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Old 19-11-2013, 11:35
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Great article: http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2013-...-steven-moffat

Axe it at your peril
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Old 19-11-2013, 13:26
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Good article but I have to agree with the BBC - at the time the show was very poor, a lot of people had stopped watching it and it needed a rest and a total re - think. I always thought it was a shame that it wasn't recommissioned following the TV Movie,but thank god for RTD. Now all he's got to do, is forget this nonesence he is writting for channel 4 and bring back Torchwood.
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Old 19-11-2013, 13:53
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Good article but I have to agree with the BBC - at the time the show was very poor, a lot of people had stopped watching it and it needed a rest and a total re - think. I always thought it was a shame that it wasn't recommissioned following the TV Movie,but thank god for RTD. Now all he's got to do, is forget this nonesence he is writting for channel 4 and bring back Torchwood.
To be fair - it was being actively "killed" at that time. Zero corporate support, tiny budget and was wandering round the TV schedules... when it wasn't opposite Corrie.

It's not surprising viewing figures were dropping off.

Nine million brits watched the TV movie, but rather than build on that success the BBC decided to sulk and forget about Doctor Who all over again because it didn't have the holy grail of a foreign investor.
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Old 19-11-2013, 13:57
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To be fair - it was being actively "killed" at that time. Zero corporate support, tiny budget and was wandering round the TV schedules... when it wasn't opposite Corrie.

It's not surprising viewing figures were dropping off.

Nine million brits watched the TV movie, but rather than build on that success the BBC decided to sulk and forget about Doctor Who all over again because it didn't have the holy grail of a foreign investor.
Wouldn't the Universal co-production deal have had a set period? I seem to recall Paul McGann didn't do anything Who-related for five years.
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Old 19-11-2013, 17:58
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I think the BBC were right to axe it. DW was fading and lost its appeal. So unless some genius producer came along to rejuvenate it then it would be a waste of money funding it.
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Old 19-11-2013, 18:03
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The JNT era would have been twice as good as it was if they would only have dimmed the lights...
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Old 19-11-2013, 18:03
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But they cut Sylvester McCoy off in his prime.
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Old 19-11-2013, 18:10
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The final series of Classic Who was one of the best. It's just not true that it was fading creatively — it had emerged from its 22/24 nadir and all trends were positive.

I still think the decision was primarily a result of commercial circumstances. It was the only drama left in the building as the corporation was shifting towards significant use of third-party production, and had failed to weather the scheduling storm wrought upon it following the missteps with Colin (costume, tone, quality of writing, etc) that weren't righted until well after McCoy had turned up.

The JNT era would have been twice as good as it was if they would only have dimmed the lights...
Some of those stories aren't quite burnt into my brain so much as they're burnt into my retinas.
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Old 19-11-2013, 18:11
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If this new bloke doesn't save it, it will be heading that way again very soon.

We can perhaps for give then the one major mistake of Smith and Moffat, but to repeat that mistake will be inexcusable.

The next series all or nothing for getting back to pre-Smith or else it's the BBC vaults for another 14 years.
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Old 19-11-2013, 18:13
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If this new bloke doesn't save it, it will be heading that way again very soon.

We can perhaps for give then the one major mistake of Smith and Moffat, but to repeat that mistake will be inexcusable.

The next series all or nothing for getting back to pre-Smith or else it's the BBC vaults for another 14 years.
I'm sure 5% of people here agree entirely.

The critical reception, profit line and viewing figures do not.
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Old 19-11-2013, 18:17
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If this new bloke doesn't save it, it will be heading that way again very soon.

We can perhaps for give then the one major mistake of Smith and Moffat, but to repeat that mistake will be inexcusable.

The next series all or nothing for getting back to pre-Smith or else it's the BBC vaults for another 14 years.
That "mistake" made the series more popular and profitable in the USA than it has ever been since Tom Baker left. In the UK, it remains perfectly stable, and is seeing even more of a resurgence in popularity as of late.

MORE MISTAKES LIKE THIS PLEASE.
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Old 19-11-2013, 18:19
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If this new bloke doesn't save it, it will be heading that way again very soon.

We can perhaps for give then the one major mistake of Smith and Moffat, but to repeat that mistake will be inexcusable.

The next series all or nothing for getting back to pre-Smith or else it's the BBC vaults for another 14 years.
If Doctor who stayed the way it is now (season split aside) I will be very happy because it is brilliant.

And I'm certain many many people will agree with me. Millions in fact.
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Old 19-11-2013, 20:44
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I agree with Moffat about this
the beeb had it in for doctor who
the series was amazing and I loved it, it was excellent with the Seventh Doctor - particularly with Ace and her arc
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Old 19-11-2013, 21:02
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On one hand I agree with Moffat because I'm a fan who loved the classic series till the bitter end….

On the other hand I do sort of think it needed a break so it could be reinvented as it had become a bit dated for the wider audience.


If this new bloke doesn't save it, it will be heading that way again very soon.

We can perhaps for give then the one major mistake of Smith and Moffat, but to repeat that mistake will be inexcusable.

The next series all or nothing for getting back to pre-Smith or else it's the BBC vaults for another 14 years.
well there is certainly a connection between Moffat's quote and this post that is for sure….
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Old 19-11-2013, 21:39
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On one hand I agree with Moffat because I'm a fan who loved the classic series till the bitter end….

