Hardly a tantrum. I am dying for it to go on youtube so I can watch it again and see how wrong the judges were.
Was Brendan right? Or are the judges being fair?
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Originally Posted by kaycee:
“In a way I agreed with both Brendan and the judges.
Brendan completely right, Rumba doesn't have to be a sexy dance, used to annoy me no end when in previous shows the judges used to emphasise the "sexy" side to rumba. It is a dance of love, in much the same way as the waltz - and you don't hear people referring to a waltz as needing to be sexy. The routine Brendan choreographed was beautiful, it was straightforward, no silly gimmicks, probably one of the best rumba routines on the show.
The judges (I felt) were completely right when they said yet again that Sophie needs to give it more performance, etc. She did the steps, but dancing is so much more than jjust "doing the steps". There has to be emotion which is shown not just facially, but in body language. Sophie cannot seem to produce body language, and her dances come across cold.”
“In a way I agreed with both Brendan and the judges.
Brendan completely right, Rumba doesn't have to be a sexy dance, used to annoy me no end when in previous shows the judges used to emphasise the "sexy" side to rumba. It is a dance of love, in much the same way as the waltz - and you don't hear people referring to a waltz as needing to be sexy. The routine Brendan choreographed was beautiful, it was straightforward, no silly gimmicks, probably one of the best rumba routines on the show.
The judges (I felt) were completely right when they said yet again that Sophie needs to give it more performance, etc. She did the steps, but dancing is so much more than jjust "doing the steps". There has to be emotion which is shown not just facially, but in body language. Sophie cannot seem to produce body language, and her dances come across cold.”
This ...
for once, I agreed with Darcey when she said that Sophie probably needs to exaggerate in order to get across the emotional side of her dancing.......she danced beautifully but the emotion was just not there
Brendon seems desperate each year with his Celeb he was the same last year with Victoria always questioning the judges marks.
Sophie is a lovely girl but to me she just lacks the emotion and she just seems stiff in nearly all of her dances.
I think the judges were correct with their marking tonight on that dance
Sophie is a lovely girl but to me she just lacks the emotion and she just seems stiff in nearly all of her dances.
I think the judges were correct with their marking tonight on that dance
Anneka Rice said on the ITT Friday panel a few weeks ago that Sophie is like a "new born colt" and I think this is a perfect description of her. She is undeniably beautiful, very elegant, and extremely laid back and her style of dancing seems to match her personality. It's this laid-back thing that I think spoils some of her transitions. There is something floppy about her legs which, for me, distracts from an otherwise decent danc. If she could push into the floor more and seem a little stronger in some of her leg movements then I reckon she'd be perfect.
The choreography was good but it came across for me as boring. She did the steps but she lacks emotion, her body language always projects a don't touch me attitude. She comes across as cold. She doesn't have natural rhythm and she doesn't attempt to express real hip movement. She looks like she's walking through all of her dances.
Brendan was right. The dance was beautiful and sensual and Sophie danced it well.
Sophie has a demeanor that can give her the appearance of being cold when she really is not.
I think tonight that she didn't look cold at all. She looked beautiful and sensual. She said herself that she only saw Brendan on the dance floor.
What Darcie suggested may be correct. Sophie will have to exaggerate emotions so that people actually notice them.
It's a shame, because I think it is unnecessary....but I'm not a strictly judge...
The problem is, if, as has been suggested, it is the judges' attitude to Brendan that is the problem, then whatever Sophie does, she is going to have to do it at least twice as well as anyone else to win the marks she deserves.
Sophie has a demeanor that can give her the appearance of being cold when she really is not.
I think tonight that she didn't look cold at all. She looked beautiful and sensual. She said herself that she only saw Brendan on the dance floor.
What Darcie suggested may be correct. Sophie will have to exaggerate emotions so that people actually notice them.
It's a shame, because I think it is unnecessary....but I'm not a strictly judge...
The problem is, if, as has been suggested, it is the judges' attitude to Brendan that is the problem, then whatever Sophie does, she is going to have to do it at least twice as well as anyone else to win the marks she deserves.
Originally Posted by aimeeaimee1000:
“Brendon seems desperate each year with his Celeb he was the same last year with Victoria always questioning the judges marks.
Sophie is a lovely girl but to me she just lacks the emotion and she just seems stiff in nearly all of her dances.
I think the judges were correct with their marking tonight on that dance”
“Brendon seems desperate each year with his Celeb he was the same last year with Victoria always questioning the judges marks.
Sophie is a lovely girl but to me she just lacks the emotion and she just seems stiff in nearly all of her dances.
I think the judges were correct with their marking tonight on that dance”
"Desperate" is indeed the key word aimeeaimee
I don't feel a "connection" between Sophie and Brendan, all the steps are there, but it has no charisma behind it.
