So the only thing that was new was a much improved user experience.

I think it's a left brain / right brain thing where the more technically minded don't place much importance on that because that's not how their wired. Just as more creative types can get bamboozled by more technical, mathematical stuff.

Wow, what an incredible statement.

Creative types can get bamboozled by maths?

Your posts never cease to amuse me

"I think therefore iPhone"

For the sake of keeping it brief it was a sweeping generalisation to make the point, but I assume you are both familiar with the general idea?

Another difference, albeit a sweeping generalisation, is the way some people take things too literally at the expense of a general point.

By introductions the multitouch display they completely changed the way we interact with the device including how the OS acted with the user, how information was displayed, the integration, etc, etc. if that isn't major innovation, I'm now wondering what posters expectations are.

On that basis, I'm now wondering if any phone company has ever shown any innovation.

I looked at the Sony Ericsson referenced on here and I can see nothing that had not already been done before, so I assume that had no innovation in it.

Fair enough. I suppose the screen was an innovation. No idea if anybody else was planning the same sort of thing but, regardless of the screen, I didn't see much about the iPhone which made it significantly better than my iPaq.

The app' store could possibly be seen as an innovation too, if it wasn't for the fact that the restrictions it placed on the user made it a benefit and a hindrance in equal measures.

This post seems like a no brain thing.

Capacitive touch goes back to 1965 yet many people still prod with one finger.

Fact was that success of the iPod meant Apple could price them high enough to sell.
That simply happens with everything with the also once expensive LCD TV being a case in point.

With phones,maybe Apple look like 'a little boy with a finger in the dike'.
Is/was anyone claiming ownership of TVs like Apple are with phones?

Apple, in 2020 we will look back on them "fondly" and remember the letter I

Are you really not familiar with the idea that some different people use the left or right parts of their brains more than the other side, and that one group tends to be more creative, less mathematical and vice versa?

I honestly think that principle explains a lot about these sorts of discussions.

I don't know why people get so defensive about these company's. They only care about profits at the end of the day.

Apple are not ripping off so many mobile phone buyers these days, so that has to be a good thing.

Samsung do copy others. They copy Sony, they copy LG, they copy Apple, they copy everyone and everything. If they made food they'd copy McDonalds. It's what they do.

However, when the end result is that consumers get real choice rather than having to rely on one player what's the problem?

As for Apple's reputation as innovators suffering, the narrative being peddled by the likes of Gartner, IDC, and Wall St. entities do far more on that score than Samsung does. IDC and Gartner even openly admit they add millions of completely imaginary sales as "white box" Android devices every quarter to skew the market share stats. What's the point of that unless to give the impression that iOS isn't doing as well as it actually is?

Really? Complete change?

Describe ONE thing that "completely changed". The only change I can think of is pinch zooming. Which we already had before on Windows in 2003.

Tapping on an application icon to launch the app? Selecting a menu item by clicking on it? Clicking on an item to select it using your finger? Yep, completely new. Nobody had ever thought of that before the iPhone...

You missed the part where apple copy and LG copy and Sony copy etc etc..


So it's all made up then? Is that what your saying?

What has "nobody thought of that before the iPhone" got to do with it.

Innovation is not invention. Posters keep referring to phones (and PDAs) which were around the same time as the iPhone release. Let someone suggest the best one they feel can be put alongside the iPhone on its release and let's see how it compares.

However much people have a dislike for Apple, to deny they didn't innovation by introducing the iPhone is just plane silly.

Anything is innovation if you want it to be.
e.g. Controlling the price of the cheap to make 5c is an innovative way to both maintain sales of the 5s and keep the premium perception.
Yes, the prolific Apple use of the word 'innovation' is used to make us perceive it as 'invention'. I said from the start that these trials are part marketing.

And some might now say that Apple simply wanted to halt evolution/innovation in smartphones, very much like Intel and MS managed to halt evolution in Netbooks. You could also debate whether Apple were more forced into rather than willingly launched that Mini Retina.

As has been said several times now "innovation" and "invention" are two different things. Just because yourself and others choose to wrongly interpret the word isn't Apple's fault.

Why on earth would Apple want to halt evolution/innovation in smartphones? It might not be in the form of new products or new designs (that isn't the definition of innovation either), but I think there's still plenty of evolution and innovation in Apple products.

For all the talk about how the current iPhone is essentially unchanged from the original iPhone that sometimes crops up, put the two side by side and the difference is clearly night and day.

And what do you mean "forced to launch the Mini Retina"? Why on earth wouldn't they have released one with the retina display?

However evolution and innovation are two different things too. There's no lack of evolution in the tech industry - It's the fuel that drives it all. But there is very little true innovation. Let alone useful innovation that's game changing, which is embraced by Joe Public.

Sure, but I was just quoting Alan.

A good example of innovation in the new iPhone is the flash for the camera.

Its not as headline grabbing as a new design, but I'd say its definitely innovative. But because its a relatively minor thing in the scheme of things it doesn't get any attention.

I think away from all the media noise about Apple's lack of innovation, it does still exist, just not in ways that the media narrative might prefer.

Apple are still innovating really?

Innovation is about meeting the needs and requirements that already exist and finding ways to meet them. If is not deciding what your willing to do and passing this of as new invention of innovation.

For example Samsung realise there is a desire for larger screens bit not larger phones, solution bigger screen in a smaller phone.

Apple know that most iPhone users want a larger screen, solution a different flash for the camera.

Slight difference

That flash isn't really that good though, is it? So 10/10 for making something out to be innovative when it doesn't really move the game on at all. If they'd put in a truly useful flash (ie. a xenon unit) then it wouldn't be "innovative", it would just work better.

I've compared my 4S against an old 2nd gen Touch. And there really isn't a lot of difference at all. Nicer screen, faster processor. Thats about it. Overall usage, interface, etc. is pretty much identical.

And of course Apple innovate in other ways. They produce OS updates that make old phones into a laggy clunky mess (iOS 7 on the 4 & 4S really doesn't work that well at all).

That's funny...look what Apple said when they launched the iPhone.

I think what he really meant to say was Apple have run out of design features to copy.

nothing grand about those claims

LOL @ the Samsung shills on this forum.