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Why should Amy have to apologise for being pretty
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bleary_eyed
21-11-2013
Originally Posted by Betty Britain:
“Well I'd rather my daughter looked up to Rebecca than Amy willerton... I want her to be judged by her achievements not her beauty”

^^^^^ This, by the bucketload
Lucylocket88
21-11-2013
Originally Posted by SegaGamer:
“So what you are saying is you have a problem with her nose ? Don't you think you creating this topic is a bit hypocritical ? You can moan about Rebecca's nose but nobody can moan about Amy being pretty, shouldn't it work both ways ?”

I agree. Rebecca shouldn't need to get a nose job, to please the judgemental people.
trevor tiger
21-11-2013
Originally Posted by lexi22:
“God, I found that whole 'beauty' conversation so tedious. All three - Amy, Lucy and Rebecca - were really getting on my nerves with their sanctimony.

So glad Laila was there to tell them to give it a rest. ”

Except when she told Rebecca she was much better looking than Amy. She really didn't seem to get that Rebecca and Lucy didn't want to be judged on their looks

Originally Posted by Yvie123:
“I think they were commenting on her career choice and the fact that they thought beauty pageants reinforce the idea that women aren't good enough unless they look perfect - not attacking her because she's pretty.
I'm not saying it was necessarily the right time and place for Lucy to take her to task over what she does for a living but in fairness, it wasn't Amy's looks she was knocking, just her making a living from them.
As for Rebecca, I'm really sorry that her self confidence has been brought so low by idiotic people who can probably never hope to achieve a fraction of what she has.
I think the conversation just happened to hit a nerve with her.”

Rebecca is clearly very fragile as a result of the abuse she receives but the only people to blame are those that have the disgusting audacity to do that to her. It felt like Rebecca and Lucy were blaming Amy for this kind of situation existing and yet Lucy herself is involved in this kind of business. I've posted this link a lot but it highlights Lucy's hypocrisy here I believe http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz...es-bikini.html
Wong_Billabong
21-11-2013
I think she felt insecure because Amy was saying how she was natural and it was edited in a way that she was the bitch. They probably wanted a new person to do the trial as they knew how annoyed we got aith Helen last year. But telling her to get a nose job us bloody ridiculous
priscilla
21-11-2013
I found beauty argument strange, glad Laila put an end to it.
Jennyloo
21-11-2013
Originally Posted by SegaGamer:
“I don't understand what you are getting at, you say girls get bullied at school for being pretty which you are clearly against but then say Rebecca should get a nose job. So i guess you are ok with people saying things about people who are less attractive.”

Dont put words in my mouth please.
Rebecca mentioned her nose and that she feels bad about it.
If you really read my post you would see that.
lovelife7292
21-11-2013
Originally Posted by Jennyloo:
“Lots of girls get bullied at school for being pretty.
Thats what I felt was happening to Amy. Just because that women from Emmerdale (is it) feels bad about herself that gives her no excuse to pick on Amy. Like Alphonso said whats wrong with appreciating beauty.
Bitchy women again
Plus if Rebecca feels bad about herself, have a nose job. I know I would.”

So the OP is one of these twitter trolls that Rebecca was talking about then - nothing more than a bully

Reported.
Jimmy Connors
21-11-2013
Originally Posted by Betty Britain:
“Well I'd rather my daughter looked up to Rebecca than Amy willerton... I want her to be judged by her achievements not her beauty”

100% agree.
Joe_Zel
21-11-2013
Originally Posted by IJoinedInMay:
“Her counter-argument would probably be that she felt the pressure to have that cosmetic work done and she resents the fact that pressure existed in the first place.”

But she is in a good position with her career and an influential one too. Why is the onus on Amy who, according to herself at least, is "all natural" and yet Lucy is artificial and doesn't have to do anything to change it?

She can resent the pressure but being in the public eye and contributing to these pressures herself by transforming herself artificially versus a girl who just is what she is just reeks of hypocrisy.

If she was so passionate and mature about it. As she knows it's an unnatural pressure and unrealistic and yet is doing nothing within her own power to challenge these things.
Sun Tzu.
21-11-2013
Originally Posted by CatLuna:
“I'll repeat, how insane, a girl feeling insecure. Lets make her feel worse by telling her to get plastic surgery, brilliant idea.”

If she feels insecure and doesn't like it, then do something about it. Simple really. Rebecca has a thing against her because of her looks.
Betty Britain
21-11-2013
By the way... I don't believe Amy needs to apologise for being pretty.. I never do
StephenMoore
21-11-2013
Originally Posted by Betty Britain:
“Well I'd rather my daughter looked up to Rebecca than Amy willerton... I want her to be judged by her achievements not her beauty”

hah, so now YOU are judging Amy by her looks, assuming that because she is a model she is not a good role model. You don't know Amy so please don't assume these things!
CatLuna
21-11-2013
Originally Posted by Jennyloo:
“Rebecca mentioned her nose and that she feels bad about it.
If you really read my post you would see that.”

We have read your posts but you don't seem to be reading everyone else's.

Why should she feel bad about the way looks, just because people like you think she should get a nose job because she doesn't meet your standard of beauty. You can be insecure about the way you look but not what to to change it.
kimindex
21-11-2013
Originally Posted by Jennyloo:
“Lots of girls get bullied at school for being pretty.
Thats what I felt was happening to Amy. Just because that women from Emmerdale (is it) feels bad about herself that gives her no excuse to pick on Amy. Like Alphonso said whats wrong with appreciating beauty.
Bitchy women again
Plus if Rebecca feels bad about herself, have a nose job. I know I would.”

