Apple claim its Samsungs fault that Apple are no longer seen as a Great Innovator

Anika Hanson · 24-11-2013, 10:06

The V3 was another one of my early smartphones.

alanwarwic · 24-11-2013, 10:34

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So I'll stand by what I said, I think the iPhone is the worlds best selling phone. ..

Actually it is more likely the Samsung or even more likely the Nokia.
BTW there is no one 'IPhone and no one 'Samsung'.

That low end 5c, bar the LTE looks cheaper to make than the Moto G. Its just happens to be part of the Apple/iPhone range.

kidspud · 24-11-2013, 10:44

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Originally Posted by Everything Goes

Sadly some people think Apple not only invented the smartphone but they have to be the biggest sellers too

Sadly they are mistaken

Well I'm not sure about others but I've never claimed apple invented the smartphone and I've never read in here anyone who thinks that. I assume you are talking about this forum.

However, I do accept that the Nokia has sold more, I had never even heard of the phone.

The razr I do not consider a smartphone, but I'm sure others will.

calico_pie · 24-11-2013, 10:47

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Originally Posted by swordman

Funny how you need definitive proof for everything except where the iphone is concerned, then it is always "it seems perfectly reasonable to assume" or some such assumption

I guess all we can hope for is a bit of common sense.

kidspud · 24-11-2013, 10:51

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Originally Posted by alanwarwic

Actually it is more likely the Samsung or even more likely the Nokia.
BTW there is no one 'IPhone and no one 'Samsung'.

That low end 5c, bar the LTE looks cheaper to make than the Moto G. Its just happens to be part of the Apple/iPhone range.

As usual, I really don't know what you are talking about.

I don't have a clue how much the 5c, Moro G or any other phone cost to make. What I'm fairly sure of is you don't either.

I'm not sure why you even brought it up. I assume it is to divert away from your reticular racism claim, like your friend.

calico_pie · 24-11-2013, 10:53

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Originally Posted by Stiggles

In the same news, CP complicates the post and adds arms and legs on to it along with multiple questions. Do you have nothing better to do?...

Favouritism whether you like it or not played a huge part in this case. Maybe not the only reason they won. They did pinch a thing or 2 but who doesnt? Apple are guilty of pinching most of the stuff they have right from other OS's.

You mention "arms and legs" a lot, but really just seems to be anything you don't like or agree with.

So a lawyer made every attempt to show his/her client in a favourable light.

Why on earth is that surprising or noteworthy? Its their job!

Saying that "favouritism" helped win them the case makes no sense here - presumably Samsung's lawyer's favoured Samsung, so it all cancels out.

If you want to talk about favouritism affecting the outcome, you would really need to somehow demonstrate that, I dunno, the judge showed inappropriate favouritism to one side or the other.

And I don't see how my saying that is somehow complicating anything.

calico_pie · 24-11-2013, 10:54

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Originally Posted by Everything Goes

Sadly some people think Apple not only invented the smartphone but they have to be the biggest sellers too

Sadly they are mistaken

Actually, I think its more the case that some people just like to think that other people think things.

alanwarwic · 24-11-2013, 11:00

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Originally Posted by kidspud

As usual, I really don't know what you are talking about....

Work it out, do the maths.
Seems obvious to me that the higher resolution quad core Moto G c/w a big battery costs more to make.

And seemingly they both cut costs by robbing the user from having a pop in battery.
So more backwards innovation there!

kidspud · 24-11-2013, 11:27

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Originally Posted by alanwarwic

Work it out, do the maths.
Seems obvious to me that the higher resolution quad core Moto G c/w a big battery costs more to make.

And seemingly they both cut costs by robbing the user from having a pop in battery.
So more backwards innovation there!

What maths and what seems obvious?

You give me the numbers (I'll be intrigued how you value things) and I'll add it up for you.

swordman · 24-11-2013, 11:59

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Originally Posted by kidspud

However, I do accept that the Nokia has sold more, I had never even heard of the phone.

The razr I do not consider a smartphone, but I'm sure others will.

Your your lack of knowledge never surprise me

swordman · 24-11-2013, 12:02

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Originally Posted by calico_pie

I guess all we can hope for is a bit of common sense.

I think your last rant about the 4s and sales shows it is a vainhope

kidspud · 24-11-2013, 12:08

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Originally Posted by swordman

Your your lack of knowledge never surprise me

So you knew about the Nokia then? Strange, you never mentioned it before

Your lack of integrity never surprises me.

swordman · 24-11-2013, 12:26

Better not say too much or I will have CP jumping in to defend your honour

calico_pie · 24-11-2013, 13:00

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Originally Posted by swordman

I think your last rant about the 4s and sales shows it is a vainhope

There was no rant.

kidspud mentioned something about the 4S outselling the 5.

qasdfdsaq quoted the 4S figure of 16.7m which appeared to dispute that.

