Apple claim its Samsungs fault that Apple are no longer seen as a Great Innovator

kidspud · 26-11-2013, 08:06

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I've never had any issues with the one on my old laptop.

It may not work say 1 in 20 times but that's prob because I have eczema and dry skin.

The laptop was also 5+ years old.

My HP is around 2 years old, and as I've said, on a good day worked every time. It did (I've now turned it off) on a bad day become very problematic, although I'm sure there could be many reasons for that.

However, it is the "move you finger across the sensor" type, so not the same solution as apple.

The 20% failure claim in the article linked is completely flawed. Maybe the poster who provided the link didn't read it beforehand.

alanwarwic · 26-11-2013, 08:49

I'm sure it will work fine for most, maybe for a long while too.
Hilarious that you disparage for not having stats when there were stats which you now disparage.

It is certainly as useful as that 'very small amount' that 'tell them nothing' Apple comment with most times there are problems. Interestingly Microsoft look to be copying that 'very small amount' statement too.

swordman · 26-11-2013, 09:08

You will probably need to wait until Apple tell everyone what the official figures is, before it can be taken at all seriously.

I am sure they won't be tweaked in any way

kidspud · 26-11-2013, 09:56

Glad you stand by the figures. It goes so well for you when you hang on the views of others

Twice in one thread, let's see if we can make it 3

Stuart_h · 26-11-2013, 09:57

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Originally Posted by calico_pie

10's of thousands?

You think that's bad? Try searching for "Galaxy S4 gives you cancer". 10's of millions of returns!

Google "calico talks rubbish" and you get 41,900,000 hits

(I kid you not

)

konebyvax · 26-11-2013, 10:03

Still think it is a silly gimmick and a poor substitute for a bigger screen size, whether it works perfectly or not.

4" retina screen and finger print scanner or 4.5"/4.7" Retina screen and no finger print scanner for same price/ overall dimensions? No brainer, surely. Unless you are the type to look at the finger print scanner all the time as opposed to the screen

calico_pie · 26-11-2013, 10:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stuart_h

Google "calico talks rubbish" and you get 41,900,000 hits

(I kid you not

)

There's a lesson in here somewhere.

calico_pie · 26-11-2013, 10:47

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Originally Posted by konebyvax

Still think it is a silly gimmick and a poor substitute for a bigger screen size, whether it works perfectly or not.

4" retina screen and finger print scanner or 4.5"/4.7" Retina screen and no finger print scanner for same price/ overall dimensions? No brainer, surely. Unless you are the type to look at the finger print scanner all the time as opposed to the screen

Only if "gimmick" now means "something practical that most users will use on a regular basis". Which, frankly, is unlikely.

Also, its not a substitute for a bigger screen - that seems a very odd way to look at it.

Stuart_h · 26-11-2013, 10:50

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Originally Posted by calico_pie

There's a lesson in here somewhere.

Indeed

However if you google "calico speaks the truth" you only get 31,700,000 hits therefore scientifically PROVING (beyond any doubt) that you talk rubbish more than you speak to truth

.... I thank you ....

... And for my next tricks I will prove that black IS white and that 1+1=3

kidspud · 26-11-2013, 10:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stuart_h

Indeed

However if you google "calico speaks the truth" you only get 31,700,000 hits therefore scientifically PROVING (beyond any doubt) that you talk rubbish more than you speak to truth

.... I thank you ....

... And for my next tricks I will prove that black IS white and that 1+1=3

Brilliant.

swordman · 26-11-2013, 13:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by calico_pie

There's a lesson in here somewhere.

Yes stop talking rubbish

konebyvax · 26-11-2013, 13:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by calico_pie

Only if "gimmick" now means "something practical that most users will use on a regular basis". Which, frankly, is unlikely.

Also, its not a substitute for a bigger screen - that seems a very odd way to look at it.