On the other hand I do sort of think it needed a break so it could be reinvented as it had become a bit dated for the wider audience.




well there is certainly a connection between Moffat's quote and this post that is for sure….
It was already re-invented via the new Doctor, companion and actually having Cartmel's ideas/plan
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Old 19-11-2013, 21:43
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It was already re-invented via the new Doctor, companion and actually having Cartmel's ideas/plan
It's difficult really, I don't know if it all wasn't too little too late for the show at the time trying to look at it from the outside. I love the last series of the classic era, I think it's up there with the best. It's so hard to be objective from our position I think.
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Old 19-11-2013, 21:46
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Axing Dr Who in 1989 was at least 6 years overdue.
Much of the JNT era was a complete embarrassment with JNT vying to get star names on the show and turning it into a panto.
It really was dire stuff.
Grade successfully removed it for a year or so but axing crown jewels wasn't easy back then so it returned.
To be fair the BBC did do the best they could to have a reason to axe it by moving it from saturdays , changing to 50 minutes and then placing it opposite Corrie.
Even the great Timelord couldn't escape that and its good that it was before it went any further down the pan .
Compare the first 3 years of Tom Baker with the JNT era of Tom Baker .
That should have been enough to have axed JNT there and then.
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Old 19-11-2013, 22:00
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Axing Dr Who in 1989 was at least 6 years overdue.
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At least six years overdue you say? So no Caves of Androzani (often voted the best Doctor Who story of them all), no Revelation of the Daleks, no Remembrance of the Daleks, no Curse of Fenric to name but a few.
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Old 19-11-2013, 22:11
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I think interviews with the Moff depend on how much red wine he has drunk.
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Old 19-11-2013, 22:16
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But they cut Sylvester McCoy off in his prime.
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Old 19-11-2013, 22:26
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To be fair - it was being actively "killed" at that time. Zero corporate support, tiny budget and was wandering round the TV schedules... when it wasn't opposite Corrie.

It's not surprising viewing figures were dropping off.
Yeah. I've said before: even though I was against the cancellation of DW, I'd
have more respect for the BBC execs of the time if they'd
cancelled "Doctor Who" in 1985 and stood by this decision publicly.

Bringing it back in a weakened form
and slowly starving the show of everything it
needed to survive smacked of cowardice. It was nearly
twenty years before they admitted they'd cancelled
it in 1989- it was just being "rested" before then!
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Old 19-11-2013, 22:40
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I am not aware of what the issues regarding rights were and what deals had been struck at the time- anyone who does please say!- but I think the failure to pursue more DW following the TV movie was more stupid, inexplicable and inexcusable than cancelling/resting the show in '89.

It got viewers. They cast a fine doctor. Yes it had its issues. But it was essentially a pilot. It should have been given a chance. This was an era when the X Files was the biggest genre show on TV and while a very different type of program it showed a hunger for science fiction on mainstream TV. The BBC should have taken a chance. They were after all still showing genre shows in the meantime all of which were utter trash- Lois and Clarke being one that springs to mind among others.

It suggests to me that there was a degree of bias and dislike against the show among the top brass. Of course it worked out brilliantly in the end. As Moffat says the generation who grew up with and loved the show were biding their time. And then when the time came even the suits and the bean counters couldn't hold them back. All the brilliant writers and directors and actors who were fond of the show and even went in to the industry because of it were ready to do the right thing and bring it back.

Which is a nice thought. Should it ever fall out of favour again then a whole new generation whose earliest TV memories began with Rose will soon be ready to make sure its back where it belongs again.
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Old 19-11-2013, 22:46
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To be fair - it was being actively "killed" at that time. Zero corporate support, tiny budget and was wandering round the TV schedules... when it wasn't opposite Corrie.

It's not surprising viewing figures were dropping off.

Nine million brits watched the TV movie, but rather than build on that success the BBC decided to sulk and forget about Doctor Who all over again because it didn't have the holy grail of a foreign investor.
Yeah but it's not the fault of the concept of Dr Who as a show that the well paid upper management of the BBC at the time were incapable of the foresight of seeing what a dynamite show they could have on their hands if they had the savvy to put people with the necessary vision and skills in charge of the show.
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Old 19-11-2013, 22:51
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Yeah but it's not the fault of the concept of Dr Who as a show that the well paid upper management of the BBC at the time were incapable of the foresight of seeing what a dynamite show they could have on their hands if they had the savvy to put people with the necessary vision and skills in charge of the show.
Exactly! What the return of DW has proved is that it is one of the very special concepts that should and will endure. The Doctor is there with Sherlock, Bond, Batman, Superman, Spiderman etc etc. They may fall out of favor at times but they will always come back. It just depends on who is entrusted to do so. The essential elements of the show are unique and eternal in their appeal. All the characters mentioned above have fallen out of favor or had rough times. They just needed the right people to be running it again. Bond was dead after License to Kill. Batman the same after Batman and Robin. You just have to wait. Or make a change. The public love Doctor Who. When it goes wrong you change it. The format will never get old.
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Old 19-11-2013, 23:02
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Exactly! What the return of DW has proved is that it is one of the very special concepts that should and will endure. The Doctor is there with Sherlock, Bond, Batman, Superman, Spiderman etc etc. They may fall out of favor at times but they will always come back. It just depends on who is entrusted to do so. The essential elements of the show are unique and eternal in their appeal. All the characters mentioned above have fallen out of favor or had rough times. They just needed the right people to be running it again. Bond was dead after License to Kill. Batman the same after Batman and Robin. You just have to wait. Or make a change. The public love Doctor Who. When it goes wrong you change it. The format will never get old.
Bang on the money mate!
I can't think of a 'concept', be it a TV or film franchise, music style or artist that has remained universally popular over a long period of time.
(Hell, I love Madonna but she yoyo's up the scales between genius and trash at times)
The popularity of a long running concept hinges on the people behind it remaining fresh and reinvention.
Lets be honest, I love the era but how much longer could Holmes / Hinchcliffe have gone on whilst remaining at the top of their game.
Everything dies and everything has its place. It's important to know when to move on....
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