That figure of 16.7m is incorrect.

No rant, no absence of common sense.

What's the ADC that you keep referring to by the way?

calico_pie · 24-11-2013, 13:01

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Originally Posted by swordman

Better not say too much or I will have CP jumping in to defend your honour

Referencing something another rooster said to (attempt to) lear up whatever confusion there was is not defending anyone.

kidspud · 24-11-2013, 13:20

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Originally Posted by swordman

Better not say too much or I will have CP jumping in to defend your honour

You never say too much. You pretty much say nothing.

Actually, you did make that ludicrous stance about racism, but you moved off of that pretty quick.

swordman · 24-11-2013, 13:29

Nice to see you two posting together and singing from the same hymn sheet.

Anything left to contribute to this thread then pretty much all you have said has embarrassed you

kidspud · 24-11-2013, 13:37

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Originally Posted by swordman

Nice to see you two posting together and singing from the same hymn sheet.

Anything left to contribute to this thread then pretty much all you have said has embarrassed you

Is it lonely having no one agree with you?

Even all your friends dismissed your silly racism rant, even the one who started it in the first place

calico_pie · 24-11-2013, 13:40

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Originally Posted by swordman

Nice to see you two posting together and singing from the same hymn sheet.

Anything left to contribute to this thread then pretty much all you have said has embarrassed you

So if more than one person happens to disagree with you, its some sort of club, where the people are in some sort of cahoots together?

Whereas if anyone agrees with you its what? Just two people who happen to share the same views?

Just another day, and another hilarious double standard.

alanwarwic · 24-11-2013, 14:36

I think we all have that same hymn sheet in that the iPhone sells massive in the US, and has by far the highest profit margin in the business.

swordman · 24-11-2013, 14:56

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Originally Posted by calico_pie

So if more than one person happens to disagree with you, its some sort of club, where the people are in some sort of cahoots together?

sorry i am finding it all very confusing with whose turn it is out of you two to reply.

kidspud · 24-11-2013, 15:08

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Originally Posted by alanwarwic

I think we all have that same hymn sheet in that the iPhone sells massive in the US, and has by far the highest profit margin in the business.

They sell more phones outside of the US than in it, which is hardly surprising.

Stiggles · 24-11-2013, 15:40

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Originally Posted by calico_pie

You mention "arms and legs" a lot, but really just seems to be anything you don't like or agree with.

So a lawyer made every attempt to show his/her client in a favourable light.

Why on earth is that surprising or noteworthy? Its their job!

Saying that "favouritism" helped win them the case makes no sense here - presumably Samsung's lawyer's favoured Samsung, so it all cancels out.

If you want to talk about favouritism affecting the outcome, you would really need to somehow demonstrate that, I dunno, the judge showed inappropriate favouritism to one side or the other.

And I don't see how my saying that is somehow complicating anything.

Its all these daft paragraphs you write one after the other in a vain attempt to make it look like you know what you are talking about. I don't need to demonstrate anything since a child could see what was happening here in this case.

Why pick on Samsung? Why haven't apple been sued for taking the idea of making a phone? Why is it anywhere else in the world apple have had their cases thrown out? Yet 15 mins down the road from Apple HQ, they win close to a billion dollars when apple themselves are guilty of stealing nearly everything they do!

Its incredible.

Zack06 · 24-11-2013, 15:44

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Originally Posted by Stiggles

Its all these daft paragraphs you write one after the other in a vain attempt to make it look like you know what you are talking about. I don't need to demonstrate anything. A child could see what was happening here in this case.

Stiggles · 24-11-2013, 15:45

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Originally Posted by kidspud

Well I'm not sure about others but I've never claimed apple invented the smartphone and I've never read in here anyone who thinks that. I assume you are talking about this forum.

However, I do accept that the Nokia has sold more, I had never even heard of the phone.

The razr I do not consider a smartphone, but I'm sure others will.

Oh there are many people here and elsewhere who claim apple invented the smartphone.

24-11-2013, 10:34	#277
alanwarwic Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: the wild world web Posts: 28,132	Quote: Originally Posted by kidspud .. So I'll stand by what I said, I think the iPhone is the worlds best selling phone. .. Actually it is more likely the Samsung or even more likely the Nokia. BTW there is no one 'IPhone and no one 'Samsung'. That low end 5c, bar the LTE looks cheaper to make than the Moto G. Its just happens to be part of the Apple/iPhone range.