Fact is they wouldn't be able to incorporate both the finger print scanner on the front of the phone and a bigger screen without compromising their beliefs as to alleged useability/size so in effect it really is a substitute for a bigger screen.

kidspud · 26-11-2013, 14:03

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Originally Posted by konebyvax

Fact is they wouldn't be able to incorporate both the finger print scanner on the front of the phone and a bigger screen without compromising their beliefs as to alleged useability/size so in effect it really is a substitute for a bigger screen.

So they will compromise, just like every other phone provider.

It is stating the obvious that if they make a bigger phone, it will mean the one hand usability will be compromised. That doesn't mean you shouldn't do it.

Also, if they can find a way of embedding the fingerprint sensor into the screen, that may be a solution.

swordman · 26-11-2013, 14:21

Not before such screen technology moved on at which point it may be pointless anyway.

kidspud · 26-11-2013, 14:24

Screen technology is constantly moving on, just like every other technology.

Don't understand the pointless comment.

Mark in Essex · 26-11-2013, 14:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by kidspud

If they can find a way of embedding the fingerprint sensor into the screen, that may be a solution.

They could have the fingerprint recognition on the back of the phone or even have it on the front of the phone but use the old slide finger across the sensor method that uses a lot less space.

Chrysalis · 26-11-2013, 14:57

apples business model has always been the same.

overcharge for hardware, to sell use for its software.

samsung competition has put a dent in that although even with amsung in the market apple are still making very good profits.

I agree that lawsuits and such is just childish, bad for the consumer etc. But it seems apple want exclusivty on features so as such will keep doing these practices.

kidspud · 26-11-2013, 15:21

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Originally Posted by Chrysalis

I agree that lawsuits and such is just childish, bad for the consumer etc. But it seems apple want exclusivty on features so as such will keep doing these practices.

Yes, because apple is the only tech company that goes to court to protect its ip

Stiggles · 26-11-2013, 15:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by calico_pie

10's of thousands?

You think that's bad? Try searching for "Galaxy S4 gives you cancer". 10's of millions of returns!

Actually 383 million results came back!

Stiggles · 26-11-2013, 15:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stuart_h

Google "calico talks rubbish" and you get 41,900,000 hits

(I kid you not

)

Haha!!

swordman · 26-11-2013, 15:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by kidspud

Screen technology is constantly moving on, just like every other technology.

Don't understand the pointless comment.

Your claim that they could put it under the glass for the next iphone and your inability to understand why that can't be done, sums you up better than I ever could hope to

kidspud · 26-11-2013, 15:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by swordman

Your claim that they could put it under the glass for the next iphone and you inability to understand why that can't be done, sums you up better than I ever could hope to

What claim? Who has mention the next iPhone or whether that tech is possible or not?

I've no doubt anyone could sum me up better than you could.

I look forward to you explaining why this can't be done as your knowledge of the future is bound to be good for a laugh.

kidspud · 26-11-2013, 15:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark in Essex

They could have the fingerprint recognition on the back of the phone or even have it on the front of the phone but use the old slide finger across the sensor method that uses a lot less space.

They could. Although the solution used on the 5s is more elegant.

kidspud · 26-11-2013, 15:53

Looks like they are already thinking about embedding touch id into the screen.

Swordman should drop them a line and tell them it isn't possible.

http://www.unwiredview.com/2013/11/2...-a-patent-app/

alanwarwic · 26-11-2013, 16:05

Some more on that great plan to make everything Linux based economically unviable.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/11...x_linux_cloud/
“The attack is taxing Linux-based platforms so they are [no longer] economical”

Seems Dropbox have joined the Open Invention Network as they see the risk to themselves in their innovation.
Monopolization is what it is all about.

26-11-2013, 08:06	#451
kidspud Forum Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 11,501	Quote: Originally Posted by Mark in Essex I've never had any issues with the one on my old laptop. It may not work say 1 in 20 times but that's prob because I have eczema and dry skin. The laptop was also 5+ years old. My HP is around 2 years old, and as I've said, on a good day worked every time. It did (I've now turned it off) on a bad day become very problematic, although I'm sure there could be many reasons for that. However, it is the "move you finger across the sensor" type, so not the same solution as apple. The 20% failure claim in the article linked is completely flawed. Maybe the poster who provided the link didn't read it beforehand.