Originally Posted by nashi:
“We thought it was a great rumba. Intimate and grown up.
Judges have their favourites and Sophie isn't one of them. Brendon is fitting his choreography to Sophie's personality and it works well. Just doesn't fit the stereotypes that the judges want.
Hope the great British public put things right.”
“We thought it was a great rumba. Intimate and grown up.
Judges have their favourites and Sophie isn't one of them. Brendon is fitting his choreography to Sophie's personality and it works well. Just doesn't fit the stereotypes that the judges want.
Hope the great British public put things right.”
Me too!
Originally Posted by musicangel:
“solo well said what was the point of Brendan doing a run a Sophie would feel alien to dance ... That was romance from Sophie
judges are shocking with biases tonight”
“solo well said what was the point of Brendan doing a run a Sophie would feel alien to dance ... That was romance from Sophie
judges are shocking with biases tonight”
It seems that someone has told the judges to change the way they view the performances tonight - suddenly they seem like 4 different people from previous weeks
Don't blame Brendan or anyone else for challenging the double standards.
It was a decent rumba, but really nothing special. A great rumba has passion (which I think Bruno said when he corrected himself) and longing between the two dancers and I didn't see this between Sophie and Brendan. They have very little chemistry. I have always thought that. She did some nice moves, but the flame of desire was missing. Imo, Rumba = passion, longing, desire, sensuality.
I agreed with every word Brendan said. I think he has a right to feel aggrieved. I loved it, for me it was tender and natural. No over acting or gurning. I felt he bit his tongue last week with the quickstep, I can understand his and Sophie's frustration.
If Brendan wants to help perhaps he should advise Sophie's husband to disappear for the next few weeks. It doesn't take a great deal of guesswork to suggest his presence/input is the main reason why she has made little or no progress since the Charleston. Don't know why he rocked up at the training session in the first place. It appears Brendan is effectively operating with one hand tied behind his back.
Originally Posted by differentdrum:
“If Brendan wants to help perhaps he should advise Sophie's husband to disappear for the next few weeks. It doesn't take a great deal of guesswork to suggest his presence/input is the main reason why she has made little or no progress since the Charleston. Don't know why he rocked up at the training session in the first place. It appears Brendan is effectively operating with one hand tied behind his back.”
“If Brendan wants to help perhaps he should advise Sophie's husband to disappear for the next few weeks. It doesn't take a great deal of guesswork to suggest his presence/input is the main reason why she has made little or no progress since the Charleston. Don't know why he rocked up at the training session in the first place. It appears Brendan is effectively operating with one hand tied behind his back.”
if only
Originally Posted by Zoeelizabeth:
“I don't know why or what the back story is, but my opinion is the judges are anti-Brendan and always have been. That was a bloody good dance.”
“I don't know why or what the back story is, but my opinion is the judges are anti-Brendan and always have been. That was a bloody good dance.”
I think Craig went to Brendan's wedding so they are friends outside of Strictly. As for the others, I don't think they dislike him either. Strictly mode and Real life mode can sometimes be quite contrasting.
As for the dance, a decent attempt by Sophie from what I saw of it (had to take a call during it so will have to rewatch it).
Originally Posted by Rhumbatugger:
“She has NO, none, nada, ziltch relationship with the FLOOR though, ever.
She doesn't understand dancing from her feet, the dance needs to be grounded and danced through the floor.
That's what gives fluidity and natural hip action - she had none of that, she just doesn't EVER get that.”
“She has NO, none, nada, ziltch relationship with the FLOOR though, ever.
She doesn't understand dancing from her feet, the dance needs to be grounded and danced through the floor.
That's what gives fluidity and natural hip action - she had none of that, she just doesn't EVER get that.”
I really want to love her because she is so elegant but I haven't been able to articulate what is wrong with her dancing. Thank you for putting it into words.
Originally Posted by TerryM22:
“"Desperate" is indeed the key word aimeeaimee”
“"Desperate" is indeed the key word aimeeaimee”
Brendan is getting 99% support behind his comments and his routine was Brill
And they are LEADING massively on fav couple
Originally Posted by musicangel:
“Brendan is getting 99% support behind his comments and his routine was Brill
And they are LEADING massively on fav couple”
“Brendan is getting 99% support behind his comments and his routine was Brill
And they are LEADING massively on fav couple”
Ummmm? Where did you get 99% from?
And I don't call 49 votes out of 152 a massive lead.
Originally Posted by Sho Nuff:
“It was a decent rumba, but really nothing special. A great rumba has passion (which I think Bruno said when he corrected himself) and longing between the two dancers and I didn't see this between Sophie and Brendan. They have very little chemistry. I have always thought that. She did some nice moves, but the flame of desire was missing. Imo, Rumba = passion, longing, desire, sensuality.”
