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Ben and Sophie's Charlestons have the same choreographers
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DiamondBetty
23-11-2013
Originally Posted by dancingbearbear:
“Although one thing I'm curious about ~ where does choreography end and concept begin? If a routine had been fully choreographed by person A (which presumably includes stylistic elements as to how the routine would be danced, the emotion and character to be conveyed, etc), what is the 'concept' that person B would come in to layer on top? Genuine query ~ I've never choreographed a routine before, but surely the concept (i.e. character, storyline, emotion, etc.) comes from the choreography itself, rather than being something that a third party could add on afterwards once the choreography was set? ”

I'd do it the other way round actually. Start with the music, find a narrative within the song, use that to inspire a character, then think of steps and movements that build the character and help the character narrate the story.

Finally, stick a costume on the top that fits the character but works with the movements (to try and minimise wardrobe malfunctions).
fridgesoup
23-11-2013
Originally Posted by dancingbearbear:
“Let's be honest, we're never going to get to the bottom of who was responsible for exactly what aspect of each dance, and I'm sure the pros and those they collaborate with are gagged as to exactly how much they are allowed to say about what happens behind closed doors, but it's certainly intriguing when two seemingly contradictory versions of a story emerge. Social media stirs up a lot of hornet's nests.”

I can kind of understand the pros (or maybe production) thinking the 'truth' might be a dangerous thing, undermining their credibility or some such, but they could easily spin it in a good light ('look our pros are so professional - want to do the best by their celebs - working with specialists' yada yada). For people really interested in the show a segment on ITT explaining how it all comes together would be great. For those who just watch the main show, it wouldn't matter. I'd far rather they were completely open and didn't take us for dunderheads who need to be 'played along' .
coppertop1
23-11-2013
I'm not making a fuss but I do think it was rather disengenuous to accept praise for the stunning choreography for Sophie's charleston without mentioning that anyone else helped him.

It would have been generous to have mentioned it, rather than not saying anything and looking foolish when it was discovered
Alli-F
23-11-2013
Originally Posted by DiamondBetty:
“I'd do it the other way round actually. Start with the music, find a narrative within the song, use that to inspire a character, then think of steps and movements that build the character and help the character narrate the story.

Finally, stick a costume on the top that fits the character but works with the movements (to try and minimise wardrobe malfunctions).”



I always think they start with the music first, like you said, then build the concept. James & Denise's charleston is the most obvious I think as the song was so obvious to choreograph to. So you have "Walk Like an Egyptian", it's an obvious Egyptian theme, you then put in lots of sideways head movements, lots of traditional charleston steps and you style it as Tutankhamen. I could have choreographed that one.

Why would you do it the other way round? far too much work and inconvenience and time, especially for the charleston that is so stylised.

Artem is always good when talking about how a dance is put together I find.
dancingbearbear
23-11-2013
Originally Posted by DiamondBetty:
“I'd do it the other way round actually. Start with the music, find a narrative within the song, use that to inspire a character, then think of steps and movements that build the character and help the character narrate the story.

Finally, stick a costume on the top that fits the character but works with the movements (to try and minimise wardrobe malfunctions).”


I completely agree, that's the way I would assume it would go ~ concept and character dictate the choreography as the expression of that concept.
It was the idea that Brendan set the choreography and then someone else came in to tweak the 'concept' that I find odd, as that seems back to front to me. It's not like he could have set the choreo, and then someone came in and went 'great routine. How about this for the concept: you're a dinosaur, she's a cave-woman and you're .... what do you mean where do the restaurant table and champagne bottle come into it? They don't, that's the whole concept!!'

[NB: if you're reading, producers, I totes own the dinosaur/ cave-woman charleston concept and I am highly litigious ]
DiamondBetty
23-11-2013
Originally Posted by dancingbearbear:
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[NB: if you're reading, producers, I totes own the dinosaur/ cave-woman charleston concept and I am highly litigious ]”

Hmm, Kevin and Susanna are now sorted for their show dance, to "Walk the Dinosaur'.

DiamondBetty
23-11-2013
I suppose in reality, the outside help could've come in, discussed the song and the feeling and taught B&S some steps, leaving Brendan to piece it together into 90 sec dance and pick a costume...

Bit like doing a Jigsaw.
Sherlock_Holmes
23-11-2013
Sophie is a popular girl (woman) these last two days.
Safiyah
23-11-2013
Think it's pretty clear from what Brendan said on Twitter.
Quote:
“some get help with certain specialist dances. Arg tango, charleston for example but the pros do most of their own stuff”

They will ALL get extra help, it's rarely mentioned on the show unless added into the training clips beforehand.
Alli-F
23-11-2013
Originally Posted by Safiyah:
“Think it's pretty clear from what Brendan said on Twitter. They will ALL get extra help, it's rarely mentioned on the show unless added into the training clips beforehand.”


It may be clear what he said, doesn't mean what actually happened is clear though.
Safiyah
23-11-2013
This is my take on it, the specialist choreographers give the pro dancers help on what needs to be included content wise, the pro then choreographs the dance. Think of the specialists as consultants, they won't do the routine but they will point the pro dancers in the right direction.

Quote:
“I did the choreography for our charleston but a whole team is what makes good choreography and a concept great”

Brendan clearly stating he choreographed it, on twitter, in front of those specialist choreographers who could easily dispute it if it wasn't true.
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