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Sunf

17-11-2013

Originally Posted by -Sid-:
“I can see where Rhumba's coming from.

I found Chelsee naturally very sweet and charming and endearing. There was an innocence about her that felt genuine.

Sometimes I feel like Abbey tries a bit too hard to be those things because she's realised from experience that it's an effective way to come across on reality tv. It's as if she's developed a persona that she slips into effortlessly and specifically for shows like this.

I think she's very smart, and there's a steeliness there - nothing really wrong with those qualities. But own them like say, Susanna does, don't pretend to be something else. I'm just not buying the whole cutesy thing.

I totally respect that other people view Abbey differently though. And I think she's a good dancer and that she and Aljaz make a strong team. But personality-wise I'm not a fan. Sorry.”

I really wanted to point out that watching her I don't think she is as comfortable in he own skin as people think, Chelsea took exactly the same stick as Abi Abbey... I stuck up for her last year when peeps savaged her for the fake lips n boobs, those things don't define someone do they

Rhumbatugger

17-11-2013

Originally Posted by Sunf:
“I really wanted to point out that watching her I don't think she is as comfortable in he own skin as people think, Chelsea took exactly the same stick as Abi Abbey... I stuck up for her last year when peeps savaged her for the fake lips n boobs, those things don't define someone do they”

Chelsea was VERY young, Abbey is pushing thirty.

Chelsea was genuinely an ingenue, had a job and was discovering herself.

They are NOT the same.

I loved Chelsea.

SuzieQ12

17-11-2013

Originally Posted by Sunf:
“Looking at a few sites especially the BBC board which I get banned from quite often,I sometimes wonder if people can actually see past their own nose. At the beginning of the show I may have had a preconceived notion that Abi might not be much more then a wag/model with nothing about her. I do try where I can not to prejudge. Sometimes though we can not help it.

After the last few weeks and seeing her reactions , I have come to the conclusion that even though she must get told how beautiful she is and so on, this girl can NOT take a compliment. It doesn't come natural to her at all. She isn't aloof ,doesn't come across like she better then everyone else, her embarrassment at good scores comes across so blatantly why do people not see this? Yes she flicks her hair, same as some have a nervous tell, stuttering, twitching... and so on.

Find my self increasingly wanting to go off on one at some of the nasty personal things people say about her. last night been the worst after her high scores (maybe she was over scored) but so were most of the other contestants, its Blackpool and every strictly fan knows that's what happens at Blackpool, No surprise there.

Am I the only who thinks she's actually a really good dancer? lol”

I agree entirely. I find myself liking her a hell of a lot more than I thought I would. I can't agree with those who believe it is all an act; I think she's a sweet girl who clearly gets nervous and flustered.

Sunf

17-11-2013

Originally Posted by Rhumbatugger:
“Chelsea was VERY young, Abbey is pushing thirty.

Chelsea was genuinely an ingenue, had a job and was discovering herself.

They are NOT the same.

I loved Chelsea.”

Of course they are not the same, who ever said they were?

Chantal

17-11-2013

Originally Posted by Scarlett Berry:
“Undeniably beautiful girl ( the cosmetically enhanced mouth not so much). Abbey is a wonderful dancer, but I truly hate the way she flicks her hair and pouts and seems so vain. I don't dislike her but wish she would dispense with those affectations. Sadly, it's a major turn off for me.”

SB, you talk about her pout as if she made it up! Truth is, she has got slightly goofy teeth and that pushes her mouth out and it is nothing to be ashamed of! I was amazed when Bruno compared her pout to Brigitte Bardot - but it is true! She is remarkably like this most famous French icon - not that we chauvinistic English would care - unlike France, we don't give a damn about visual beauty :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuxE2e-tsfg

Rhumbatugger

17-11-2013

Originally Posted by Sunf:
“Of course they are not the same, who ever said they were?”

Don't COMPARE them then.

CONTRAST, is important.

Sunf

17-11-2013

Originally Posted by Rhumbatugger:
“Don't COMPARE them then.

CONTRAST, is important.”

You keep quoting me but yet you do not read what I write

"they took the same stick" is what I said.
That was based on looks and reaction. Chelsea finding her self, she was a beautiful girl but people chose to misunderstand her. chose to hate her because they didn't want to know who she was and simply didn't care to look.

