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What a trouper - Mark
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Sofajudge
19-11-2013
What a lovely dancing/performing couple they are. I could watch him happily for a couple more weeks. It is a painful injury too so all respect to him.

Annoying though when it's being said that it shouldn't be mentioned because it might make Natalie look bad and that a celebs lack of dance training shouldn't be mentioned for the same reason. It's not all about Natalie and it seems they, quite rightly, want to keep her on the show anyway.
Doghouse Riley
19-11-2013
Originally Posted by coppertop1:
“Well that is the most ridiculous medical statement I have ever read on this board.

Cartiage is attached to the ends of bones and therefore under no circumstance can it pop out.

It can:

Wear out
Tear
Rip
Grow too much

But it cannot pop out

My guess is that being overweight and of a certain age, Mark's cartilage has worn quite thin and has as he said torn.

The tearing will then lead to instability of the knees for which he needs the heavy duty knee supports which he has been wearing.”

Err..

If you'd noticed I put "popping out" in inverted commas, so that those unaware of the problems would understand better. Yes the the strapping keeps the lower half of the joint supported and prevents excessive movement causing pain from the grinding action. The cartilage can also become partially detached.
If you don't agree, ask your own doctor.
holly berry
19-11-2013
Yes, he is a trooper. I was wondering what was going on with his knees. I guess it's good to hear if from the horse's mouth so to speak. I don't agree that he is playing a late sympathy card because I don't think that's in his nature. It also explains why he can't do lifts etc. Loving his relationship with Iveta, too. Hope they are both on the tour ( if his knees can stand it) but I have a feeling that Craig doesn't want him. Strange because he's a much better all round entertainer than Lisa Riley.
Pices-55
19-11-2013
Originally Posted by Sofajudge:
“What a lovely dancing/performing couple they are. I could watch him happily for a couple more weeks. It is a painful injury too so all respect to him.

Annoying though when it's being said that it shouldn't be mentioned because it might make Natalie look bad and that a celebs lack of dance training shouldn't be mentioned for the same reason. It's not all about Natalie and it seems they, quite rightly, want to keep her on the show anyway.”

Nobody has said that it should not be mentioned, its just a wee bit strange that all the other injuries (there have been quite a few) were not discussed or dramatised as were Natalie's.Why not discuss Mark's injuries at the time, as for the ever mentioned lack of dance experience....its become like a stuck record and may not even be the truth.
Sofajudge
19-11-2013
Originally Posted by Pices-55:
“Nobody has said that it should not be mentioned, its just a wee bit strange that all the other injuries (there have been quite a few) were not discussed or dramatised as were Natalie's.Why not discuss Mark's injuries at the time, as for the ever mentioned lack of dance experience....its become like a stuck record and may not even be the truth.”

Lack of dance experience is always mentioned, every series. And I've no idea why Mark's injuries weren't mentioned at the time but I'm glad that finally we know why he cant do lifts etc.

There have been complaints of it being mentioned if you read back.
coppertop1
19-11-2013
Nice back track. I think what I have written is not only accurate it is easily understood by the average FM.

Why don't we go with what we know

Mark has said he is wearing knee braces because he has torn his cartilage.

I think it is always better to remain grounded in reality rather than invent things.
Katenutzs
19-11-2013
Originally Posted by Monkseal:
“He's definitely been storing it up for weeks to use as a slur against Natalie right now, when she's at her most vulnerable and drugged up. Did people catch him making a dig at Ben going shirtless as well? SHAMELESS. No wonder he's always in the bottom 2. Vile man.

(Am I doing it right?)”

How nasty but then typical of a certain persons supporter, and he said he would go bottomless not topless

Lets face it she is not slow and telling us about her ill health is she ...
Pices-55
19-11-2013
Originally Posted by Sofajudge:
“Lack of dance experience is always mentioned, every series. And I've no idea why Mark's injuries weren't mentioned at the time but I'm glad that finally we know why he cant do lifts etc.

There have been complaints of it being mentioned if you read back.”

I too am glad that we know what Mark's issues are, but I would have liked to have known at the time it happened as I always thought it was unfair of them to focus on Natalie's injuries as it was obvious she just wanted to get on with it.
All her interviews on ITT were dominated by questions regarding her health and injuries.My complaints are not with Mark in any way but with the production team singling her out for all the drama when there appears to have been quite a few injuries.
aggs
19-11-2013
Originally Posted by Katenutzs:
“How nasty but then typical of a certain persons supporter, and he said he would go bottomless not topless

Lets face it she is not slow and telling us about her ill health is she ...”

You do know that Monkseal was making fun of that sort of post don't you

Or are you making fun of Monkseal making fun and it's just whooshed over my head
Sofajudge
19-11-2013
Originally Posted by Pices-55:
“I too am glad that we know what Mark's issues are, but I would have liked to have known at the time it happened as I always thought it was unfair of them to focus on Natalie's injuries as it was obvious she just wanted to get on with it.
All her interviews on ITT were dominated by questions regarding her health and injuries.My complaints are not with Mark in any way but with the production team singling her out for all the drama when there appears to have been quite a few injuries.”

They had to the week before last though as she had a by, so I doubt anyone would look on her less favourably due to that.
Pet Monkey
19-11-2013
Mark's a pretty chatty tweeter too. Makes his reticence on this subject the more remarkable. A couple of the celebrities and Pros have really come across well this series.
BuddyBontheNet
19-11-2013
Originally Posted by J.R:
“Had he left on Saturday - as he totally expected to - we wouldn't have known at all. I think he just relented and answered the question - probably knowing he is almost certain to go this week. He was asked the direct question - answered it honestly and then moved on from it.
As far as Natalie is concerned my personal opinion is that she has been manipulated by TPTB because she too always wants to brush over the subject.”

