Apple claim its Samsungs fault that Apple are no longer seen as a Great Innovator

It is kinda funny seeing posts like these where you agree with something, and have a go at another poster, seemingly oblivious to the fact that it also disagrees with figures you have quoted in the past.

You are very easily confused ain't you, bless.

swordman · 23-11-2013, 17:47

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Whatever the figure is, its certainly not that 16.7m figure.

Or would you like to revise your figure of how many the 5C needs to sell relative to the 4S down from your original figure of 80m?

16.7 million? iphone 4s? what are you rambling on about now

qasdfdsaq · 23-11-2013, 17:58

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I'm pretty sure the 4S has sold way more than that?

A quick Google, and apparently they sold 125m iPhones in 2012:
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It probably has. I know that figure's bollocks, just trying to illustrate the point that figures like that are... in general... bollocks

calico_pie · 23-11-2013, 18:19

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You are very easily confused ain't you, bless.

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16.7 million? iphone 4s? what are you rambling on about now

I'm not the one who is confused.

Go back and read post 239, where you quote a reference to 4S sales of 16.7m whilst having a go at kidspud's apparent lack of understanding.

Given that the figure of 16.7m is wrong, and even you have quoted a figure of, IIRC, 60m, that swipe at kidspud was entirely misplaced.

Like I said above, it is kind of comical the way you jump onto anything, even when it involves completely contradicting yourself sometimes.

calico_pie · 23-11-2013, 18:20

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It probably has. I know that figure's bollocks, just trying to illustrate the point that figures like that are... in general... bollocks

We'll not quite. That figure is obviously bollocks. The actual figure probably isn't bollocks.

swordman · 23-11-2013, 18:33

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I'm not the one who is confused.

Go back and read post 239, where you quote a reference to 4S sales of 16.7m whilst having a go at kidspud's apparent lack of understanding.

Given that the figure of 16.7m is wrong, and even you have quoted a figure of, IIRC, 60m, that swipe at kidspud was entirely misplaced.

Like I said above, it is kind of comical the way you jump onto anything, even when it involves completely contradicting yourself sometimes.

What is comical is your lack of ability to follow any thread, the discussion is about iphone 5 sales, nothing in any way whatsoever to do with 4s sales in any way.

The fact you have gone off again on some 4s tangent is irrelevant and nothing to do with the actual discussion. No wonder it is best just ignoring your posts sometimes.

calico_pie · 23-11-2013, 18:53

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What is comical is your lack of ability to follow any thread, the discussion is about iphone 5 sales, nothing in any way whatsoever to do with 4s sales in any way.

The fact you have gone off again on some 4s tangent is irrelevant and nothing to do with the actual discussion. No wonder it is best just ignoring your posts sometimes.

Not me - in post 239 you quoted another post referencing the 5 and 4S.

If it will make you happy change all my references to the 4S to the 5, and the point still stands.

The figures for both in the post you quoted to take a swipe at kidspud were wrong, so whichever way you try to spin it there was no lack of understanding on kidspud's part.

Or if there was, would you like to clarify exactly what that lack of understanding was?

swordman · 23-11-2013, 19:02

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How about:
Nokia 1100 - 250 million units
Nokia 1110 - 250 million units
Nokia 3210 - 160 million units
Nokia 1200 - 150 million units
Nokia 5230 - 150 million units

Motorola Razr V3 - 130 million units

Incidentally according to Wikipedia the 5 sold "over 50 million" while the 5S has only sold 20 million units and the 4S 16.7 million (vs the S3's 60 million)
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Not me - in post 239 you quoted another post referencing the 5 and 4S.
If it will make you happy change all my references to the 4S to the 5, and the point still stands.
The figures for both in the post you quoted to take a swipe at kidspud were wrong, so whichever way you try to spin it there was no lack of understanding on kidspud's part.
Or if there was, would you like to clarify exactly what that lack of understanding was?

Ok lets see shall we then? I will change your ridiculous references to the 4s to 5.

KS said Sorry,

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I meant I know of no other phone other than the iPhone 4s to have sold more than the 5.

Clearly incorrect.

The quote in relation to the iphone 5 said it has sold over 50 million units.

Now what exactly is incorrect CP any idea?