A little like reading a post and not bothering to register it

Julie_Evans

17-11-2013

Originally Posted by Rhumbatugger:
“Chelsea was VERY young, Abbey is pushing thirty.

Chelsea was genuinely an ingenue, had a job and was discovering herself.

They are NOT the same.

I loved Chelsea.”

Abbey is 27 and is two years younger than Natalie. There is only two years between Abbey and Chelsee.

Julie_Evans

17-11-2013

Originally Posted by Rhumbatugger:
“Abbey is a seasoned reality TV performer.

She is a footballer's wife with a colourful history (don't really care) and she has been around the block.

She is also a model and has moved in the world for a LONG time.

She is NOT, what she tries to 'project' - little oooh dear innocent, ordinary me.'

She's not.

She actually CAN'T be. She's not Chelsea, she was really young and had an ACTUAL job too.

Abbey is giving the 'fifteen year ole lovely gal, salt of the earth ordinary but you know, pretty LOVES me baby' shtick.

And it is shtick.

She's more than that - she's an intelligent and seasoned tv person and persona.

I find her 'shtick' deeply, fundamentally annoying and rather fake.

It's part of her, the bit she WANTS you see. It ain't the whole truth though.

And the FACT that she puts across the 'ooooh I'm really real me, sweet, flicky, me baby, oooh.' actually makes me puke a bit.

And I am not fooled. I'd respect her a hell of a lot more if she didn't downgrade herself as a woman for more Reality TV APPEAL.

Personally.

She's a good dancer though - good, not great I'm afraid, seriously.”

Good grief, you go to such trouble to criticise Abbey

Rhumbatugger

17-11-2013

Originally Posted by Sunf:
“You keep quoting me but yet you do not read what I write

"they took the same stick" is what I said.
That was based on looks and reaction. Chelsea finding her self, she was a beautiful girl but people chose to misunderstand her. chose to hate her because they didn't want to know who she was and simply didn't care to look.

A little like reading a post and not bothering to register it”

I understood that about a young girl.

I don't think the same crit about people's reaction to Abbey, are the same, or weigh the same or are the same.

And you are comparing Abbey with Chelsee as getting the SAME sort of crit.

And you have READ my posts presumably, and you were saying people's reactions were the SAME?

Or that my reaction was the SAME?

Please tell me if that was wrong, or if you just expressed yourself badly.

Tissy

17-11-2013

Originally Posted by Julie_Evans:
“Abbey is 27 and is two years younger than Natalie. There is only two years between Abbey and Chelsee.”

Chelsee was 23 when she was on SCD but came across far younger than her age.

Sunf

17-11-2013

Originally Posted by Rhumbatugger:
“I understood that about a young girl.

I don't think the same crit about people's reaction to Abbey, are the same, or weigh the same or are the same.

And you are comparing Abbey with Chelsee as getting the SAME sort of crit.

And you have READ my posts presumably, and you were saying people's reactions were the SAME?

Or that my reaction was the SAME?

Please tell me if that was wrong, or if you just expressed yourself badly.”

When you want to talk English im here, I don't actually understand your last post so forgive me but your constant use of the word SAME has totally lost me, infact I think you have lost yourself too.

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Noted the two year difference in age kinda flaws your argument, what I have read so far is that you are telling me not to compare them , and I have not, you have done that already for me. so why would I need to??

Expressed myself badly, I think not and its rather rich coming from your last post

Rhumbatugger

17-11-2013

Originally Posted by Sunf:
“When you want to talk English im here, I don't actually understand your last post so forgive me but your constant use of the word SAME has totally lost me, infact I think you have lost yourself too.

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Noted the two year difference in age kinda flaws your argument, what I have read so far is that you are telling me not to compare them , and I have not, you have done that already for me. so why would I need to??

Expressed myself badly, I think not and its rather rich coming from your last post”

So Chelsea was 23, and Abbey is 28 and that's two years? When they are/were on Strictly.

And Chelsea had an ACTING role and Abbey was full on WAGDOM?

Argue properly, please.

I'm not comparing them either. You are.

