Adam and the Ants: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9p__WmyAE3g

However, he didn't get permission from Rolf Harris to nick his tune, and rather wisely settled out of court: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvzobDENcF0
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Old 18-11-2013, 13:00
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I've been researching the new copyright laws this weekend. This is going to be interesting ...

the song was written in 1962 by Noel Regny and Gloria Shayne Baker (and probably best known as recorded by Bing Crosby). When recorded, it was out of copyright -as that lasted 50 years from first performance, so copyright expired in 2012.

However ... the law changed from 01.11 this year (to bring us in line with an EU Directive from 2011). In theory music is now in copyright for 70 years. It's long been a rule of thumb that laws are not passed retroactively, so in theory you can't be prosecuted for a copyright issue that didn't exist before 01.11.2013.
And the Government han't explained how they are going to deal with the issue of all the material that went out of copyright between 01.11.1993 and 31.10.2013 that would have been covered by the law if it had existed then (as in this case).
They're having a 'consultation period' on how to implement, which could take years. And they admit the Courts will end up deciding most of it.

So as it stands, JLS didn't break any copyright laws when they recorded the song. But we don't know if they may have done retrospectively until someone gets their act together on exactly what the new law means and how it's applied.

Oh, and there's also the difficulty of whether it's a copy or a reasonable use of part of a song, which also isn't covered properly in the law and will have to be decided through Court decision.

In theory, this could be the first test case of an ill-thought out piece of legislation designed to cover the problems of the old, totally useless in modern times, copyright laws. As if that's going to happen.

Don't hold your breath - just enjoy what's a good Christmas record.
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Old 18-11-2013, 13:03
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Plagiarism has gone on for decades, "but you can get away with it if you've a good lawyer."

Someone tell me there would have been this,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfYIj1lJt8k

If there wasn't already this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rinz9Avvq6A
George Harrison was successfully sued for plagiarism regarding My Sweet Lord. I actually like both songs.
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Old 18-11-2013, 14:07
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I have said this on other threads (quoting Brian Eno who really said it first) but technology is as likely to bring about the retardation of developments in pop music as it is to open up possibilities. Samplers could be used to create new forms of cut up music and there are good examples of this but more often it has led to lethargy in creativity.
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Old 18-11-2013, 16:06
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George Harrison was successfully sued for plagiarism regarding My Sweet Lord. I actually like both songs.
Yes, but it didn't cost him as much as it should, as it all got messy and protracted.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Sweet_Lord
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Old 18-11-2013, 17:41
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Dum de dum (not a reference to anything previously recorded)
De der
post #8 people ....
(sigh)
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Old 18-11-2013, 18:12
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Yes, but it didn't cost him as much as it should, as it all got messy and protracted.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Sweet_Lord
I can always rely on the superior detective skills of Philip Marlowe to keep me right.
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Old 18-11-2013, 18:19
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If Wikipedia is accurate the song is credited to Gloria Shayne Baker, Tebey, Julian Bunetta, Noël Regney, John Ryan so the current version acknowledges the rights of original writers.
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Old 18-11-2013, 18:46
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If Wikipedia is accurate the song is credited to Gloria Shayne Baker, Tebey, Julian Bunetta, Noël Regney, John Ryan so the current version acknowledges the rights of original writers.
Crediting something to somebody doesn't mean they are due copyright.fees.
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Old 18-11-2013, 20:16
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David Guetta - When Love Takes Over copies Coldplay - Clocks
Kesha - Die Young - Flo Rida - Good Feeling
One Direction - Best Song Ever. - The Who - Baba O' Reilly
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Old 18-11-2013, 20:48
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'This is war' by avenged sevenfold sounds nothing like 'sad but true' by Metallica, nothing at all.
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Old 19-11-2013, 09:34
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Plagiarism has gone on for decades, "but you can get away with it if you've a good lawyer."

Someone tell me there would have been this,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfYIj1lJt8k

If there wasn't already this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rinz9Avvq6A
Ironically George admitted that what he was actually copying was this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfGDvDGE7zk
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Old 19-11-2013, 11:26
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Ironically George admitted that what he was actually copying was this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfGDvDGE7zk
Didn't a judge say "he'd only copied it subconsciously?"

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Old 19-11-2013, 12:19
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You guys do realize the JLS song came out like 2 years ago?

Also, it uses a melody and lyrics from an incredibly famous song, and it's very prominent in the song too. It's obviously intentional and legal. They're not trying to hide it.

They originally released the song around December 2011 time (where it became a top 20 hit). The whole reason they promote it near Christmas (in 2011, and again now) is because of the original version of the song being a Christmas song.
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Old 19-11-2013, 12:57
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Merry Christmas!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_3UkmUhHOs
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Old 19-11-2013, 23:05
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there's a song on cliff's wired for sound album called young love written by alan tarney and a few years later david Cassidy did a song called last kiss which was the same melody also girls aloud life got cold rip off oasis wonderwall.
think it's really unfair on the original writers.
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Old 19-11-2013, 23:24
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There's well documented plagiarism.... Look at pixie lott vs red hot chillis.
Even Coldplay were involved in a copyright thing a few years ago.
Beady eyes the roller versus insta karma!
Also miles Kane used the music from a 60's track back in the day for a record off his first album
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Old 19-11-2013, 23:52
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My favourite website is Who Sampled where you can search by artist or song to see what's been sampled where.

http://www.whosampled.com

I could spend hours on there
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Old 20-11-2013, 08:31
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Even Coldplay were involved in a copyright thing a few years ago.
There's a good discussion of that one here.

The point is made that (to simplify it somewhat) it's only copyright infringement if your song is substantially similar to another song which you have heard. So it could have been the case that Coldplay had never listened to Joe Satriani in their lives - many people haven't - but still came up with a similar melody to his.

On the other hand, with sampling you couldn't claim never to have heard a song because you'd have to hear the song to sample it.
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