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Old 19-11-2013, 12:56
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You couldn't make this stuff up. Apple are attempting to get more Samsung products banned in the USA nothing new there. However its all Samsung's fault that people no longer see Apple as innovative!

Apple's marketing chief Phil Schiller said that Samsung has 'weakened the world view of Apple as this great designer and innovator'

http://www.mobiletoday.co.uk/News/27....CVmfnsX8.dpuf
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Old 19-11-2013, 13:21
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Surely the logical thing to do would be to innovate instead of suing? The lawsuit is a total mess and just proves what a disaster the US patent system has become.

It's not Samsung's fault that their products are appealing more to consumers than Apple products, or that Android has now won the smartphone war.

I'm going to predict that Apple is heading for trouble. Without Steve Jobs the company never does well and I think that they are heading down the wrong road.
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Old 19-11-2013, 13:23
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This actually just made me spit my coffee out. No Apple, the reason why people buy Samsung is because they want

A larger screen

Less restrictions like ringtones, drag n drop through windows, generally more control over their own phone, instead of being dictated to what they can do with it.

Apple are just upset that they will never have world domination.
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Old 19-11-2013, 13:28
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Were they ever a great innovator in the first place?
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Old 19-11-2013, 13:30
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Were they ever a great innovator in the first place?
I think they do deserve a bit of credit for the iPhone and iPad, but the innovation has stopped since the first iterations of those devices. Nowadays they steal more ideas than anyone else.
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Old 19-11-2013, 13:35
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Errr.. isn't "weakening demand for competitor's products" what competition is all about? You'd think that the courts, especially in the land of Free Enterprise would understand that.

There are still some hardcore Apple fanboys out there (one recently said to me "Android is for people who cannot afford Apple") but most people are more open minded and recognise that markets change. The iPhone was a revolutionary product but it now looks dated compared to other phones. Apple have just failed to keep up with changing demands - they've always had the attitude that they will tell the world what people want rather than listening to what people actually want.
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Old 19-11-2013, 13:37
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Saw this last week did make me chuckle.

What he actually said was "apple is not seen a innovating because of the samsung copying"

What he meant was "they keep making better phones and make ours look like the rip offs they are, just not fair, tell them to stop it"
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Old 19-11-2013, 13:39
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I think they do deserve a bit of credit for the iPhone and iPad, but the innovation has stopped since the first iterations of those devices. Nowadays they steal more ideas than anyone else.
Even late great Steve Jobs was once said "We have always been shameless about stealing great ideas & that good artists copy, great artists steal".
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Old 19-11-2013, 13:40
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I assumed Apple meant that through patent infringement Samsung's products looked more/as innovative as Apples, hence damaging the Apple brand. i.e. they caught up/surpassed Apple unfairly.

But after reading the article, who knows what they meant!
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Old 19-11-2013, 13:45
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I don't think Apple have ever really innovated. That's not what they do.
What they do is take an idea that doesn't work very well (like fingerprint reading) and make it work so well that you don't even notice you're using it.
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Old 19-11-2013, 13:47
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Even late great Steve Jobs was once said "We have always been shameless about stealing great ideas & that good artists copy, great artists steal".
Indeed. However I think there comes a point where the amount of theft overrides any "artistic" merit.
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Old 19-11-2013, 14:09
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Indeed. However I think there comes a point where the amount of theft overrides any "artistic" merit.
So theft (in this use of the term) is OK until someone else does it better ?
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Old 19-11-2013, 14:44
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Surely the logical thing to do would be to innovate instead of suing? The lawsuit is a total mess and just proves what a disaster the US patent system has become.

It's not Samsung's fault that their products are appealing more to consumers than Apple products, or that Android has now won the smartphone war.

I'm going to predict that Apple is heading for trouble. Without Steve Jobs the company never does well and I think that they are heading down the wrong road.

I agree but I'm sure there would be some posters (with some justification) who would hold the view that a company with more cash reserves than the US Govt at the moment could never be seen to be 'heading for trouble' but these things go in cycles - there was once a time when Apple was on its 'arris (and ironically 'saved' by Microsoft) and only a fool would predict it could never happen again.
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Old 19-11-2013, 14:48
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I agree but I'm sure there would be some posters (with some justification) who would hold the view that a company with more cash reserves than the US Govt at the moment could never be seen to be 'heading for trouble' but these things go in cycles - there was once a time when Apple was on its 'arris (and ironically 'saved' by Microsoft) and only a fool would predict it could never happen again.
This is exactly what I was referring to. Apple had a huge fall from grace after they sacked Steve Jobs and were saved by Microsoft, and it was largely down to incompetence and a lack of direction.

I'm seeing the same lack of direction from Apple now as they had back then. They seem to be coasting at the moment. Those cash reserves are just that. Cash reserves. The moment they dip into those reserves, shareholders will not be encouraged by that and it will have a ripple effect for Apple across the market.