“It was a decent rumba, but really nothing special. A great rumba has passion (which I think Bruno said when he corrected himself) and longing between the two dancers and I didn't see this between Sophie and Brendan. They have very little chemistry. I have always thought that. She did some nice moves, but the flame of desire was missing. Imo, Rumba = passion, longing, desire, sensuality.”
And how do you measure this so called passion between two people in 90sec . Its purely a subjective thing .
Why should they have any 'flame of desire'
They're both married .
Originally Posted by lechatnoir:
“His rant was annoying because it was the classic Straw man argument. The judges felt there was a lack of chemistry and sensuality.There was. They lack connection, any kind of connection. In a Rumba this cannnot be ignored. Brendan decides to interpret their comments as "the judges expect us to re-enact the Mickey Rourke & Kim Basinger roles in 9 1/2 weeks " so that he can then get on his high horse and imply the judges are perverted deviants who failed to appreciate his beautiful, classy morally righteous Rumba because they are too far down in the gutter to get it. The truth is sensuality needn't be explicit or dirty, or even overt but their Rumba didn't convey much at all, it wasn't sensual in a down 'n' dirty way, nor was it in an understated buttoned up, bubbling and smouldering under the surface kind of way. It was actually quite boring, but then I felt that way about all of tonights dances.”
“His rant was annoying because it was the classic Straw man argument. The judges felt there was a lack of chemistry and sensuality.There was. They lack connection, any kind of connection. In a Rumba this cannnot be ignored. Brendan decides to interpret their comments as "the judges expect us to re-enact the Mickey Rourke & Kim Basinger roles in 9 1/2 weeks " so that he can then get on his high horse and imply the judges are perverted deviants who failed to appreciate his beautiful, classy morally righteous Rumba because they are too far down in the gutter to get it. The truth is sensuality needn't be explicit or dirty, or even overt but their Rumba didn't convey much at all, it wasn't sensual in a down 'n' dirty way, nor was it in an understated buttoned up, bubbling and smouldering under the surface kind of way. It was actually quite boring, but then I felt that way about all of tonights dances.”
best summing up
Originally Posted by differentdrum:
“If Brendan wants to help perhaps he should advise Sophie's husband to disappear for the next few weeks. It doesn't take a great deal of guesswork to suggest his presence/input is the main reason why she has made little or no progress since the Charleston. Don't know why he rocked up at the training session in the first place. It appears Brendan is effectively operating with one hand tied behind his back.”
“If Brendan wants to help perhaps he should advise Sophie's husband to disappear for the next few weeks. It doesn't take a great deal of guesswork to suggest his presence/input is the main reason why she has made little or no progress since the Charleston. Don't know why he rocked up at the training session in the first place. It appears Brendan is effectively operating with one hand tied behind his back.”
He's there every week isn't he? How many times has Peter Crouch turned up to watch Abbey? Twice? I don't know why he needs to be there every time she dances?
Originally Posted by Rhumbatugger:
“Darling Soph did a creditable job, it was pretty and Brendan's choreo was very good and very clever.
She has NO, none, nada, ziltch relationship with the FLOOR though, ever.
She doesn't understand dancing from her feet, the dance needs to be grounded and danced through the floor.
That's what gives fluidity and natural hip action - she had none of that, she just doesn't EVER get that.
She made some lovely lines, and I think she felt connected but she can't project that.
Saying all that, it was a good dance, and it deserved MORE than it got, by a mark or two.”
“Darling Soph did a creditable job, it was pretty and Brendan's choreo was very good and very clever.
She has NO, none, nada, ziltch relationship with the FLOOR though, ever.
She doesn't understand dancing from her feet, the dance needs to be grounded and danced through the floor.
That's what gives fluidity and natural hip action - she had none of that, she just doesn't EVER get that.
She made some lovely lines, and I think she felt connected but she can't project that.
Saying all that, it was a good dance, and it deserved MORE than it got, by a mark or two.”
You will have to explain what you mean a bit more . I did see her feet on the floor
Felt a wee bit sorry for Sophie tonight.
Thought she did a lovely Rumba and can understand Brendan's frustration.
Really hope she isn't in dance off.
Thought she did a lovely Rumba and can understand Brendan's frustration.
Really hope she isn't in dance off.
I'm beginning to think that judges have written their marks before they have seen the dances. I think Sophie, Patrick and Abbey had really strange comments and were under marked we have eyes and can see the dances. Don't know if they are trying to redress the balance from last week.
I think Sophie's dance was lovely. I think Brendan was right. She was under marked and the comments were ridiculous. Everyone enjoyed the dance and I felt there was a definite connection
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