Lost meself too

I'm only jealous you are far more knowledgable than I'll ever be even if I live to be 100.

Yes if that woman from the Richard III society is an example she's nutty as a fruit cake.

Naaaah! Just Kant's very careful way of saying that when we think something is beautiful we expect that others will think it beautiful too (and vice versa, I guess). The beauty in the eye of the beholder thing isn't for him.

Or in other words, facts and opinions really are mushed up when we think about arty things. It's the territory. Peers over top of spectacles...

Hi sweetie! {{{HUGS}}}


A fact is something that has really occurred or is actually the case. The usual test for a statement of fact is verifiability, that is whether it can be proven to correspond to experience.

On the show the judges scores and comments are our only measure of a fact. Susanna would have been at the bottom of the leader board if her CCC was as bad as you make out. It wasn't good, great, etc. and in your opinion it was awful.

That's beautiful. Going to keep that stored for multi use toward the end of the show

They're a passionate and irrational lot. Some seem to have rather a strange 'thing' for him too.

Laughed my head off when they actually found him, and he DID have a hunched shoulder.

Great soldier though.

He did have lousy PR and Shakespeare didn't really help, but you're right about some of his 'followers'.

I suspect he was a total bstard - but then they ALL were, he just lost.

Interesting that he was physically presented very accurately though.

The whole thing is interesting. Even the 'followers' are a bit fascinating.

The two times I have heard Natalie discuss her dance experience, she has been careful to stress she had no prior Ballroom training. The fact she makes that distinction leads me to believe her resume does not lie.

To my untrained eye, she also appears more proficient in Latin than the other disciplines (though her VW is still my favourite Nartem routine). But yeah, untrained here

It's very sad when you only have to see a poster's name and you instantly know the sort of post it is going to be and who it will be about Quite a few examples in this thread

No - you're being subjective.

You're also doing a great job of making yourself look daft.

So daft, in fact, that you've inspired me to bung a few votes Susannah's way on Saturday. Especially if her performance is really AWFUL.

And given that I haven't voted for anyone and have no favourites, that's quite an achievement on your part. Well done.

I have always wondered what people like the poster you are talking too here (other posters along the same lines are available of course) get out of constantly sniping and picking on a particular celeb. Do they really believe that everyone is going to suddenly have a revelation & say oh yes so and so on the DS was right all along about that celeb.

Most of the time it's the same few posters saying the same old things.. I suppose it's some sort of therapy for whatever their issue is but it's seems such a counter productive exercise as people often have the same reaction as you Servalan I know it's how it makes me feel.

She doesn't need to realise any such thing. She's doing a great job. It's not "showing off"; it's putting everything into her performances (it is performing, after all), and I applaud that. If anything, I think Sophie should take leaf out of her book, and I'm a Sophie fan (and a Natalie fan). It doesn't bother me that Susanna's a very attractive, sexy and confident woman - I don't feel threatened by that and hence have no reason to want to be negative about her. Good luck, Susanna.

At the risk of being all pedantic, he didn't have a hunched shoulder. He had curvature of the spine (scoliosis) which would have been unnoticable unless he was naked and which would, if it affected him outwardly at all, have made his right shoulder about a cm higher than his left

As a PS though, there are some seriously scary Richard III supporters though

Behave you!

PS Can't believe I wrote the BIB - must have been very tired

I read Josephine Tey's 'The Daughter of Time' many years ago and have always been inclined toward Richard. It did help that Henry VII was a nasty piece of work and his right to the throne was rubbish, but I don't think I would attack anyone over that.

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No, you're being 'subjective'. You should learn the difference between the two terms. Also, the difference between the words 'opinion' and 'fact'. (as others have actually tried to point out to you).

But I suspect you're actually trolling now. Or being a WUM.


I'm not necessarily a 'fan' of Susanna. I would love it if she won. I would also love it if Natalie won, or Ashley, or Patrick or Abby. I think they all have the capability. I like Sophie, but she needs to start puting a bit more performance into her dancing (in my opinion )

I don't necessarily agree with her about Richard III. I think it was a bit of a misinformed statement. It doesn't mean i don't like her as a person, though. I just disagree with that particular view.


Obviously not. Dictionaries are your friends.


They are making themselves look terribly foolish and completely uneducated. It's a shame. really. I guess they're more to be pitied than blamed.

*Waves* at Servalan!


I often wonder that, too, Jan. In fact, although I know I can be quite verbose in my posts, I don't feel the need to have the last word in every discussion. Nor do I feel the need to slag off someone on the TV whom I don't know nor will never meet. I suspect it's all down to lack of self-confidence - in that one feels that by picking on someone else for no valid reason, one will feel better.

I doubt it works. It only leads to further bitterness, in my view.


Absolutely. I have never understood why people feel this over-riding need to spout such vitriol about people they don't know. They seem to think it's some kind of inalienable right they have just because they own a computer and can hide behind a keyborad.

Owning a computer doesn't make anyone terribly clever. It only exposes for what they are those who take some kind of joy in being obnoxious about other people.

It's actually quite sad and to reiterate, I feel more pity for them than blame.

It doesn't matter how good a dancer a celeb is they will always be disliked by somebody, either because they are 'bland & emotionless' or too something-or-other. This will enable some self-deluded poster to spot faults missed by the 4 professional judges!

Absolutely, at the end of the day, a whole load of documentation is missing from that time period so it's unlikely we'll ever know the truth. The Olivier Richard III Shakespeare performance has a lot to answer for!

I enjoy watching Susanna dance, her misinformed opinion on Richard III's not going to change my mind

Oh dear! I was watching ITT and the person who looks at the dances occasionally - and I assume knows what she is talking about - objectively went through Susannah's cha cha cha and agreed with me that is was NOT a good dance.

Tch tch

Aw, bless.

Did Karen (I assume that's whom you were referring to), say 'it was awful'?

No. (I watched it. I know what she said).

Therefore, she did not 'agree' with you personally.

Straw. At. Clutching.

At is Karen would say it was awful.

She did not say that. She said it was not good. It doesn't mean the same thing.

But I love how people try to speak for others and misinterpret what they say rather than listen to what they actually DO say. (Not necessarily you; yours was simply the post I was responding to)

It fits some people's agendas, seemingly.

Me? i just enjoy SCD for what it is. An entertainment show with celebrities learning to dance. I don't feel the need to pick apart every nuance of what someone says to make it fit with my own personal feelings and I certainly don't feel the need to basically libel said celebrities as people on this board do by claiming they are this, that or the other.

I have better things to do. Plus I was well-brought up.

Sorry, did that sound patronising? Oh well.