I think they've got different strengths and weaknesses which puts them on a level playing field.
Patrick's ballroom frame isn't the best and his footwork in Latin is pretty sticky, but, he does have a natural rhythm and musicality that helps to hide it.
Ashley's frame is pretty good but he always has tension in his neck which makes it look awkward, although it has improved in his past two dances. His footwork does sometimes look messy too.
I don't think either of them are better than the other, but since my favourites Ashley I voted for him in the poll
There are more than two male celebrities left in the competition, and this thread is set up as a poll to find out what all forum members think. Note that "Other" currently accounts for one third of the votes cast at the time of writing.
If your thread was entitled "Who is the better male celebrity dancer, Ashley or Patrick?" then that would be nicer than deliberately omitting Ben and Mark.
A and P leave me cold. Ben and Mark have charisma, warmth, charm and humour, and the personality they bring to their dancing cheers and moves me.
Originally Posted by StephenMoore: “Are you trying to honestly suggest that Ben and Mark are better dancers than Patrick and Ashley... ”
Well to be completely honest. I really think you should have put all 4 names.
'Best' is a subjective word based on lots of different things. For me Dance is not all about technique & I am not being difficult to stupid, just completely honest when I say that the ONLY man from the four left that I look forward to seeing & the only one I have or will vote for is Mark Benton.
No he isn't technically better than Ashley or Patrick but his sheer joy is infectious, so for me he is the 'best'.
Originally Posted by KorkyTheCat: “If your thread was entitled "Who is the better male celebrity dancer, Ashley or Patrick?" then that would be nicer than deliberately omitting Ben and Mark.
A and P leave me cold. Ben and Mark have charisma, warmth, charm and humour, and the personality they bring to their dancing cheers and moves me.”
That's a matter of opinion. Ben has looks, but I'd hardly say he has charisma. A pretty face is all some people need I guess.
Originally Posted by KorkyTheCat: “If your thread was entitled "Who is the better male celebrity dancer, Ashley or Patrick?" then that would be nicer than deliberately omitting Ben and Mark.
A and P leave me cold. Ben and Mark have charisma, warmth, charm and humour, and the personality they bring to their dancing cheers and moves me.”
I would change the poll to include all 4 names however i can't now, sorry
Originally Posted by KorkyTheCat: “A and P leave me cold. Ben and Mark have charisma, warmth, charm and humour, and the personality they bring to their dancing cheers and moves me.”
If the poll was 'who is your favourite male celebrity?' then yes, that would be perfect reasoning. But the poll is 'who is the best male celebrity dancer?', which I take to mean the best technical dancer, regardless of whether they leave you cold, warm or tepid.
Originally Posted by coastinbear: “So, instead, we're only allowed to vote for the OP's designated "best two" dancers, which makes this thread pointless?”
Patrick and Ashley are much better technical dancers than the other two. It isn't the OP's fault if some people can't be objective.
It's odd, but we have a thread complaining about the "haters".
Yet here we have a thread asking for our opinion about the best male dancer that only allows the choice between two out of four - deliberately ignoring the other two as "not good enough".
And elsewhere we have a thread asking "who is the best dancer after Natalie", which presupposes that all forum members consider Natalie to be the best dancer.
Originally Posted by j4Rose: “That's a matter of opinion. Ben has looks, but I'd hardly say he has charisma. A pretty face is all some people need I guess.”