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Old 19-11-2013, 11:30
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Firstly, I read that the PS4 controller can be used with PS3 games. http://uk.ign.com/wikis/playstation-...tation_3_Games There is a list of games given, but I don't understand why it would only work with select games as it has all the same buttons as a PS3 pad so surely it would either work with every game or none, instead of being sort of half and half?

Also, they say you have to plug it in? Surely it would just use the bluetooth standard just like the PS3 pad, can't see many going back to wired in 2013.

Yet I suppose the PS4 controller is said to be a big improvement over the PS3 one so I can see how PS3 compatibility would be nice. Just a shame you aparently have to keep it tethered on a old skool usb lead.

I also read that though the PS3 controllers can't be used on PS4, the Move actually can? This is of interest but would be interesting to know to what degree e.g. can the move camera take the place of the PS4 camera? If not what does it actually do on PS4? (if anything)
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Old 19-11-2013, 12:13
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The move camera can't be used on the PS4, only the move controllers.
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Old 19-11-2013, 12:23
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The move camera can't be used on the PS4, only the move controllers.
Well that sucks So how will they work without the camera for tracking then? I suppose they expect us to spend 50-60 on the PS4 camera to make them work?
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Old 19-11-2013, 12:30
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Yes you need the new camera!!, but apparently it can track the motion controllers. You must remember the new camera uses its own special port not a USB.
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Old 19-11-2013, 13:30
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Yes you need the new camera!!, but apparently it can track the motion controllers. You must remember the new camera uses its own special port not a USB.
Yes, I know that, but the machine still has standard USBs (on front I believe) so if they wanted to let the move camera work on USB they could have done so but instead they want us to pay out again to replace hardware we already have (which is gathering dust in my case as I just don't find much use for it on PS3).

Sure the new camera will have better resolution and all that, it's three years newer after all, but I'm sure they could have let the move camera work, even if only to enable the move controllers.
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Old 19-11-2013, 13:52
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Trouble is then they'd need 2 lots of software to run either camera etc. The new camera does so much more than the previous it would be a nightmare. Just like Xbox Kinect won't work with the new Xbox.
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Old 19-11-2013, 14:30
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Yes, I know that, but the machine still has standard USBs (on front I believe) so if they wanted to let the move camera work on USB they could have done so but instead they want us to pay out again to replace hardware we already have (which is gathering dust in my case as I just don't find much use for it on PS3).

Sure the new camera will have better resolution and all that, it's three years newer after all, but I'm sure they could have let the move camera work, even if only to enable the move controllers.
The hardware in the new camera is far greater and by allowing the old camera you allow for fragmentation and it would mean devs would have to make there games work for the old camera as well as the new one.

Atleast there are no new move controllers, I think the PS4 is the first console that allows you to use last gens controllers on new games. Usually the compatibility of old controllers is just for emulation purposes.
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Old 19-11-2013, 15:25
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Firstly, I read that the PS4 controller can be used with PS3 games. http://uk.ign.com/wikis/playstation-...tation_3_Games There is a list of games given, but I don't understand why it would only work with select games as it has all the same buttons as a PS3 pad so surely it would either work with every game or none, instead of being sort of half and half?

Also, they say you have to plug it in? Surely it would just use the bluetooth standard just like the PS3 pad, can't see many going back to wired in 2013.
The reason you have to plug the controller in using a usb cable is because the Bluetooth on the PS4 controller is not compatible with the PS3, I thinks you could say its Bluetooth 1.1
Going onto the camera why on earth would you want to use the Playstation eye camera which is a poor excuse for an added item with a superior piece of kit in the shape of the PS4
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Old 19-11-2013, 19:02
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The reason you have to plug the controller in using a usb cable is because the Bluetooth on the PS4 controller is not compatible with the PS3, I thinks you could say its Bluetooth 1.1
Going onto the camera why on earth would you want to use the Playstation eye camera which is a poor excuse for an added item with a superior piece of kit in the shape of the PS4
RE the bluetooth, why use a different version though? The PS3 version worked perfectly, I've never had the connection drop out (except when a pad needed charging). Changing the Bluetooth protocol when keeping it the same would have allowed far better compatibility (of controllers, headsets, remotes etc) between the systems seems like change for the sake of it, exactly what benefit does this 'bluetooth 1.1' give them?, none whatsoever is my bet.

The reason I would have liked to use the camera is because I already have it so it costs 0 to use where as if I want the PS4 camera that's another 50+ gone, which would be better spent on another game or controller and after spending 400+ on the system and software paying another 50+ for a device (which I'm not even completely sold on the usefulness of yet) just ain't gonna happen.

Don't get me wrong, I think the PS4 is gonna be great and I like the majority of what Sony has done with it and the decisions they made, it's just it annoys me how we are expected to re-buy perfectly good hardware (controllers/headsets/remotes etc) that (mostly) could probably have been carried into the next generation (even in a limited form) without too much trouble.
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Old 19-11-2013, 20:41
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RE the bluetooth, why use a different version though? The PS3 version worked perfectly, I've never had the connection drop out (except when a pad needed charging). Changing the Bluetooth protocol when keeping it the same would have allowed far better compatibility (of controllers, headsets, remotes etc) between the systems seems like change for the sake of it, exactly what benefit does this 'bluetooth 1.1' give them?, none whatsoever is my bet.

The reason I would have liked to use the camera is because I already have it so it costs 0 to use where as if I want the PS4 camera that's another 50+ gone, which would be better spent on another game or controller and after spending 400+ on the system and software paying another 50+ for a device (which I'm not even completely sold on the usefulness of yet) just ain't gonna happen.

Don't get me wrong, I think the PS4 is gonna be great and I like the majority of what Sony has done with it and the decisions they made, it's just it annoys me how we are expected to re-buy perfectly good hardware (controllers/headsets/remotes etc) that (mostly) could probably have been carried into the next generation (even in a limited form) without too much trouble.
Higher bandwidth on new bluetooth?
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Old 19-11-2013, 20:47
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It carries controls and 2 way sound ie. Speaker and mic.

Maybe old bluetooth couldnt support that
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Old 19-11-2013, 20:48
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and headphones.
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