Well as Hurt is a previous Doctor from his POV everything happening to him happens before they are even around

How can he have met Smith for the second time in Name when he regenerated at the end of Day?

The version of him inside his time line did it may have been a "Ghost" version though

Because the Hurt you saw in Name was pretty much Hurt's ghost in the limbo of his time stream.

See, this is what I didn't get.
If Name happened first then we're lacking an explanation for how that all worked out.
If Day happened first then how come JH appeared in Name when he began to regenerate at the end of Day?

Course, bearing in mind that Day was an episode where a whole heap of previously regenerated doctors all resurfaced, I'm sure an explanation for JH appearing in Name could be found if that's the way they decided to go with the story.

The Name of the Doctor happened before the The Day of the Doctor. The show is generally aired in order, do try to keep up. John Hurt appeared in the Name as did all previous incarnations because that was the time stream of the Doctor's entire twelve lives up to that point.

The War Doctor in "Name" appears to be the one that pressed the button - "What I did" is something he says (he could be referring to something else of course, but the implication is what he did to Gallifrey). At this point, his timeline is collapsing and Hurt acknowledges Smith so it can be said a meeting occurs. Now, if this Hurt is from the point in the timeline post the button press, then this meeting has not occured from the PoV of the Hurt tonight, and now will not occur from his PoV. Smith will still remember it, as the show has established that those who live through moments in time that no longer occur retain their memories. But basically it didn't happen, and Name came before Day from the PoV of the viewer.

I gave you the benefit of the doubt before but don't be such a dick.

It's fiction and you don't have the monopoly on assumption.

It's like the break for the Ponds between their honeymoon partly shown in A Chrismas Carol and Amy being replaced by a ganger before the events of The Impossible Astronaut, that is plenty of time to fill with audio, books, fanfiction.

Smith told tennant that he has been to trenszalor which indicates the last 2 episodes were in order. Both episodes left a lot of unanswered questions.

I thought that Amy was replaced by a ganger when they were in Florida, when the Silence took her from child Melody's/River's room in the orphanage.
I say that as, the next we saw of her she was in that space ship that the Doctor, River and Rory think they are rescuing her from.
There is no other point that I can think of that She was taken away from Rory and the Doctor.

My take is I don't have a clue. I hope that the Christmas special might answer some of it since it is going back there but I am not holding my breath.

It would me nice that the plot hole be filled but it may not happen. Will the Doctor Who world end? No, but it will sulk and think that Moffat is trying to annoy me.

It did confuse me as well because at the end of the previous episode I assumed that in this one they'd show how they escape.
The previous episode made out that it was virtually impossible to get out of your own timeline once you've jumped into it.
So for the first few minutes I was waiting to see a flashback or something, which never happened.

No, because Clara is a teacher at Ian's old school now, not a nanny anymore.

I really hope they explain how they escaped out of the timeline in the Christmas special, I will be a bit disappointed if it is never explained properly (by Moffat)

Seems to be a lot of people who want their bottoms wiped for them........at the end of name the Hurt we see is a memory of what Matt currently thinks about Hurt. We might yet see more explanation at christmas about the actual specifics. The hurt doctor was always a memory, I'm sure Matt said something of the sort in the episode when Clara asked why she never meet that incarnation. For me I thought about it for about 1 second, decided there were a few possibilities of the actual specifics, but didn't need to see it here, and then went on with enjoying a really awesome episode. (which it was ) As to how they 'got out', as someone mentioned, they already liked like they had got out and were in the graveyard again. Although still setting memories etc. like I said there may well be more at Christmas, as they go back there, so have some patience

It's all complete Timey Whimey bollocks isn't it!?

I thought it was more a case that the Doctor being in his own timeline was causing it to collapse and if they didn't get out in time he'd be destroyed. He said so much to Clara and she told him to get out before he refused to leave without her - seems to suggest that he had no issue getting out but jumping in to save her was at great risk because of the potential consequences.

Staying in his timeline would have destroyed Clara as it did the Great Intelligence. She obviously retains some memories of her other lives but considering she was close to collapse and saw Hurt for only a few seconds it's understandable that she doesn't remember him.

Just been watching again and in Elizabeth's letter it says she is appointing him curator of the under gallery. That could mean the'far future 2nd Tom Baker doctor' goes back there to start his retirement, very possibly giving the painting to the gallery at that point.

I don't need my bottom wiped for me thanks but getting the writer to write a conclusion to his story might be nice. Apparently the Christmas episode will wrap up all of the loose ends from eleven's era so it should be a three hour epic

So we're confused about when DOTD actually took place, we don't know how they got out of the timestream, we don't know why Smith and Tennant are so chummy with the Doctor they're supposed to hate, do we actually know anything about the programme we love?

The sooner SM leaves the better, would we have had all these threads aimed at trying to work out what's happened back in the days of the classic series?

Oh well, while you're there if you could explain to me what the bobbins Logopolis and Castrovalva were about I'd be most grateful.

Exactly. I'd assumed that all the Doctors in TNOTD were right at the end of their incarnations - almost they go there after they regenerate. So, TDOTD takes place before TNOFT for Tennant and Hurt - and all of the others come to that.


And Capaldi wasn;t in TNOTD because Clara could only see everything up to that point with 11 when they went to Tranzalore.

Not strictly the right place to ask this but I'm sure it's been brought up before so don't want to start a new thread, perhaps someone can point me in right direction?

In night of the doctor, why did the doctor die instead of regenerating? I know he regenerated once witchy people (i'm obviously not an out and out fan) brought him back to life but shouldn't it have happened automatically without the need to be brought back?

I thought it was quite clear that Day came after Name, especially with Clara's access to new information and 11 referencing the War Doctor. What I'd much rather know is how Clara is able to retain the knowledge of her confetti self (such as remembering Gallifrey) when she is the original copy, so to speak. Kind of like how Rory remembered his 2000 years as an auton when that was reset, something which I never really got either.

I don't think it matters too much as to how they got out, it's probably left up to the viewer's imagination. In my mind, the Doctor knew that as it was his timeline, he couldn't get chopped up into confetti. But he thought Clara was dead, until the psychic link with River confirmed otherwise. Then, it was just a case of going in to retrieve her.

I thought that in the special he would come across Ten by exiting the timeline at the wrong place. Using this theory that he can exit the timeline in this way, he probably just found the point at which he entered it so then he could carry on his own timeline as normal.

It's been established that it's not automatic and The Doctor needs to start the regeneration process himself. Obviously the force of the crash was too violent for him to start it.