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Old 23-11-2013, 23:44
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I do like Steven Moffat. Despite his flaws, I hugely respect him as a writer.

BUT...


He needs to go soon. Things are getting more and more confusing by the series with him in charge and my head literally hurts after watching his episodes and tonight was no exception.

From a recent interview, he made it sound like he might stay on after series 8. In my view, this should not happen. Give him series 8, and then hand the pen over to Mark Gatiss. I've had my doubts about Mark, but An Adventure in Space and Time on Thursday night shows how much of a fan he is and how suited he is to the show.
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Old 23-11-2013, 23:49
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Time for the Moff to go. His stuff is now too hard to follow. He does not think it necessary to take the audience with him, unlike RTD.
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Old 23-11-2013, 23:52
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He should have vamooshed with the Ponds. He's ironically like his predecessor's Doc in that he seems not to want to go...
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Old 23-11-2013, 23:53
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Off with the Moff?
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Old 23-11-2013, 23:56
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He should've left after series 5. Can't wait to see the back of him now.
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Old 23-11-2013, 23:57
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I still think he's the best writer the show has at the moment. The trouble is, he's starting to spend too much time on the dialogue and not enough time on mapping out a coherent juicy plot.
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Old 24-11-2013, 00:00
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While the special the other night was very good, imho Gatiss would kill Doctor Who overnight. He can't write a single decent episode so there's no chance that he could oversee the show.
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Old 24-11-2013, 00:01
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While the special the other night was very good, imho Gatiss would kill Doctor Who overnight. He can't write a single decent episode so there's no chance that he could oversee the show.
Gatiss writes good drama, but he is terrible at sci-fi.
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Old 24-11-2013, 00:03
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He just delivered a beautiful anniversary episode with the kind of depth and feeling that makes a mockery of some of the previous finales and specials- oh hello Journeys End!- I think he's doing just fine.

I don't think it was perfect. But nothing ever is. (Except Blink. That is)
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Old 24-11-2013, 00:06
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I don't really get this "it's confusing" thing. Are people really that dim?
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Old 24-11-2013, 00:10
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I don't think he's been bad, but I wouldn't mind a new person taking over.
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Old 24-11-2013, 00:12
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He is a great writer but I think he gets far too caught up in the confusing nature of time travel and paradoxes etc. Maybe it's because he's such a fan of the show he gets too wrapped up in his own brain.

I do think after series 8 it's time for fresh blood. (Maybe even someone who knows the show but isn't such a fanboy that they get carried away). Just like after 4 and a bit series it was RTD's time to move on.
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Old 24-11-2013, 00:13
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Toby Whithouse would be the ideal replacement but I think he's got his own projects going on now.
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Old 24-11-2013, 00:36
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I gave up watching a while back because the 'story arc' became too hard for me to understand.

I watched tonight and I enjoyed it - but apparently he's wiped out a major event in the doctor's history, which makes future plots possible even more incomprehensible.

Would like to see what Mark Gatiss made of it.
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Old 25-11-2013, 00:30
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I gave up watching a while back because the 'story arc' became too hard for me to understand.

I watched tonight and I enjoyed it - but apparently he's wiped out a major event in the doctor's history, which makes future plots possible even more incomprehensible.

Would like to see what Mark Gatiss made of it.
He's not wiped out anything. He's just shown the 'truth' of what happened. Not one thing has changed that impacts upon what we know has happened. The only thing that has changed is that the 11th Doctor now knows the truth, and will be looking for Gallifrey, possibly.
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Old 25-11-2013, 00:33
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It's actually quite funny reading this thread. After last night, and subsequent news this morning, Moffats place on the show has never been so assured. He will stay as long as he damn well pleases, in spite of what a handful of nay sayers might like.
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Old 25-11-2013, 00:35
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imho Gatiss would kill Doctor Who overnight.

I don't need to add anything.
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Old 25-11-2013, 00:37
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I don't really get this "it's confusing" thing. Are people really that dim?
I know right?!!!

I have been gob smacked how confused people have got from this episode.

It was actually incredibly simple to follow.

I do despair for people these days.
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Old 25-11-2013, 08:17
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I know right?!!!

