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Technically good but Artem & Natalie leave me cold
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edy10
25-11-2013
Originally Posted by Cadiva:
“Your "factual" comment was in response to the poster stating it was their opinion. You may have meant it to be about their opinion not being an "original" one but it wasn't particularly clear and, at the end of the day, whether it's original or not, it's still their opinion and one they're entitled to express.”

Well said .
edy10
25-11-2013
Some people need to understand the difference between a fact and an opinion !!! Calling opinions, facts and facts, opinions getting everything mixed up, Smh.

And if you don't know, you can easily Google it !!!
TerryM22
25-11-2013
Originally Posted by edy10:
“Some people need to understand the difference between a fact and an opinion !!! Calling opinions, facts and facts, opinions getting everything mixed up, Smh.

And if you don't know, you can easily Google it !!!”

I guess its easily done edy.
lateone
25-11-2013
Originally Posted by Cadiva:
“Your "factual" comment was in response to the poster stating it was their opinion. You may have meant it to be about their opinion not being an "original" one but it wasn't particularly clear and, at the end of the day, whether it's original or not, it's still their opinion and one they're entitled to express.”

To make it clear, I did mean it about the opinion not being an original one. And yes, people are perfectly entitled to repeat exactly the same words as other posters.
lateone
25-11-2013
Originally Posted by Sofajudge:
“Read back.

And that is what some have been giving, their reasons for not liking Artem and Natalie's dancing, which includes their partnership.

I doubt many of us know true facts about any of the dancers tbh. So we have perceptions based on what we see and hear.”

Exactly, we don't know the facts about people's relationships. And as another poster said, people see what they want to see. That is all.
Tissy
25-11-2013
Originally Posted by Toby_Jugg:
“Perhaps Natalie is just one of those unfortunate people who either finds it difficult to show true joy, so relies upon the 'Synchronised Swimming Smile' during the routines (a bit like the ones utilised by a lot of the children at Blackpool from The Stepford School of Dance) or maybe that is just her natural 'happy face'.

I really don't know - I just know that it comes across to me as acting the emotions of each dance rather than feeling them for real.”

Know exactly what you mean.

I also find her interviews the same - all very careful and no spontaneity ... almost as if she's planned everything in advance.

Saying that, perhaps she's very wary of the public's reaction to her.
lateone
25-11-2013
[quote=Tissy;69962021]Know exactly what you mean.

I also find her interviews the same - all very careful and no spontaneity ... almost as if she's planned everything in advance.

Saying that, perhaps she's very wary of the public's reaction to her.[/
QUOTE]

Given the numerous unpleasant/ vituperative tweets that she and Artem have received, I'm not surprised if she's wary.
Tall Paul
25-11-2013
Was wondering whether the natalie haters were hazel o'sullivan haters in bb 14 this year? If so it explains things. To be honest scd is becoming like bb, with a load of cheap insults to contestants via the social media platforms. Its not big or clever, its just stupid and daft.
tokyo_salsagirl
25-11-2013
Originally Posted by Tall Paul:
“Was wondering whether the natalie haters were hazel o'sullivan haters in bb 14 this year? If so it explains things. To be honest scd is becoming like bb, with a load of cheap insults to contestants via the social media platforms. Its not big or clever, its just stupid and daft. ”

"Opinions" they said on FB...but sounds a bit too harsh
Tall Paul
25-11-2013
To be honest they only deem who is a good dancer by who they like, it would seem though the production team dont want natalie to win hence the editing she is getting in the traning vts.
yellowlabbie
25-11-2013
Originally Posted by Tall Paul:
“To be honest they only deem who is a good dancer by who they like, it would seem though the production team dont want natalie to win hence the editing she is getting in the traning vts.
”

I agree, most of the morons wouldn't know the difference between a quickstep and a waltz
Tall Paul
26-11-2013
To be fair I feel like leaving the headpicklers clique on fb to their own devices, they will argue, moan and bitch about natalie. Some people have views and opinions you cannot change.
Tall Paul
26-11-2013
Given the numerous unpleasant/ vituperative tweets that she and Artem have received, I'm not surprised if she's wary.[/quote]

You wouldnt expect scd fans to be chavvy, guess we were incorrect, to be honest its getting worse than big brother with haters. I just hope that people don't go to that extreme of giving her death threats or something on twitter as I fear it could happen.
Monaogg
26-11-2013
Originally Posted by Tall Paul:
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You wouldnt expect scd fans to be chavvy, guess we were incorrect, to be honest its getting worse than big brother with haters. I just hope that people don't go to that extreme of giving her death threats or something on twitter as I fear it could happen. ”

I think Natalie is clearly enjoying dancing with Artem but hating all the negativity she is getting for whatever reason (not liking her dancing, being a supposed ringer etc etc). No wonder she seems to cry at the drop of a hat. If she didn't like dancing so much I suspect she would have left by now, with health as a good enough reason.
holly berry
26-11-2013
I can't say that I have seen the kind of negativity directed at Natalie that one sees directed towards females who appear on Big Brother. Nowhere near. Abbey has been on the receiving end of far more sustained hostility and in comparison with the vitriol directed at Julien, next to nothing. Calling someone a ringer or emotionally cold is just expressing an opinion, it's not hating. Constantly bitching about her race, class and sexuality in the context of a so-called dance competition now that's hating.
Monaogg
26-11-2013
Originally Posted by holly berry:
“I can't say that I have seen the kind of negativity directed at Natalie that one sees directed towards females who appear on Big Brother. Nowhere near. Abbey has been on the receiving end of far more sustained hostility and in comparison with the vitriol directed at Julien, next to nothing. Calling someone a ringer or emotionally cold is just expressing an opinion, it's not hating. Constantly bitching about her race, class and sexuality in the context of a so-called dance competition now that's hating.”