26-11-2013, 08:49	#452
alanwarwic Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: the wild world web Posts: 28,132	I'm sure it will work fine for most, maybe for a long while too. Hilarious that you disparage for not having stats when there were stats which you now disparage. It is certainly as useful as that 'very small amount' that 'tell them nothing' Apple comment with most times there are problems. Interestingly Microsoft look to be copying that 'very small amount' statement too.

26-11-2013, 09:08	#453
swordman Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 6,342	You will probably need to wait until Apple tell everyone what the official figures is, before it can be taken at all seriously. I am sure they won't be tweaked in any way

26-11-2013, 09:56	#454
kidspud Forum Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 11,501	Glad you stand by the figures. It goes so well for you when you hang on the views of others Twice in one thread, let's see if we can make it 3

26-11-2013, 09:57	#455
Stuart_h Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 3,474	Quote: Originally Posted by calico_pie 10's of thousands? You think that's bad? Try searching for "Galaxy S4 gives you cancer". 10's of millions of returns! Google "calico talks rubbish" and you get 41,900,000 hits (I kid you not )

26-11-2013, 10:03	#456
konebyvax Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Ignoringtrollsville Posts: 7,875	Still think it is a silly gimmick and a poor substitute for a bigger screen size, whether it works perfectly or not. 4" retina screen and finger print scanner or 4.5"/4.7" Retina screen and no finger print scanner for same price/ overall dimensions? No brainer, surely. Unless you are the type to look at the finger print scanner all the time as opposed to the screen

26-11-2013, 10:43	#457
calico_pie Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 9,428	Quote: Originally Posted by Stuart_h Google "calico talks rubbish" and you get 41,900,000 hits (I kid you not ) There's a lesson in here somewhere.

26-11-2013, 10:47	#458
calico_pie Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 9,428	Quote: Originally Posted by konebyvax Still think it is a silly gimmick and a poor substitute for a bigger screen size, whether it works perfectly or not. 4" retina screen and finger print scanner or 4.5"/4.7" Retina screen and no finger print scanner for same price/ overall dimensions? No brainer, surely. Unless you are the type to look at the finger print scanner all the time as opposed to the screen Only if "gimmick" now means "something practical that most users will use on a regular basis". Which, frankly, is unlikely. Also, its not a substitute for a bigger screen - that seems a very odd way to look at it.

26-11-2013, 10:50	#459
Stuart_h Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 3,474	Quote: Originally Posted by calico_pie There's a lesson in here somewhere. Indeed However if you google "calico speaks the truth" you only get 31,700,000 hits therefore scientifically PROVING (beyond any doubt) that you talk rubbish more than you speak to truth .... I thank you .... ... And for my next tricks I will prove that black IS white and that 1+1=3

26-11-2013, 10:54	#460
kidspud Forum Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 11,501	Quote: Originally Posted by Stuart_h Indeed However if you google "calico speaks the truth" you only get 31,700,000 hits therefore scientifically PROVING (beyond any doubt) that you talk rubbish more than you speak to truth .... I thank you .... ... And for my next tricks I will prove that black IS white and that 1+1=3 Brilliant.

26-11-2013, 13:15	#461
swordman Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 6,342	Quote: Originally Posted by calico_pie There's a lesson in here somewhere. Yes stop talking rubbish

26-11-2013, 13:53	#462
konebyvax Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Ignoringtrollsville Posts: 7,875	Quote: Originally Posted by calico_pie Only if "gimmick" now means "something practical that most users will use on a regular basis". Which, frankly, is unlikely. Also, its not a substitute for a bigger screen - that seems a very odd way to look at it. Fact is they wouldn't be able to incorporate both the finger print scanner on the front of the phone and a bigger screen without compromising their beliefs as to alleged useability/size so in effect it really is a substitute for a bigger screen.