They may not reach bankruptcy in the near future, but I can definitely see them begin to struggle in the next year or so.
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Old 19-11-2013, 15:07
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I remember reading a couple of months ago about Samsung launching a curved screen phone. Within the last week there's been reports that Apple are working on... a curved screen phone. That must be their idea of innovation.
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Old 19-11-2013, 15:13
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Apple's idea of innovation in 2010 was video calling. Been done for years.
Apple's idea of innovation in 2013 was fingerprint scanning. Been done for years.

All they do is repackage old ideas to make them more accessible to the average user. They haven't invented a thing.

This is not an attack before anyone starts getting emotional. Not here to burn down any Church of Apple.
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Old 19-11-2013, 15:18
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People having a choice is a bitch, Apple will have to fake it harder.
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Old 19-11-2013, 15:21
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Surely the logical thing to do would be to innovate instead of suing? The lawsuit is a total mess and just proves what a disaster the US patent system has become.

It's not Samsung's fault that their products are appealing more to consumers than Apple products, or that Android has now won the smartphone war.

I'm going to predict that Apple is heading for trouble. Without Steve Jobs the company never does well and I think that they are heading down the wrong road.
The logical thing for Samsung to do when they had the "Crisis of Design" was to innovate themselves. Instead they decided to take it from apple instead.
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Old 19-11-2013, 15:35
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The logical thing for Samsung to do when they had the "Crisis of Design" was to innovate themselves. Instead they decided to take it from apple instead.
except the chain goes further back than that as Apple took designs from other areas .... then marketed it better.

Smartphones existed before the iPhone
As did 'app stores'
As did 'touch screen'

Tablets existed before the iPad
Mp3 players before the iPod

Im not condoning Samsungs strategies at all (Im not a huge Samsung fan either) - but Apple are no innocent party in the recent borrowing of ideas.

All companies do it, just some better than others. Apple had its turn (and Jobs even admitted that they did this) and its currently the turn of Samsung. Who knows what it will be in 5 years. As has been pointed out much of this goes in cycles.

Perhaps the big difference these days is the sheer volume of patents out there for stuff that seems stupid to many of us, and the amount of money that companies are willing to spend on lawyers.
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Old 19-11-2013, 15:40
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The logical thing for Samsung to do when they had the "Crisis of Design" was to innovate themselves. Instead they decided to take it from apple instead.
Samsung's design is not that similar to Apple's. I think only those with vision impairment could confuse a Galaxy S4 with an iPhone 5S.
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Old 19-11-2013, 15:41
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It all started when Samsung stole a rectangular shape of a tablet from Apple.
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Old 19-11-2013, 15:53
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Samsung's design is not that similar to Apple's. I think only those with vision impairment could confuse a Galaxy S4 with an iPhone 5S.
I don't think the court case is referring to the S4 compared to the 5S.

Whether Samsung stole designs from apple is not in dispute as san sings own attorney has already admitted that.
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Old 19-11-2013, 15:58
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This is exactly what I was referring to. Apple had a huge fall from grace after they sacked Steve Jobs and were saved by Microsoft, and it was largely down to incompetence and a lack of direction.

I'm seeing the same lack of direction from Apple now as they had back then. They seem to be coasting at the moment. Those cash reserves are just that. Cash reserves. The moment they dip into those reserves, shareholders will not be encouraged by that and it will have a ripple effect for Apple across the market.

They may not reach bankruptcy in the near future, but I can definitely see them begin to struggle in the next year or so.
Maybe you should research the history a little more thoroughly.

Apple were struggling before they sacked Steve Jobs - the Lisa which Jobs project managed was a financial disaster as was the Macintosh. The time away from Apple spent with Next and Pixar gave Jobs the time and maturity he needed to come back and effectively turn things around at Apple.

As for Microsoft they didn't save Apple out of the goodness of their heart they agreed to a settlement of pending lawsuits they they would most likely lose. It was in Microsofts best interests to team up with Apple at the time. Microsoft were already facing the monopoly allegations so it also helped their cause to continue to develop software for Apple and invest in them.
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Old 19-11-2013, 15:59
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I don't think the court case is referring to the S4 compared to the 5S.

Whether Samsung stole designs from apple is not in dispute as san sings own attorney has already admitted that.
And Apple have already admitted that much of Apples 'innovation' is also stolen - in fact he seemed quite proud of the fact and came up with his obviously well thought out 'sound bite' for us all to still quote many years on
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Old 19-11-2013, 16:00
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except the chain goes further back than that as Apple took designs from other areas .... then marketed it better.

Smartphones existed before the iPhone
As did 'app stores'
As did 'touch screen'

Tablets existed before the iPad
Mp3 players before the iPod

Im not condoning Samsungs strategies at all (Im not a huge Samsung fan either) - but Apple are no innocent party in the recent borrowing of ideas.

All companies do it, just some better than others. Apple had its turn (and Jobs even admitted that they did this) and its currently the turn of Samsung. Who knows what it will be in 5 years. As has been pointed out much of this goes in cycles.

Perhaps the big difference these days is the sheer volume of patents out there for stuff that seems stupid to many of us, and the amount of money that companies are willing to spend on lawyers.
That's why it is called innovation and not invention.
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