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Sofajudge
18-11-2013
Originally Posted by benjamini:
“So do seals.”

And they too would have been more entertaining to watch than Fiona.

Lovely lady though.
Becky_B
18-11-2013
Originally Posted by gemsstones:
“The judges usually say 'based on this dance....' they should probably still say it so that people still know that's the point of the dance off. Fiona made several mistakes, Mark didn't.”

Because, as usual, he did almost no dancing, although at least this week his feet actually moved, if not in recognisable Jive steps.
hansue
18-11-2013
Originally Posted by J.R:
“It's very disappointing and a little ironic to see the rudeness and insults being bandied about when the two people in question were so sweet and polite and just lovely. Can you imagine Fiona turning to Mark and hissing 'It should have been me you fat tub of lard'! Or Mark sniggering 'In your face you old codger'. No his response was genuine and very sweet , hers was genuine, gracious. If you like either one of them perhaps you could take aleaf out of their book. The reason - imo -that they both got as far as they did was because they are both nice likeable people in their own ways but neither were destined to win so have done really well and reached their personal goals of getting to Blackpool.”

Excellent post. Its a pity some posters on here dont have the same views. I think Mark expected to go this week and its not his fault that he was saved by the judges. I wonder who these people will turn on when Mark goes - probably on Saturday - as they are never happy unless they are slagging someone off.
chachachavvy
18-11-2013
For me Mark projects confidence as a performer which makes him very enjoyable to watch. Fiona, on the other hand, always seemed to lose her way every week and I would sit here waiting for the moment when she would screw things up (I think Bruno nailed it in his critique on Saturday). I don't think Anton choreographing safe, Shirley Temple-esque routines helped her much either.
saoir
18-11-2013
And the silly people still think it's a dance competition.

Fiona would have gotten the judges decision had she delivered a reasonable dance. She left them with absolutely no choice after she butchered her dance in the dance-off. She let herself down imho.

Mark is worth it because he entertains ! and his dance was fabulously entertaining. And that is a big part of the essence of the competition.
Kaereste
18-11-2013
Originally Posted by nightsong:
“Apparently Anton really wasn't trying very hard this series (yes I do have some inside info). I imagine Fiona was happy enough to have got this far and relieved it was all over.”

As opposed to recent years when he has tried hard? I believe Fiona would have done a lot better with a different professional as Anton really is in it for laughs now.
Bonnie96
18-11-2013
Originally Posted by tvaddict37:
“Well i think fiona was robbed. Yes she made the odd mistake but her dancing was better than that flat footed stompy thing with not a single decent kick or flick.”

What strikes me about Fiona is she walks the dance steps (very like Lynda Bellingham did) instead of utiIising her whole body for expression - her feet and hands are all that move.
Originally Posted by Jan2555*GG*:
“Mark has been given 3 Latins in a row which is very unfair & that has just been put right. He will now have a ballroom & frankly he can ballroom dance better than Ben because he can perform it but BECAUSE he doesn't look like Ben he doesn't get the same scores. Nobody will EVER persuade me that Mark has been anything other than an asset to the show.”

BIB - totally agree Jan.


Originally Posted by Jan2555*GG*:
“Okay hands up anyone complaining on this thread who actually believed that Fiona had a chance of winning the competition. anyone you at the back No.

Okay so what harm has been done then

I love Mark and can't bear Fiona but I wouldn't have caused a fuss if it had been the other way around because it's all relative. They are neither of them show winners & Mark will be gone before long it's not as though he has avoided the dance off all together. So for goodness sake put it into proportion & some of you stop being personally abusive, it says more about you as a person than Mark who doesn't seem to have a mean bone in his body.”

I say something similar every year.
The winner will be 1 out of 15 and was never going to be either Mark or Fiona (although I hope he is in the Final for variety) so 14 will be eliminated this series and so far, bar one, they've gone in a predictable order.
Jim Kowalski
18-11-2013
Originally Posted by Bonnie96:
“What strikes me about Fiona is she walks the dance steps (very like Lynda Bellingham did) instead of utiIising her whole body for expression - her feet and hands are all that move.
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It was enough to outlast Rachel so Fiona fans can hardly complain.
holly berry
18-11-2013
Because Craig tends to score down this can give the impression that he is being objective but as the other panelists have said very few dances even when performed by professionals are perfect. It's always possible to find fault if you want to do so. Increasingly I'm aware of how Craig overlooks faults in dancers he likes and emphasises them in others. If this isn't bad enough he isn't even consistent - his marking criteria seem to change according to the mood he's in or the role he is asked to play by the producers! I still like him but I don't think he's particularly better than Darcey and Bruno. Len? Yes! Poor Len has become a caricature of himself although to be fair Strictly tends to do this to all its judges
soulwoman
18-11-2013
Originally Posted by hansue:
“I wondered how long it would take for a thread like this to be started.

Fiona mucked up Mark didnt. End of.”

Is there a problem with an opinion on whether the judges were fair or not? No, thought not so don't be rude.

End of....... No, sorry just can't allow myself to respond like a 9 year old so will have to finish the sentence; End of subject.
soulwoman
18-11-2013
Originally Posted by hansue:
“Excellent post. Its a pity some posters on here dont have the same views. I think Mark expected to go this week and its not his fault that he was saved by the judges. I wonder who these people will turn on when Mark goes - probably on Saturday - as they are never happy unless they are slagging someone off.”