26-11-2013, 14:03	#463
kidspud Forum Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 11,501	Quote: Originally Posted by konebyvax Fact is they wouldn't be able to incorporate both the finger print scanner on the front of the phone and a bigger screen without compromising their beliefs as to alleged useability/size so in effect it really is a substitute for a bigger screen. So they will compromise, just like every other phone provider. It is stating the obvious that if they make a bigger phone, it will mean the one hand usability will be compromised. That doesn't mean you shouldn't do it. Also, if they can find a way of embedding the fingerprint sensor into the screen, that may be a solution.

26-11-2013, 14:21	#464
swordman Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 6,342	Not before such screen technology moved on at which point it may be pointless anyway.

26-11-2013, 14:24	#465
kidspud Forum Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 11,501	Screen technology is constantly moving on, just like every other technology. Don't understand the pointless comment.

26-11-2013, 14:45	#466
Mark in Essex Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 3,644	Quote: Originally Posted by kidspud If they can find a way of embedding the fingerprint sensor into the screen, that may be a solution. They could have the fingerprint recognition on the back of the phone or even have it on the front of the phone but use the old slide finger across the sensor method that uses a lot less space.

26-11-2013, 14:57	#467
Chrysalis Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Leics Posts: 581	apples business model has always been the same. overcharge for hardware, to sell use for its software. samsung competition has put a dent in that although even with amsung in the market apple are still making very good profits. I agree that lawsuits and such is just childish, bad for the consumer etc. But it seems apple want exclusivty on features so as such will keep doing these practices.

26-11-2013, 15:21	#468
kidspud Forum Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 11,501	Quote: Originally Posted by Chrysalis I agree that lawsuits and such is just childish, bad for the consumer etc. But it seems apple want exclusivty on features so as such will keep doing these practices. Yes, because apple is the only tech company that goes to court to protect its ip

26-11-2013, 15:31	#469
Stiggles Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Dundee, Scotland Posts: 9,293	Quote: Originally Posted by calico_pie 10's of thousands? You think that's bad? Try searching for "Galaxy S4 gives you cancer". 10's of millions of returns! Actually 383 million results came back!

26-11-2013, 15:32	#470
Stiggles Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Dundee, Scotland Posts: 9,293	Quote: Originally Posted by Stuart_h Google "calico talks rubbish" and you get 41,900,000 hits (I kid you not ) Haha!!

26-11-2013, 15:34	#471
swordman Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 6,342	Quote: Originally Posted by kidspud Screen technology is constantly moving on, just like every other technology. Don't understand the pointless comment. Your claim that they could put it under the glass for the next iphone and your inability to understand why that can't be done, sums you up better than I ever could hope to

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26-11-2013, 15:42	#472
kidspud Forum Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 11,501	Quote: Originally Posted by swordman Your claim that they could put it under the glass for the next iphone and you inability to understand why that can't be done, sums you up better than I ever could hope to What claim? Who has mention the next iPhone or whether that tech is possible or not? I've no doubt anyone could sum me up better than you could. I look forward to you explaining why this can't be done as your knowledge of the future is bound to be good for a laugh.

26-11-2013, 15:44	#473
kidspud Forum Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 11,501	Quote: Originally Posted by Mark in Essex They could have the fingerprint recognition on the back of the phone or even have it on the front of the phone but use the old slide finger across the sensor method that uses a lot less space. They could. Although the solution used on the 5s is more elegant.

26-11-2013, 15:53	#474
kidspud Forum Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 11,501	Looks like they are already thinking about embedding touch id into the screen. Swordman should drop them a line and tell them it isn't possible. http://www.unwiredview.com/2013/11/2...-a-patent-app/

26-11-2013, 16:05	#475
alanwarwic Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: the wild world web Posts: 28,132	Some more on that great plan to make everything Linux based economically unviable. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/11...x_linux_cloud/ “The attack is taxing Linux-based platforms so they are [no longer] economical” Seems Dropbox have joined the Open Invention Network as they see the risk to themselves in their innovation. Monopolization is what it is all about.