24-11-2013, 10:06	#276
Anika Hanson Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: UK Posts: 14,219	The V3 was another one of my early smartphones.

24-11-2013, 10:44	#278
kidspud Forum Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 11,501	Quote: Originally Posted by Everything Goes Sadly some people think Apple not only invented the smartphone but they have to be the biggest sellers too Sadly they are mistaken Well I'm not sure about others but I've never claimed apple invented the smartphone and I've never read in here anyone who thinks that. I assume you are talking about this forum. However, I do accept that the Nokia has sold more, I had never even heard of the phone. The razr I do not consider a smartphone, but I'm sure others will.

24-11-2013, 10:47	#279
calico_pie Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 9,428	Quote: Originally Posted by swordman Funny how you need definitive proof for everything except where the iphone is concerned, then it is always "it seems perfectly reasonable to assume" or some such assumption I guess all we can hope for is a bit of common sense.

24-11-2013, 10:51	#280
kidspud Forum Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 11,501	Quote: Originally Posted by alanwarwic Actually it is more likely the Samsung or even more likely the Nokia. BTW there is no one 'IPhone and no one 'Samsung'. That low end 5c, bar the LTE looks cheaper to make than the Moto G. Its just happens to be part of the Apple/iPhone range. As usual, I really don't know what you are talking about. I don't have a clue how much the 5c, Moro G or any other phone cost to make. What I'm fairly sure of is you don't either. I'm not sure why you even brought it up. I assume it is to divert away from your reticular racism claim, like your friend.

24-11-2013, 10:53	#281
calico_pie Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 9,428	Quote: Originally Posted by Stiggles In the same news, CP complicates the post and adds arms and legs on to it along with multiple questions. Do you have nothing better to do?... Favouritism whether you like it or not played a huge part in this case. Maybe not the only reason they won. They did pinch a thing or 2 but who doesnt? Apple are guilty of pinching most of the stuff they have right from other OS's. You mention "arms and legs" a lot, but really just seems to be anything you don't like or agree with. So a lawyer made every attempt to show his/her client in a favourable light. Why on earth is that surprising or noteworthy? Its their job! Saying that "favouritism" helped win them the case makes no sense here - presumably Samsung's lawyer's favoured Samsung, so it all cancels out. If you want to talk about favouritism affecting the outcome, you would really need to somehow demonstrate that, I dunno, the judge showed inappropriate favouritism to one side or the other. And I don't see how my saying that is somehow complicating anything.

24-11-2013, 10:54	#282
calico_pie Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 9,428	Quote: Originally Posted by Everything Goes Sadly some people think Apple not only invented the smartphone but they have to be the biggest sellers too Sadly they are mistaken Actually, I think its more the case that some people just like to think that other people think things.

24-11-2013, 11:00	#283
alanwarwic Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: the wild world web Posts: 28,132	Quote: Originally Posted by kidspud As usual, I really don't know what you are talking about.... Work it out, do the maths. Seems obvious to me that the higher resolution quad core Moto G c/w a big battery costs more to make. And seemingly they both cut costs by robbing the user from having a pop in battery. So more backwards innovation there!

24-11-2013, 11:27	#284
kidspud Forum Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 11,501	Quote: Originally Posted by alanwarwic Work it out, do the maths. Seems obvious to me that the higher resolution quad core Moto G c/w a big battery costs more to make. And seemingly they both cut costs by robbing the user from having a pop in battery. So more backwards innovation there! What maths and what seems obvious? You give me the numbers (I'll be intrigued how you value things) and I'll add it up for you.

24-11-2013, 11:59	#285
swordman Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 6,342	Quote: Originally Posted by kidspud However, I do accept that the Nokia has sold more, I had never even heard of the phone. The razr I do not consider a smartphone, but I'm sure others will. Your your lack of knowledge never surprise me

24-11-2013, 12:02	#286
swordman Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 6,342	Quote: Originally Posted by calico_pie I guess all we can hope for is a bit of common sense. I think your last rant about the 4s and sales shows it is a vainhope

24-11-2013, 12:08	#287
kidspud Forum Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 11,501	Quote: Originally Posted by swordman Your your lack of knowledge never surprise me So you knew about the Nokia then? Strange, you never mentioned it before Your lack of integrity never surprises me.