IslandNiles · 23-11-2013, 19:34

Why is the figure of 50m suddenly being accepted as correct?

iPhone sales:
Q1 2013: 47.8m
Q2 2013: 37.4m
Q3 2013: 31.2m
Q4 2013: 33.8m

The iPhone 5 was available for pretty much all of this period. It was available for one week prior to Q1 (so the figures don't include its launch) and withdrawn one week before the end of Q4.

Total iPhone sales: 150.2m.

As we know, Apple don't break down sales data by model. But do you think the iPhone 5 accounted for only a third of total iPhone sales over that year? I think previously you've suggested it accounted for 'only' half.

calico_pie · 23-11-2013, 19:39

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Ok lets see shall we then? I will change your ridiculous references to the 4s to 5.

KS said Sorry,

Clearly incorrect.

The quote in relation to the iphone 5 said it has sold over 50 million units.

Now what exactly is incorrect CP any idea?

This does seem to have gotten a bit confused.

kidspud said:

"Sorry, I meant I know of no other phone other than the iPhone 4s to have sold more than the 5."

And then you quoted the post which cited 4S sales of only 16.7m.

I read that as disputing what kidspud said about the 4S selling more than the 5.

Which was why I picked up on the incorrect figure for the 4S.

swordman · 23-11-2013, 20:50

Nope I actually believe the 4s to be the best selling iPhone ever and made no comment in relation to the 4s whatsoever.

confused because you make things that way because you don't read, so you were just wrong, no need to apologise

calico_pie · 23-11-2013, 21:29

I read a post where kidspud said something about the 4S outselling the 5.

Followed by a post quoting figures disputing that.

Followed by your post quoting those figures accusing kidspud of a lack of understanding.

alan1302 · 23-11-2013, 22:27

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Originally Posted by alan1302

Everything I've read on it suggests Xenon flashes consume more power than LED flashes.

There is also the issue that they would struggle to fit in the current iPhone design.

That's how these discussions sometimes go though - dismiss any reason that doesn't show Apple in a bad light, no matter how practical it might actually be.

Xenon flashes do consume more battery than an LED. I am saying that I don't believe it to be a problem for a phone now as Nokia have shown that it can be done and I don't believe they have battery issues.

There is an issue of fitting a Xenon flash into the current iPhone body, but, if Apple had decided to use a Xenon flash then the body would have designed to round it so not really an issue.

I'm not sure what your last comment has to do with this discussion? It's not about painting Apple in a good or bad light. Just showing my reasons for why I don't think Apple went for a Xenon flash despite the fact they could have done so if they wished.

kidspud · 23-11-2013, 23:01

Please, I don't want or need anyone to try and defend me. Especially as despite all the normal endless nonsense posted, I note the no one has been able to post anything to dispute the 85+ million figure I posted.

So I'll stand by what I said, I think the iPhone is the worlds best selling phone. The iPhone 4S (which is still not sale) is number one, and unless someone knows of a phone that had sold over 85 million, I believe the 5 is number 2. Strangely enough, I am of course talking about smartphones.

calico_pie · 23-11-2013, 23:49

Well, only indirectly, it was more about explaining why I wasn't confused.

calico_pie · 23-11-2013, 23:55

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Xenon flashes do consume more battery than an LED. I am saying that I don't believe it to be a problem for a phone now as Nokia have shown that it can be done and I don't believe they have battery issues.

There is an issue of fitting a Xenon flash into the current iPhone body, but, if Apple had decided to use a Xenon flash then the body would have designed to round it so not really an issue.

I'm not sure what your last comment has to do with this discussion? It's not about painting Apple in a good or bad light. Just showing my reasons for why I don't think Apple went for a Xenon flash despite the fact they could have done so if they wished.

You contradict yourself on the first paragraph - if they consume more power, then arguably that's a downside.

And it seems a bit extreme to redesign the entire phone, and make it bigger, just to accommodate a different flash.

Those are both perfectly valid, practical reasons, which is why I disagree it is solely about cost.

It also seems a bit of a stretch that a phone like the 5S, which whatever else is arguably one of the best quality phones on the market in terms of build quality, would cite cost as the he only factor in not switching to xenon flashes.

alan1302 · 24-11-2013, 00:20

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Originally Posted by kidspud

You contradict yourself on the first paragraph - if they consume more power, then arguably that's a downside.

