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Originally Posted by jchamier

I was told that LTE fallback only goes to 3G not to 2G, but I can't find any reference. Around here I tend to have 4G then 3G but only in my mates house do i get 2G/GPRS.

And 3G always falls back to 2G when signal gets low - which is, pretty much all the time here. Since there's no way on many phones to turn off 2G you're always subject to 3G => 2G fallback as well.

[qasdfdsaq]

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Originally Posted by jchamier

No, the fact you have two radios constantly talking to the network means they need to be using power.

I think he's implying the two radios are not constantly talking to the network, at least not when you're not using them.

An idle radio uses very very little power, hence why many modern smartphones have standby times quoted in the 20-30 day range.

[alanwarwic]

The 2G setting got removed in the iPhone but apparently the O2 S4 now also has the 2G setting removed in 4.2.2.

That also seems a bit retrograde in that when I'm out in the wilds, rather than choose airplane mode I sometimes force 2G only to have a compromise extension of GPS tracking time. (LTE and even 3G both suck lots more power).

Its the same with that dropped call topic. For some, permanent 2G being more stable can be a better setting at home or work (wherever reception is normally patchy)

[psionic]

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Originally Posted by alanwarwic

The 2G setting got removed in the iPhone but apparently the O2 S4 now also has the 2G setting removed in 4.2.2.

That also seems a bit retrograde in that when I'm out in the wilds, rather than choose airplane mode I sometimes force 2G only to have a compromise extension of GPS tracking time. (LTE and even 3G both suck lots more power).

You keep alluding to this Alan, but it is not quite correct. The '2G setting' you refer to is actually 'enable 3G' on non 4G connections/tariffs. If you have a LTE/4G connection then that setting is replaced by 'enable 4G' otherwise its the same as it always was (even with the latest 4G models if you don't have a 4G tariff). These toggles are controlled by Carrier Profiles BTW which are up to the networks - just like whether the Personal Hotspot/Tethering option shows up in settings.

[qasdfdsaq]

You can still set it to 2G only on the S4 - and it's not 4.2.2 that removed the option it's 4.3

I don't know about the iPhone but on the S4 ServiceMode or hidden settings allow you to turn off 2G 3G or 4G individually (e.g. set it to 2G+4G only if you fancy). iPhone might have some hidden settings that do the same tbh, it does seem to have a similar service test mode after all.

Then again on Android phones you don't need to turn off airplane mode to turn on GPS.

[alanwarwic]

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Originally Posted by psionic

You keep alluding to this Alan, but it is not quite correct....

I missed out the 4G bit, and that obviously applied to the S4 too

[late8]

Well its effectively made my ipad3 a stuttering mess. (Ios7)

Some say apple do it to slow down old devisesso new ones feel faster.


My nexus 4 has updated to the latest android and its faster and more fluid than the original OS that it came with.

With every apple product the OS update has always made things slower.

[tdenson]

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Originally Posted by late8

Well its effectively made my ipad3 a stuttering mess. (Ios7)

Not mine, I didn't see any difference plus or minus. suggest you do a factory reset and start again, not that I had to.

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Some say apple do it to slow down old devisesso new ones feel faster.

Conspiracy theorists 'R'Us

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With every apple product the OS update has always made things slower.

Not true. Mac OS X is renowned for speeding things up with new releases. Unlike MS, Apple have not been afraid to drop legacy stuff and start over again.

[alanwarwic]

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Originally Posted by tdenson

...Unlike MS, Apple have not been afraid to drop legacy stuff and start over again.

I think they are both guilty of dumbing down for similar motives.


Dropping some customers also comes with that terrain.