For every positive comment on FB there are around 10 negative, with several of them accusing her of being fake (either emotionally or injury wise) - rinse & repeat each week.
Sofajudge
26-11-2013
Originally Posted by holly berry:
“I can't say that I have seen the kind of negativity directed at Natalie that one sees directed towards females who appear on Big Brother. Nowhere near. Abbey has been on the receiving end of far more sustained hostility and in comparison with the vitriol directed at Julien, next to nothing. Calling someone a ringer or emotionally cold is just expressing an opinion, it's not hating. Constantly bitching about her race, class and sexuality in the context of a so-called dance competition now that's hating.”

Well said Holly Berry. I've never watched a Big Brother so can't really comment but I have seen comments about contestants and the tone and content was vile. Julien attracted some horrible negativity and Abbey has had her face, body, marriage etc dissected.
lateone
26-11-2013
Originally Posted by holly berry:
“I can't say that I have seen the kind of negativity directed at Natalie that one sees directed towards females who appear on Big Brother. Nowhere near. Abbey has been on the receiving end of far more sustained hostility and in comparison with the vitriol directed at Julien, next to nothing. Calling someone a ringer or emotionally cold is just expressing an opinion, it's not hating. Constantly bitching about her race, class and sexuality in the context of a so-called dance competition now that's hating.”

I wonder if you've seen all the threads, quite a few of which had to be removed, about Natalie?No one could argue that no one else hasn't had at least some negativity, but for the number of them and the venom in them, Natalie has had the most. No question. I wish I'd counted them all. The targetting of all contestants in a personal way is bullying. Stating that others, in your opinion, have been bullied more doesn't make the bullying of Natalie or anyone else any more palatable.
Sofajudge
26-11-2013
Originally Posted by lateone:
“I wonder if you've seen all the threads, quite a few of which had to be removed, about Natalie?No one could argue that no one else hasn't had at least some negativity, but for the number of them and the venom in them, Natalie has had the most. No question. I wish I'd counted them all. The targetting of all contestants in a personal way is bullying. Stating that others, in your opinion, have been bullied more doesn't make the bullying of Natalie or anyone else any more palatable.”

Last sentence is absolutely right. I missed those. Did they pick apart her appearance and morals or was it generally she shouldn't be in the competition and that people found it hard to like her?

I am interested because Susanna gets a constant stream of unpleasantness.
lateone
26-11-2013
Originally Posted by Sofajudge:
“Last sentence is absolutely right. I missed those. Did they pick apart her appearance and morals or was it generally she shouldn't be in the competition and that people found it hard to like her?

I am interested because Susanna gets a constant stream of unpleasantness.”

I'm not going to repeat the worst things written about Natalie. I couldn't bring myself to type the words. But absolutely, yes, her appearance and morals have been a free for all. And regarding the competition, it would make more sense for the bullies to target the BBC for inviting her to take part. Why should bullies win and drive her out?

Re Susanna she seems popular to me, unless the backlash has started. You're not saying that she's had as much negativity as Natalie or even Abbey are you?
Tissy
26-11-2013
Originally Posted by lateone:
“I'm not going to repeat the worst things written about Natalie. I couldn't bring myself to type the words. But absolutely, yes, her appearance and morals have been a free for all. And regarding the competition, it would make more sense for the bullies to target the BBC for inviting her to take part. Why should bullies win and drive her out?

Re Susanna she seems popular to me, unless the backlash has started. You're not saying that she's had as much negativity as Natalie or even Abbey are you?”

Have they I've only seen positive posts about her appearance, hair, laugh etc.,

Only ones questioning her morals are whether she should be on the show with so much experience.
Sofajudge
26-11-2013
Originally Posted by lateone:
“I'm not going to repeat the worst things written about Natalie. I couldn't bring myself to type the words. But absolutely, yes, her appearance and morals have been a free for all. And regarding the competition, it would make more sense for the bullies to target the BBC for inviting her to take part. Why should bullies win and drive her out?

Re Susanna she seems popular to me, unless the backlash has started. You're not saying that she's had as much negativity as Natalie or even Abbey are you?”

There are constant snippy comments about Susanna, being smug, being fake, being talentless blah blah.

I think it's fair enough to say you think a contestant appears to lack sincerity or seems ambitious or criticise whatever aspect of their dancing you wish, it's just when it gets personal.

Neither Natalie or any of the others deserve that.
lateone
26-11-2013
Originally Posted by Tissy:
“Have they I've only seen positive posts about her appearance, hair, laugh etc.,

Only ones questioning her morals are whether she should be on the show with so much experience.”

You've only seen positive posts about Natalie's appearance and her demeanour? Seriously? I find that soooo hard to believe as there have been so many.

And people don't just question whether she should be on the show,they verbally attack her for it.

I don't want to think that you are being disingenuous.
Tissy
26-11-2013
Originally Posted by lateone:
“You've only seen positive posts about Natalie's appearance and her demeanour? Seriously? I find that soooo hard to believe as there have been so many.

And people don't just question whether she should be on the show,they verbally attack her for it.

I don't want to think that you are being disingenuous.
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You are free to think what you like

I've been off work for a while and have spent far too much time on here lately but can honestly say I've not read anything negative about her apart from mentioned in my earlier post.
lateone
26-11-2013
Originally Posted by Tissy:
“You are free to think what you like

I've been off work for a while and have spent far too much time on here lately but can honestly say I've not read anything negative about her apart from mentioned in my earlier post.”

Oh dear. There have been plenty of negative posts and removed threads. They must have slipped under your radar, however long you've spent on here.
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