I have been gob smacked how confused people have got from this episode.

It was actually incredibly simple to follow.

I do despair for people these days.
Have to say I too agree with this sentiment, I too found it easy to follow. I can't understand people who say they didn't understand the episode/story.

If that is the case, I would strongly advise these people to never watch Babylon 5 - Their head might just explode!
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Old 25-11-2013, 08:37
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If that is the case, I would strongly advise these people to never watch Babylon 5 - Their head might just explode!
THE SHADOWS ARE MOVING AGAIN

No, not the Vashta Nerada.
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Old 25-11-2013, 08:47
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I think he thinks about leaving. But he shouldn't leave just because people want him to. If he's still got stories to tell, then he should tell them. He's never going to get another chance at being the lead writer for Doctor Who.

Also, who would take over? It was pretty clear Moffat would do it after Russell, but Mark Gatiss is brilliant at drama, not at sci-fi like a lot of people have said. Some fresh writers wouldn't go amiss in the show.
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Old 25-11-2013, 08:52
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See my problem is I love the confusing, multi-layered side. Through most of 7B I was calling for him to go. The painting by numbers of the Bells of St John etc I hate.

Name & Day have restored my faith in him and anyway Toby is busy right now

Then again I'm a B5 fan too
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Old 25-11-2013, 09:07
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I love the way that people who say that they understood the episode seem to be claiming some sort of intellectual superiority.

Did it ever occur to them that maybe they are the dim ones because they were too busy marvelling at Daleks blowing stuff up and Tom B's fantastic cameo to notice a plot that wandered all over the place and left several strands unanswered?

I think Moffat is a fantastic writer but the Day of the Doctor left me rather confused because there was just too much going on. I much prefer it when Moffat tells a simple story well, such as Asylum or the Name of the Doctor.
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Old 25-11-2013, 09:08
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I'm torn.

I like Steven Moffat as guy, I love his RTD era stuff and the 50th for me was the best thing he has done since then. I think he absolutely nailed it.

But I am torn as I think Capaldi's Doctor needs a new direction in a show with a new tone to it. I think Moffat needs to ditch the timey wimey and character arc tags (been done to death now, it was part of Matt Smith run but it now needs a different style and tone for a new Doctor) and get back to a more basic a-b classic Who story telling. A-B storytelling can be as smart and clever as timey wimey..more so in my opinion. Ive never found timey wimey, beyond Blink, clever or complex..sometimes its a swizz, sometimes its a gimmick but mostly its been yawn inducing.

That said it worked beautifully in the 50th as a link up for the Doctors.

Just as RTD's style began to become too familiar towards the end his era the same can be said for Moffat's.

The basics need a shake up, if Moffats at the helm then great, but time for a new direction.

And after all my critisms of his writing and showrunning during the Matt Smith era I still think Moffats the guy to do it.
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Old 25-11-2013, 09:18
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I'm torn.

I like Steven Moffat as guy, I love his RTD era stuff and the 50th for me was the best thing he has done since then. I think he absolutely nailed it.

But I am torn as I think Capaldi's Doctor needs a new direction in a show with a new tone to it. I think Moffat needs to ditch the timey wimey and character arc tags (been done to death now, it was part of Matt Smith run but it needs a style and tone for a new Doctor) and get back to a more basic a-b classic Who story telling. A-B storytelling can be as smart and clever as timey wimey..more so in my opinion.

Just as RTD's style began to become too familiar towards the end his era the same can be said for Moffat's.

The basics need a shake up, if Moffats at the helm then great, but time for a new direction.
I pretty much agree with all of that. I am eternally grateful to RTD for resurrecting the show but it felt like the right time when he announced his departure and it seemed even more obvious to me that he had run out of ideas when I watched the End of Time.

I've also loved Matt's time as the Doctor but feel that it's the right time for a new direction. Moffat seems to recognise that too so hopefully he will use this chance to refresh his writing. The timey-wimey stuff was great in The Big Bang, but by the time of the Day of the Doctor is does begin to feel that he is recycling old ideas.

At the very least I hope that Moffat is thinking about an heir to his throne because all of the names that are frequently suggested on these forums fill me with dread.
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