I agree completely with both of these posts. Both are lovely people and there is no need to be rude about either person. I thought we were judging the dancing?
nanscombe
18-11-2013
Originally Posted by hansue:
“I wondered how long it would take for a thread like this to be started…”

If Mark had left there would probably have been a thread crowing about how the judges did the right thing instead.
holly berry
18-11-2013
If someone is a fan of Fiona then it's understandable that s/he thinks that she 'was robbed' but the reality is that Mark danced better in the dance off as evidenced by the reception he and Ivetta received after they finished their dance and the fact that three out of four judges voted to save them.
nanscombe
18-11-2013
We even had the "Was Dave robbed?" thread last week.
katmobile
18-11-2013
Originally Posted by benjamini:
“This programme is blatantly sexist and ageist, accept it and be entertained.”

Wow! so an overweight guy gets put through and the program still gets accused of being ist - lots of older ladies win DOs live with it.
Crawley Cutie
18-11-2013
During the Dance off , Mark performed to the best of his ability - Fiona didn't.

That's it really....
Becky_B
18-11-2013
Originally Posted by Crawley Cutie:
“During the Dance off , Mark performed to the best of his ability - Fiona didn't.

That's it really....”

And in the previous dance off, Dave danced to the best of his (very limited) ability.

And yet Mark is still there.
Swanandduck2
18-11-2013
I got the impression Fiona had mentally left the competition as soon as she heard she was in the dance off, whereas Mark came out fighting. It was the right decision in my opinion.

Fiona did well to get as far as she did. She's an okay, but not great, dancer and she wouldn't have had a fan base as most people would either never have heard of her, or only vaguely remembered her, when she started the competition,
Becky_B
18-11-2013
Look the point is she's a better dancer than Mark.

When Mark is saved over Fiona.. people claim its because he danced to his potential whereas she didn't, seemed resigned etc.

And yet the previous week, when Dave danced to his potential and Mark danced even more poorly than usual, seemed resigned, etc its allegedly STILL right that he stayed despite the situation being the mirror of what is stated above.
Tennis-dancer
18-11-2013
Originally Posted by Tom_Brewer:
“Sorry but Mark was clearly the worse dancer.....you cant really call what he did a Jive, nor did it really resemble hairspray.”

A lot of the moves came straight out of the Hairspray routine, as I remember it. He was in time with the music and completed the dance to the best of his jive ability whereas Fiona, I feel, had given up and jus went to enjoy her last routine -and promptly forget great chunks of it. I don't
Think it was nerves, I think Len was being kind when he said that, it was oh good, I'm going home.
Jan2555*GG*
18-11-2013
Originally Posted by Becky_B:
“Look the point is she's a better dancer than Mark.

When Mark is saved over Fiona.. people claim its because he danced to his potential whereas she didn't, seemed resigned etc.

And yet the previous week, when Dave danced to his potential and Mark danced even more poorly than usual, seemed resigned, etc its allegedly STILL right that he stayed despite the situation being the mirror of what is stated above.”

I get your point and if you remember, if the judges had been split Len would have saved Dave & Mark would be gone & this forum would have exploded. It's sad for Fiona fans but it was only a matter of time for her & for Mark too for that matter.
Swanandduck2
18-11-2013
Originally Posted by Tennis-dancer:
“A lot of the moves came straight out of the Hairspray routine, as I remember it. He was in time with the music and completed the dance to the best of his jive ability whereas Fiona, I feel, had given up and jus went to enjoy her last routine -and promptly forget great chunks of it. I don't
Think it was nerves, I think Len was being kind when he said that, it was oh good, I'm going home.”

I agree. I think Fiona realised that the gap between her and Mark and the other dancers was really widening and she didn't want the embarassment of being bottom of the board again next week. I imagine she never expected to win and her attitude now was 'I've had a great few weeks, but it's time to go home'. She didn't look the least bit upset when she realised Mark had won, and I thought she seemed quite relieved when she was doing her final dance at the end.
SCD-Observer
18-11-2013
Originally Posted by Becky_B:
“Look the point is she's a better dancer than Mark.

When Mark is saved over Fiona.. people claim its because he danced to his potential whereas she didn't, seemed resigned etc.

And yet the previous week, when Dave danced to his potential and Mark danced even more poorly than usual, seemed resigned, etc its allegedly STILL right that he stayed despite the situation being the mirror of what is stated above.”

The difference? Mark did not give up even with his rumba routine and gave it all. Fi seemed to have already got her taxi waiting for her during DO...
Becky_B
18-11-2013
Originally Posted by Jan2555*GG*:
“I get your point and if you remember, if the judges had been split Len would have saved Dave & Mark would be gone & this forum would have exploded. It's sad for Fiona fans but it was only a matter of time for her & for Mark too for that matter.”

Indeed, but the arguments here as to why he should have been saved have flipped a full 180.

And Len was vilified last week.
Becky_B
18-11-2013
Originally Posted by SCD-Observer:
“The difference? Mark did not give up even with his rumba routine and gave it all. Fi seemed to have already got her taxi waiting for her during DO...”

Gave it ALL?! That Rumba? Standing still and occassionally wafting an arm?

Good grief.


The arguments here completely flip flopped in the space of a week. If he went out and stood stock still next week i guarantee there would be people defending that too.
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