I agree 100%. It still doesn't make me feel comfortable about the timing. Just maybe manipulated by the producers.

Originally Posted by Monkseal:
“He's definitely been storing it up for weeks to use as a slur against Natalie right now, when she's at her most vulnerable and drugged up. Did people catch him making a dig at Ben going shirtless as well? SHAMELESS. No wonder he's always in the bottom 2. Vile man.
(Am I doing it right?)”

Behave you!

Originally Posted by Bonnie96:
“With Mark not wanting the 'sympathy vote' (his words) or the injury even mentioned, the judges couldn't take it into consideration but now they can.
I think the timing is just right having just performed arguably the toughest dance in respect of his knee injury.
(BIB - Zoe?)”

Yes, I meant Zoe! The judges shouldn't take it into consideration when marking though, except to perhaps accept it as the reason why some elements of a dance might be missing (like lifts in the AS). They score what they see - or they should do, but this series shows anything can happen.

Originally Posted by Sofajudge:
“...Annoying though when it's being said that it shouldn't be mentioned because it might make Natalie look bad and that a celebs lack of dance training shouldn't be mentioned for the same reason. It's not all about Natalie and it seems they, quite rightly, want to keep her on the show anyway.”

No one is saying it shouldn't be mentioned.
Sofajudge
19-11-2013
Originally Posted by BuddyBontheNet:
“No one is saying it shouldn't be mentioned.”

I did clarify my comment to Pices further up the thread.
SCD-Observer
19-11-2013
Originally Posted by An Thropologist:
“God bless him, I went all gooey.”

So glad he lasted until now! Hope he gets his knee sorted out after the show. I mean, he has to do Hairspray, like every weeknight?

*RESPECT*
BuddyBontheNet
19-11-2013
Originally Posted by Sofajudge:
“I did clarify my comment to Pices further up the thread.”

Sorry, I didn't realise that's what you meant. Must admit I thought Mark's weight would be the reason he didn't do any lifts. Personally I don't think his routines have suffered from lack of lifts, etc. I think Iveta's choreography for Mark is brilliant, although I hated the CCC and Paso routines. I honestly believe the producers forced her down those routes.
BuddyBontheNet
19-11-2013
Originally Posted by SCD-Observer:
“So glad he lasted until now! Hope he gets his knee sorted out after the show. I mean, he has to do Hairspray, like every weeknight?

*RESPECT*”

I'm glad he clarified his routine on Saturday night wasn't full of Hairspray moves. Some people will grab at anything to pick fault.
SCD-Observer
19-11-2013
Originally Posted by boab34:
“he said he would go bottomless, so no dig at Ben ”

A dig at Robbie Savage!
mimi dlc
19-11-2013
I'm surprised he hasn't done any lifts, I mean look at the size of Iveta.
I could raise her 6 inches off the ground by just staring at her!
Jan2555*GG*
19-11-2013
Originally Posted by mimi dlc:
“I'm surprised he hasn't done any lifts, I mean look at the size of Iveta.
I could raise her 6 inches off the ground by just staring at her!”

Still put too much strain on the knees I expect
Sofajudge
19-11-2013
Originally Posted by BuddyBontheNet:
“Sorry, I didn't realise that's what you meant. Must admit I thought Mark's weight would be the reason he didn't do any lifts. Personally I don't think his routines have suffered from lack of lifts, etc. I think Iveta's choreography for Mark is brilliant, although I hated the CCC and Paso routines. I honestly believe the producers forced her down those routes.”

Hey that's fine. I thought his knee supports were down to weight issues too. I hope this week, which I guess is likely to be his last, that he goes out with a bang. I shall miss him.
edy10
19-11-2013
Originally Posted by Katenutzs:
“How nasty but then typical of a certain persons supporter, and he said he would go bottomless not topless

Lets face it she is not slow and telling us about her ill health is she ...”

That was sarcasm Katenutzs.
Last edited by edy10 : 19-11-2013 at 22:57
Jan2555*GG*
19-11-2013
Originally Posted by Katenutzs:
“How nasty but then typical of a certain persons supporter, and he said he would go bottomless not topless

Lets face it she is not slow and telling us about her ill health is she ...”

Monkseal doesn't mean it, he was being sarcastic. He is very much a fan of Mark & Iveta.....well mostly Iveta
BuddyBontheNet
19-11-2013
Originally Posted by Sofajudge:
“Hey that's fine. I thought his knee supports were down to weight issues too. I hope this week, which I guess is likely to be his last, that he goes out with a bang. I shall miss him.”

He might hang on a bit longer because he's doing a Foxtrot and his Ballroom has been better than his Latin. At least he's not doing the Quickstep.
katmobile
20-11-2013
Originally Posted by Pices-55:
“Oh yes indeed, I believe there have been numerous injuries this year and yet they only focused on Natalie. I always thought they were causing Natalie more harm than good with all the drama and i found some of their filming far too intrusive.”

I think the problem is that with Natalie her problems have impacted on the show - her non-appearance last week had to be explained and the fact that she'd been in hospital the week her back went and it was a tad touch and go if she was going to be appearing meant they couldn't be under a rug swept - Mark's problems are a bit more run of the mill.

I love both of them - and my comments on another thread and watching people do what I can't runs double for Mark - since I'm overweight then seeing someone who is probably more overweight than me dancing and doing pretty well for a man of his size is inspiring.
katmobile
20-11-2013
Originally Posted by Katenutzs:
“How nasty but then typical of a certain persons supporter, and he said he would go bottomless not topless

Lets face it she is not slow and telling us about her ill health is she ...”

Read Monkseal's blog and you'll understand that at least half the time his tongue is pretty firmly in his cheek. Actually read MS's blog anyway if you have not done so already it's a treat.
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