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Tegra Note £155 (Tegra 4)
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macca2002
31-12-2013
I was in one of the big retailers (not the apple store) shortly after the retina ipad was released, the display table had a number of the old and new iPads laid out and a crowd of people around comparing models. The sales rep proudly presented the new retina ipad display saying it was a big improvement on the old non retina model, people around the table agreed saying they could really see the difference. When the q subsided I had a look and noticed that the one they all admired was in fact the old model and was comparing it to the new one. The sales rep was very embarrassed and ran off.
This is not an apple versus android comment, there where a range of ages and looked to be different levels of experience in the use of tablets.
I do wonder how much of the professional and non professional comments are based upon specs and not real world experience. I don't know the answer but would be extremely interested to find out how much benefit would be gained from the slightly higher res specs if I have less than perfect eyesight?
IanP
01-01-2014
Originally Posted by alan1302:
“It's a bit like putting a sportscar engine in a family hatchback. Fast but not as good as it could be.

For me I would still rather have a slower processor and a higher res screen like the Nexus 7. I get plenty of real world benefit from a higher res screen.”

The screen on the Tegra Note 7 is high resolution when compared to the likes of your average laptop, a 15.6" WXGA (1366x768) screen has 100 pixels per inch, the Tegra Note 7" HD (1280 x 800) screen has 215 pixels per inch. A full HD screen like the Nexus 7 will be better but not by a huge amount. A sports car engine in a family hatchback at a hatchback price is a better deal than a hatchback engine in a sports car at the sports car price.
alanwarwic
01-01-2014
Originally Posted by IanP:
“...the Tegra Note 7" HD (1280 x 800) screen has 215 pixels per inch. A full HD screen like the Nexus 7 will be better but not by a huge amount.”

Is not being able to see twice as much data on screen a huge amount?
Even on a phone 720p is middle range but it is surely the s-pen capability that makes this a good buy.

It compensates for the cheap screen.
IanP
01-01-2014
Text and video already looks great on my Tegra Note 7 compared to my laptop. I'm not sure how much more improvement can be gained at normal viewing distance on a 7" screen.
alanwarwic
01-01-2014
Originally Posted by IanP:
“..normal viewing distance on a 7" screen...”

So its abnormal to have the screen an inch or 2 closer when high resolution?
And I do wonder if anyone at all actually knows if they are this 'normal'.

And did you know that 20/20 vision is 'below normal'?
Many have 20/15 or even as good as 20/10.

And glasses wearers can achieve 20/10 too if they wish.
Voynich
01-01-2014
Originally Posted by IanP:
“Text and video already looks great on my Tegra Note 7 compared to my laptop. I'm not sure how much more improvement can be gained at normal viewing distance on a 7" screen.”

Cosmetically the higher resolutions do look much better. I think text is crisper and pictures look better. But anyone who thinks the ultra higher resolutions on 7" tablets/phones give more 'space' for the layout of web pages etc. doesn't understand the LCD density setting on Android . The higher the res, the larger the OS makes text and pictures else things would be far too tiny to read on a 7" screen!
jonmorris
01-01-2014
Originally Posted by andersonsonson:
“you can't get a really high resolution for £150. The new Nexus has a sharp display but is a slow device compared to other, don't know why Google didn't go for Snapdragon 800 or T4”

Snapdragon 600 is just fine. Albeit underclocked for battery life.

And I'll admit I was somewhat skeptical about a 5 inch full-HD screen, but after using the Xperia Z/Z1, Galaxy S4 and even the smaller-screened HTC One, I can honestly say you can see the difference.

I do wish more devices would let you adjust the screen DPI settings though, as some tablets don't make best use of the larger screen (and I reviewed one that was the other extreme, with miniscule text and icons). Another issue is that when you output a native 1080p smartphone image to a TV, you end up with everything looking like a Fisher-price device! Tablets are usually a bit better in this regard.