She didn't have to and wasn't expected to, as they said themselves. It's normal, kind human interaction to apologise when someone feels bad, even if you're not the direct cause, as you should know- unlike suggesting someone should get a nose job or slandering a entire gender.

Bitchiness is a characteristic of some individuals, as you've shown.
peterstone
21-11-2013
Originally Posted by Vodka_Drinka:
“If she were a male athlete she'd never get judged for her looks in that way. That's the most unfair part of it all ”

Maybe not but the likes of Ennis and Pendleton are happy to cash in on their looks.

Maybe they're the ones who should be taking the ire in this discussion...........or maybe not.

Who cares really?
soapmania
21-11-2013
Originally Posted by Betty Britain:
“Well I'd rather my daughter looked up to Rebecca than Amy willerton... I want her to be judged by her achievements not her beauty”

But with all respect ....surely you wouldn't want your daughter to be bullied for any reason even if that reason happened to be because she was beautiful?

Lucy and Rebecca were in the wrong, I'm sorry.
Betty Britain
21-11-2013
Originally Posted by StephenMoore:
“hah, so now YOU are judging Amy by her looks, assuming that because she is a model she is not a good role model. You don't know Amy so please don't assume these things! ”

I've seen Amy on another show and she came across as a nasty cow and wasn't liked by the others taking part.. I didn't say anything about her looks at all.. I said I'd rather my daughters role model was someone who has achieved something not by just looking pretty.. Being pretty isnt an achievement
attackmusic
21-11-2013
Originally Posted by AA2009:
“Looks like the public have decided to punish her for this crime.”

I know. I can't believe she has been voted to do the trial. What reason is there? I feel bad for Rebecca but you can't blame Amy for being attractive.
cah
21-11-2013
Originally Posted by Joe_Zel:
“I think Lucy is a raving hypocrite.

How on earth is it Amy's responsibility to challenge standards and images in her industry and yet Lucy, who is also in the public eye can sit and admit to botox and a boob job doesn't have any responsibility?

She too is contributing to the image that women must have bigger boobs and no wrinkles to be beautiful and yet it's the model's fault and not hers?

Really don't like her self righteous attitude.”

Agreed JZ Lucy has more of a problem with Amy than Rebecca does ,and started that whole debate so she could slyly get the digs in at Amy

She was commenting on Amy before the two camps was even merged ,moaning in the Bush Telegraph ,that if Amy says she didn't feel well the blokes wouldn't be telling Amy to cover up and put clothes on ,like they just have to her
Betty Britain
21-11-2013
Originally Posted by soapmania:
“But with all respect ....surely you wouldn't want your daughter to be bullied for any reason even if that reason happened to be because she was beautiful?

Lucy and Rebecca were in the wrong, I'm sorry.”

Sadly my daughter has been bullied.. Because she is clever .. Which I find really sad..
I don't think anyone should be bullied ..full stop..
turquoiseblue
21-11-2013
Originally Posted by Vodka_Drinka:
“If she were a male athlete she'd never get judged for her looks in that way. That's the most unfair part of it all ”

Originally Posted by misslibertine:
“That's a sad but very real truth.”

Indeed.
Reality Sucks
21-11-2013
Originally Posted by conchie:
“Amy is gorgeous from head to toe…. and seems to be quite a nice person as well, BUT they definitely edited her to be the "bitch" tonight and it was soooo obvious that she would be picked for the trial.

Amy did not shove Rebecca out of the way when she went to sit next to Matthew, and for Rebecca to suggest she did was WAY over the top and exaggerated.

Rebecca is a lovely girl, but she is definitely taking out her insecurities on Amy at the moment. The abuse she got on twitter last year was totally uncalled for and its understandable how that would have a deep effect, but don't blame the pretty girl for it !!”

I didn't think Amy came across as a bitch - that was Lucy IMO. And Rebecca was a bit of a let down, crying because she isn't as pretty as some people. That's life. We'd all like to be better looking or wealthier or more talented but there's always going to be people better or worse off than we are. The trick is not to compare yourself with other people.
AOTB
21-11-2013
Originally Posted by MACTOWIN:
“This will be an interesting thread.”

Insert Michael Jackson popcorn gif here.
StephenMoore
21-11-2013
Originally Posted by Betty Britain:
“I've seen Amy on another show and she came across as a nasty cow and wasn't liked by the others taking part.. I didn't say anything about her looks at all.. I said I'd rather my daughters role model was someone who has achieved something not by just looking pretty.. Being pretty isnt an achievement”

Again, how do you know what she has achieved. Infact Rebecca's achievements have been physical too. Just because Rebecca's won gold medals doesn't make her a better role model. My role model is my dad, yet he hasn't had any significant "achievements" in his life. From what I've seen of her Amy seems like a very nice person and Lucy seems a lot worse. Please don't make judgements like that about people you don't know! And btw seeing her on some other show doesn't classify you as knowing her, cos u don't!!
StephenMoore
21-11-2013
Originally Posted by Reality Sucks:
“I didn't think Amy came across as a bitch - that was Lucy IMO. And Rebecca was a bit of a let down, crying because she isn't as pretty as some people. That's life. We'd all like to be better looking or wealthier or more talented but there's always going to be people better or worse off than we are. The trick is not to compare yourself with other people.”

Completely agree with this!
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