And it seems a bit extreme to redesign the entire phone, and make it bigger, just to accommodate a different flash.

Those are both perfectly valid, practical reasons, which is why I disagree it is solely about cost.

It also seems a bit of a stretch that a phone like the 5S, which whatever else is arguably one of the best quality phones on the market in terms of build quality, would cite cost as the he only factor in not switching to xenon flashes.

As I have already said - they don't consume enough battery to have a noticeable effect as Nokia have already shown. So no, it's not a downside.

Why would they need to redesign the whole phone? Nokia have not with their range of phones which look pretty similar across the range.

swordman · 24-11-2013, 00:53

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Please, I don't want or need anyone to try and defend me. Especially as despite all the normal endless nonsense posted, I note the no one has been able to post anything to dispute the 85+ million figure I posted.

So I'll stand by what I said, I think the iPhone is the worlds best selling phone. The iPhone 4S (which is still not sale) is number one, and unless someone knows of a phone that had sold over 85 million, I believe the 5 is number 2. Strangely enough, I am of course talking about smartphones.

Trust me you do, you need all the help you can get. Nice to see the ADL pulling together though.

Still waiting for a response as to where you got your 85 million plus from, was it the first google search result

swordman · 24-11-2013, 00:54

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Originally Posted by kidspud

You contradict yourself on the first paragraph - if they consume more power, then arguably that's a downside.

And it seems a bit extreme to redesign the entire phone, and make it bigger, just to accommodate a different flash.

Those are both perfectly valid, practical reasons, which is why I disagree it is solely about cost.

It also seems a bit of a stretch that a phone like the 5S, which whatever else is arguably one of the best quality phones on the market in terms of build quality, would cite cost as the he only factor in not switching to xenon flashes.

Funny how you need definitive proof for everything except where the iphone is concerned, then it is always "it seems perfectly reasonable to assume" or some such assumption

qasdfdsaq · 24-11-2013, 01:04

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So I'll stand by what I said, I think the iPhone is the worlds best selling phone. The iPhone 4S (which is still not sale) is number one, and unless someone knows of a phone that had sold over 85 million, I believe the 5 is number 2. Strangely enough, I am of course talking about smartphones.

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How about:
Nokia 1100 - 250 million units
Nokia 1110 - 250 million units
Nokia 3210 - 160 million units
Nokia 1200 - 150 million units
Nokia 5230 - 150 million units

Motorola Razr V3 - 130 million units

Are you blind.

And yes the Motorola Razr V3 was a smartphone. So was the Nokia 5230.

Stiggles · 24-11-2013, 02:16

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Lawyer makes every effort to show their client in a favourable light.

In other news, night follows day.

What do you mean "the only reason Apple won this case"?

Are you saying the only reason they won this case was down to these comments by the lawyer?

And nothing to do with the jury concluding that actually, just maybe, Samsung were somehow guilty?

In the same news, CP complicates the post and adds arms and legs on to it along with multiple questions. Do you have nothing better to do?...

Favouritism whether you like it or not played a huge part in this case. Maybe not the only reason they won. They did pinch a thing or 2 but who doesnt? Apple are guilty of pinching most of the stuff they have right from other OS's.

kidspud · 24-11-2013, 06:40

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Originally Posted by Stiggles

Trust me you do, you need all the help you can get. Nice to see the ADL pulling together though.

Still waiting for a response as to where you got your 85 million plus from, was it the first google search result

You think I need defending against you

you are completely deluded once again.

Nice to see your use of the term ADL, reminds us every now and then that we are dealing with a child.

kidspud · 24-11-2013, 07:07

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Favouritism whether you like it or not played a huge part in this case. Maybe not the only reason they won. They did pinch a thing or 2 but who doesnt? Apple are guilty of pinching most of the stuff they have right from other OS's.

I assume you are not referring to the current case, as that was only to determine the amount samsung had to pay.

Whether favouritism played a huge part in the previous trial is very subjective. I think what played more of a part were the internal emails and documents that samsung wrote. I think they refer to that as evidence.

Everything Goes · 24-11-2013, 09:40

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