24-11-2013, 12:26	#288
swordman Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 6,342	Better not say too much or I will have CP jumping in to defend your honour

24-11-2013, 13:00	#289
calico_pie Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 9,428	Quote: Originally Posted by swordman I think your last rant about the 4s and sales shows it is a vainhope There was no rant. kidspud mentioned something about the 4S outselling the 5. qasdfdsaq quoted the 4S figure of 16.7m which appeared to dispute that. That figure of 16.7m is incorrect. No rant, no absence of common sense. What's the ADC that you keep referring to by the way?

24-11-2013, 13:01	#290
calico_pie Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 9,428	Quote: Originally Posted by swordman Better not say too much or I will have CP jumping in to defend your honour Referencing something another rooster said to (attempt to) lear up whatever confusion there was is not defending anyone.

24-11-2013, 13:20	#291
kidspud Forum Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 11,501	Quote: Originally Posted by swordman Better not say too much or I will have CP jumping in to defend your honour You never say too much. You pretty much say nothing. Actually, you did make that ludicrous stance about racism, but you moved off of that pretty quick.

24-11-2013, 13:29	#292
swordman Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 6,342	Nice to see you two posting together and singing from the same hymn sheet. Anything left to contribute to this thread then pretty much all you have said has embarrassed you

24-11-2013, 13:37	#293
kidspud Forum Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 11,501	Quote: Originally Posted by swordman Nice to see you two posting together and singing from the same hymn sheet. Anything left to contribute to this thread then pretty much all you have said has embarrassed you Is it lonely having no one agree with you? Even all your friends dismissed your silly racism rant, even the one who started it in the first place

24-11-2013, 13:40	#294
calico_pie Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 9,428	Quote: Originally Posted by swordman Nice to see you two posting together and singing from the same hymn sheet. Anything left to contribute to this thread then pretty much all you have said has embarrassed you So if more than one person happens to disagree with you, its some sort of club, where the people are in some sort of cahoots together? Whereas if anyone agrees with you its what? Just two people who happen to share the same views? Just another day, and another hilarious double standard.

24-11-2013, 14:36	#295
alanwarwic Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: the wild world web Posts: 28,132	I think we all have that same hymn sheet in that the iPhone sells massive in the US, and has by far the highest profit margin in the business.

24-11-2013, 14:56	#296
swordman Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 6,342	Quote: Originally Posted by calico_pie So if more than one person happens to disagree with you, its some sort of club, where the people are in some sort of cahoots together? sorry i am finding it all very confusing with whose turn it is out of you two to reply.

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24-11-2013, 15:08	#297
kidspud Forum Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 11,501	Quote: Originally Posted by alanwarwic I think we all have that same hymn sheet in that the iPhone sells massive in the US, and has by far the highest profit margin in the business. They sell more phones outside of the US than in it, which is hardly surprising.

24-11-2013, 15:40	#298
Stiggles Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Dundee, Scotland Posts: 9,293	Quote: Originally Posted by calico_pie You mention "arms and legs" a lot, but really just seems to be anything you don't like or agree with. So a lawyer made every attempt to show his/her client in a favourable light. Why on earth is that surprising or noteworthy? Its their job! Saying that "favouritism" helped win them the case makes no sense here - presumably Samsung's lawyer's favoured Samsung, so it all cancels out. If you want to talk about favouritism affecting the outcome, you would really need to somehow demonstrate that, I dunno, the judge showed inappropriate favouritism to one side or the other. And I don't see how my saying that is somehow complicating anything. Its all these daft paragraphs you write one after the other in a vain attempt to make it look like you know what you are talking about. I don't need to demonstrate anything since a child could see what was happening here in this case. Why pick on Samsung? Why haven't apple been sued for taking the idea of making a phone? Why is it anywhere else in the world apple have had their cases thrown out? Yet 15 mins down the road from Apple HQ, they win close to a billion dollars when apple themselves are guilty of stealing nearly everything they do! Its incredible.

24-11-2013, 15:44	#299
Zack06 Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 27,438	Quote: Originally Posted by Stiggles Its all these daft paragraphs you write one after the other in a vain attempt to make it look like you know what you are talking about. I don't need to demonstrate anything. A child could see what was happening here in this case.

24-11-2013, 15:45	#300
Stiggles Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Dundee, Scotland Posts: 9,293	Quote: Originally Posted by kidspud Well I'm not sure about others but I've never claimed apple invented the smartphone and I've never read in here anyone who thinks that. I assume you are talking about this forum. However, I do accept that the Nokia has sold more, I had never even heard of the phone. The razr I do not consider a smartphone, but I'm sure others will. Oh there are many people here and elsewhere who claim apple invented the smartphone.