Lucy - do you feel like a piece of meat?

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fog

22-11-2013

Originally Posted by Hairy_Caramel:
“So she blames others for her own vacuous indulges?”

hi Hairy_Caramel. we seem to be in discussion on a couple of threads. cool

as i say i don't agree particularly with Lucy's reasoning. but she obviously feels strongly about it so there you go.

one interesting thing i think is the fact that there are so many people on both sides of the argument on these forums alone, which shows to me that it is indeed a tricky old subject.

Hairy_Caramel

22-11-2013

It's difficult to take her seriously when she poses in her knickers for mags?

kate03

22-11-2013

Originally Posted by fog:
“ hi Hairy_Caramel. we seem to be in discussion on a couple of threads. cool

as i say i don't agree particularly with Lucy's reasoning. but she obviously feels strongly about it so there you go.

one interesting thing i think is the fact that there are so many people on both sides of the argument on these forums alone, which shows to me that it is indeed a tricky old subject.”

Yep....a relative mine field (or WTTE by Matthew)

fog

22-11-2013

Originally Posted by Hairy_Caramel:
“It's difficult to take her seriously when she poses in her knickers for mags?”

yes i'd agree there. in fact i said as much a few comments back. does seem a bit strange for sure.

Dangermoose

22-11-2013

Originally Posted by fog:
“if she was pretending to not have had those things done you'd have a point. in fact they are the very substance of her argument. not an argument I entirely agree with but its real enough to her.”

That was quite irrelevant to the point of Lucy telling Amy she is fuelling a bad example to young girls yet she isn't in this crazy cosmetically enhanced age where young girls feel they have to undergo surgery to fit it/be "beautiful"/gain acceptance?

fog

22-11-2013

Originally Posted by Dangermoose:
“That was quite irrelevant to the point of Lucy telling Amy she is fuelling a bad example to young girls yet she isn't in this crazy cosmetically enhanced age where young girls feel they have to undergo surgery to fit it/be "beautiful"/gain acceptance?”

sorry Dangermoose i've genuinely lost what you're are trying to say there. who said what to who now?

Dangermoose

22-11-2013

Originally Posted by fog:
“sorry Dangermoose i've genuinely lost what you're are trying to say there. who said what to who now? ”

I've no clue fog

fog

22-11-2013

Originally Posted by Dangermoose:
“I've no clue fog ”

this whole subject has broken my brain i think

Dangermoose

22-11-2013

Originally Posted by fog:
“ this whole subject has broken my brain i think ”

Mine was already broke

Sun Tzu.

22-11-2013

You would have thought Amy would have known this about Lucy and pointed it out. It could have really turned the heat up in the discussion.

mrcynical

22-11-2013

Originally Posted by Hairy_Caramel:
“So she blames others for her own vacuous indulges?”

Apparently.

A case of ; 'Look what you made me do to myself'.

firefly_irl

22-11-2013

I wonder would she have asked a glamour model, playboy model etc. the same question, its still seems like people are obsessed with some 1970s feminist attitude towards beauty pageants.

Also if Lucy is so naive she doesn't realise her industry (acting) is as much about looks as it is talent then she is a moron.

norbitonite

22-11-2013

Originally Posted by fog:
“Don't get me wrong I'm not agreeing with all that Lucy said however I think it's more fair to highlight that Lucy's point actually was that the image that constantly stares young impressionable girls in the face as being the most desirable and most attractive is one that for the many is very difficult or impossible to achieve and therefore can lead them to feeling crap about themselves and ending up doing things which they end up regretting when older. Such as having a boob job or injections in the face etc like Lucy herself did as she was uncomfortable with her own looks.

I also however really don't like how it all perhaps inadvertently ended up almost making Amy look or feel like she should apologise for being gorgeous. Which of course is nonsense. She's naturally beautiful and shouldn't hide that or feel bad about that at all.

The whole debate is a tricky one as you can understand it to a degree from both sides. Which is why as big mo said its best to drop the whole thing otherwise it could go on forever ”

I absolutely agree, fog. I also think that Lucy's style of delivery, which is very matter-of-fact and almost curt, has led people to think she is being harsh or bitchy whereas she was possibly just trying to have a discussion.

From where I was sitting (on my sofa, watching an edit that the programme makers have chosen for us), Lucy wasn't blaming Amy or even necessarily judging her, but was wondering if Amy ever felt demeaned by what she did, ie feels that others view her as a piece of meat, or ever questioned the ethical basis of what she does for a living, which is sell an idealised image of how a woman should look.

I can understand why a lot of people are reading into Lucy's motives for asking the questions, but people are inferring and then presenting those inferences as fact and judging Lucy on their opinion of them.

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