Tegra 4 is a good chipset. I was in Las Vegas for the launch and saw the Project Shield for the first time. But Nvidia has really failed to entice anyone to use it, which says quite a lot. I have no idea what will be announced in a week or so. Tegra 5? How popular will that be?
IanP
01-01-2014
Originally Posted by jonmorris:
“Tegra 4 is a good chipset. I was in Las Vegas for the launch and saw the Project Shield for the first time. But Nvidia has really failed to entice anyone to use it, which says quite a lot. I have no idea what will be announced in a week or so. Tegra 5? How popular will that be?”

Tegra 4 is used in the Asus TF701, HP Slatebook x2, Slate7 extreme, Slate8 Pro, Slate 21 all-in-one, Kobo Arc 10HD, Toshiba Excite Pro, Excite Write and Microsoft Surface 2.

Tegra 5 (codename Logan) should go into production very soon with the first devices expected in the first half of the year.
Quote:
“ Jen-Hsun Huang (Nvidia CEO) also admitted that customers will be delighted by the manufacturer that will produce these first Tegra 4i and Tegra 5 devices.”

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Nvidi...f-2014_id49351
IanP
06-01-2014
If anybody else is awake and interested the Nvidia CES 2014 press conference will be streaming here live at 8pm PST (4am GMT).
IanP
06-01-2014
Nvidia have been dropping hints about the number 192 with a crop circle this could be about a 192 core Kepler GPU in the Tegra 5.
IanP
06-01-2014
So 192 was a reference to the next generation of Tegra chip but because of the major advance it's not called Tegra 5, it's the Tegra K1. It has the Kepler 192 CUDA Cores GPU and two configurations, either quad A15 Arm cores or Dual V8 Arm 64 bit Denver cores. Android running on a 64 bit Tegra K1 chip (only a few days old) was demonstrated.

Epic Games are bringing their Unreal Engine 4 games engine to the Tegra K1, allowing games with next generation graphics to run on mobile devices.
jonmorris
06-01-2014
Call me a cynic, but if it had been called Tegra 5, it might have got rather a lot of people asking what happened to Tegra 4.

Despite the huge hype (and I was at the Palms casino this time last year for the impressive launch) it never really enjoyed the success it deserved - although part of that might be down to many developers having less good things to say about Tegra.

I do hope that this time around, and Nvidia is once again getting loads of media attention, we might actually see this appearing in some significant tablet and smartphone releases.

Otherwise it risks being more of a proof of concept that shows off the immense potential, before everyone goes and gets something from Qualcomm...
IanP
06-01-2014
It's interesting that they've chosen to launch their first 64bit Tegra under the same identity as their new 32bit chip with the focus on the GPU architecture. The Denver (64bit) version should make a very nice SOC for Chromebooks, high-end smart TV's and Android all-in-one monitors.

Partnering with Google to bring Android to vehcles through the Open Auto Alliance is also a good move.
IanP
06-01-2014
I wonder if the Tegra Note 7 with K1 and 1080p display reference design tablets Nvidia are using to demo the K1 will be put in to production by their Tegra Note partners. Or maybe it'll become the next Nexus 7.
Voynich
06-01-2014
The power of a PS3 or a an XBox 360 in your hand? Awesome stuff.
alanwarwic
06-01-2014
"...but there will also be a version with dual-core Denver CPUs. ..Denver is a custom design for Nvidia's new ARM-compatible CPU cores"

I guess fashion dictates that ARM are now having to hand out cheaper mid custom designs like there is no tomorrow.
Even ARMs new Cortex A12 has the flavour of their 'customizing' 32 bit options. ARM really prefer to have a big.little trend but that has gotten an emotional killing.

Its a shame for ARM. Intel never had to suffer from false Intel perceptions. In fact I'd say Intel always heavily gained from them.
IanP
23-02-2014
My Tegra Note 7 updated to KitKat 4.4.2 on Saturday, it's nice to see NVIDIA keeping their word on updating the device. They have also announced a version with support for mobile networks is coming, the Tegra Note 7 LTE is launching sometime next quarter.
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