I've got issues with ABBEY, not Chelsee, and they are not the same.

Sunf

17-11-2013

Originally Posted by Rhumbatugger:
“So Chelsea was 23, and Abbey is 28 and that's two years? When they are/were on Strictly.

And Chelsea had an ACTING role and Abbey was full on WAGDOM?

Argue properly, please.

I'm not comparing them either. You are.

I've got issues with ABBEY, not Chelsee, and they are not the same.”

"Argue properly" ???? see im not here for an argument obvious difference between us !!
Abbey was a model a real life job I do believe and has been on various tv for the last ten years according to you ,that would be a job wouldnt it) ?? Oh yeah I forgot shes just a wag LOL
No I wasn't comparing them at all, you ARE! please read back
I haven't got issues with Abbey or Chelsea so how can I be arguing and comparing them. Maybe time for you to find a new topic because you've lost the plot on this one.

Sylvia

17-11-2013

Originally Posted by Rhumbatugger:
“I DON'T CARE that she's done all she's done.I just DON'T BELIEVE that what she TRIES to portray about herself is actually WHAT she actually IS.Which is MUCH cleverer and more manipulative and far more experienced than you obviously think.I don't necessarily think she's horrible, she's not, she's just NOT all that 'baby flicky, nervy, oooh, ickle' thing she's trying to SEL.”

Couldn't agree more. Why do more people not realise this?

Rhumbatugger

17-11-2013

Originally Posted by Sunf:
“"Argue properly" ???? see im not here for an argument obvious difference between us !!
Abbey was a model a real life job I do believe and has been on various tv for the last ten years according to you ,that would be a job wouldnt it) ?? Oh yeah I forgot shes just a wag LOL
No I wasn't comparing them at all, you ARE! please read back
I haven't got issues with Abbey or Chelsea so how can I be arguing and comparing them. Maybe time for you to find a new topic because you've lost the plot on this one.”

Hey, doesn't matter

It's been said now, most of it - and people can think about it, if they bother.

Pax you

TerryM22

17-11-2013

Originally Posted by Sylvia:
“Couldn't agree more. Why do more people not realise this?”

Not everyone is the same

edy10

17-11-2013

Quite an intense debate going on here

Sunf

17-11-2013

Originally Posted by Rhumbatugger:
“Hey, doesn't matter

It's been said now, most of it - and people can think about it, if they bother.

Pax you”

true

PS what the hell is Pax you

EDIT No matter I googled right back at ya

Loon

17-11-2013

I think she's lovely. Probably rather shy- after all she's not used to being in front of 11m viewers live on a Saturday night, who wouldn't be terrified? She always looks v nervous, I want to give her a big hug sometimes.

Also does anyone else look at Alijaz and see Roger Federer? I'm starting to think it's my eyesight

Demizdeeroolz

17-11-2013

Abbey's persona on SCD is completely different to how she behaved on Britain's Next Top Model. That was before she
Started dating Peter Crouch.

Maybe her confidence diminished after being humiliated by Crouchy soon after conceiving their daughter.

dekaf

17-11-2013

I think she's a lovely dancer, and improving all the time, but she comes across really awkward at times.

Scotlass

17-11-2013

Originally Posted by Julie_Evans:
“Good grief, you go to such trouble to criticise Abbey ”

I wonder why, I think she is upbeat and makes me smile

Scotlass

17-11-2013

Originally Posted by Loon:
“I think she's lovely. Probably rather shy- after all she's not used to being in front of 11m viewers live on a Saturday night, who wouldn't be terrified? She always looks v nervous, I want to give her a big hug sometimes.

Also does anyone else look at Alijaz and see Roger Federer? I'm starting to think it's my eyesight”

It's your eyesight.........

Pices-55

17-11-2013

Originally Posted by Demizdeeroolz:
“Abbey's persona on SCD is completely different to how she behaved on Britain's Next Top Model. That was before she
Started dating Peter Crouch.

Maybe her confidence diminished after being humiliated by Crouchy soon after conceiving their daughter.”

Or just maybe its being a reality TV veteran that has taught her what the public want to see and she has adapted accordingly to a fake persona in order to gain votes.
Anyhow not that its at all relevant but didn't she humiliate Peter first.

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