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Old 24-11-2013, 17:24
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Or maybe deflecting away from the subject of this thread
No. It's making a valid point.

How can one dance lacking required content be okay and another not be okay. Beats me.

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Old 24-11-2013, 17:27
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No. It's making a valid point.

How can one dance lacking required content be okay and another not be okay. Beats me.

(Quotes are all over the shop")
Yes, it's JDs fault with the quotes

I haven't made any comment about Natalie's Viennese Waltz but it does not alter the fact that Sophie did not have any hip action in her 'rumba'.

I have seen many of the rumba's posted on here and Sophie's was nothing like any of them.
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Old 24-11-2013, 17:32
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I do think that her personal modesty and thoughtfulness for her husband's feelings are hampering her dance wise. As much as I don't want anything to hamper her in the show, I do have huge respect for her sticking to her beliefs.

Regardless, I think she brings a deal to the show still and I enjoy her dances hugely, she's such a one off.
Absolutely!!

It's just that when I think she feels uncomfortable, I feel uncomfortable with/for her. (Does that make sense? )
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Old 24-11-2013, 17:32
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She was supposed to dance a rumba and she didn't. What is the point in giving them dances to do if they do something different. Just dance what you like every week?
Labbie, you're the one who started about Sophie "not doing a rumba". I'm just stating that Natalie didn't do a Viennese Waltz. Touche.
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Old 24-11-2013, 17:34
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Labbie, you're the one who started about Sophie "not doing a rumba". I'm just stating that Natalie didn't do a Viennese Waltz. Touche.
OK, so do you think that Sophie danced a proper rumba?
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Old 24-11-2013, 17:35
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OK, so do you think that Sophie danced a proper rumba?
I'm not technically knowledgeable to comment. All I know is that I, personally, loved Sophie's dance.
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Old 24-11-2013, 17:36
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Personally I liked Sophie's Rumba, it was simple and understated but......Sophie does have trouble emoting to the dances and she does seem to have modesty issues, all of that is fine by me and I understand.There is no reason though for the judges to be so understanding when marking or discussing her performance and I thought they were correct.
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Old 24-11-2013, 17:41
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I'm not technically knowledgeable to comment. All I know is that I, personally, loved Sophie's dance.
I will remember this post JD
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Old 24-11-2013, 17:43
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Inconsistency from the judges can cause confusion.

Harry and Aliona danced a sweet romantic rhumba and were praised, scored 9's (despite lack of real rhumba hips!)

Sophie and Brendan do the same..............
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Old 24-11-2013, 17:43
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for all it looked pretty it did not have rumba leg action without it - more like contemporary because without correct rumba leg action it is just not rumba
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Old 24-11-2013, 18:35
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For me, the problems with the dance were technical, but the judges comments were about performance. I actually thought it was a good performance by the standard of Sophie's other Latin dances, so it was weak of them to soft soap her when she was at her worst then criticise her now that she is finally improving.
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Old 24-11-2013, 18:38
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Yes, it's JDs fault with the quotes

I haven't made any comment about Natalie's Viennese Waltz but it does not alter the fact that Sophie did not have any hip action in her 'rumba'.

I have seen many of the rumba's posted on here and Sophie's was nothing like any of them.
You're right! And that is why I loved it.

Absolutely!!

It's just that when I think she feels uncomfortable, I feel uncomfortable with/for her. (Does that make sense? )
Total sense. I stopped feeling uncomfortable when I thought she did a lovely, joyous QS, I dreaded the Rhumba and was surprised at it's romanticism. I hold my breath before she's on. I do think she loves dancing though.
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Old 24-11-2013, 18:38
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I'm not technically knowledgeable to comment. All I know is that I, personally, loved Sophie's dance.
Yet you are technically knowledgeable to comment that Natalie's Viennese Waltz was in fact an American Smooth
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Old 24-11-2013, 18:45
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I think it's nice to see someone more reserved on the show. I get very fed up with all the showing off.

Sophie is performing but it's just not the really extroverted performance that the judges think everyone should be doing. Rachel Stevens was similar in personality, and I seem to remember they sometimes used to say the same kind of thing to her.
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Old 24-11-2013, 18:49
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Yet you are technically knowledgeable to comment that Natalie's Viennese Waltz was in fact an American Smooth
I know a Viennese Waltz is meant to be constant rotation. Natalie's consisted of a lot of faffing about and very little rotation. So yes, I think I am.
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Old 24-11-2013, 18:52
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I think it's nice to see someone more reserved on the show. I get very fed up with all the showing off.

Sophie is performing but it's just not the really extroverted performance that the judges think everyone should be doing. Rachel Stevens was similar in personality, and I seem to remember they sometimes used to say the same kind of thing to her.
Yes, she's fresh.
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Old 24-11-2013, 18:58
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Natalie & Artem did a Viennese Waltz AS without lifts. There were still definite VW sections. They also did a contemporary Quickstep. Comments by Len on both occasions about lack of sufficient in hold.

So far Sophie & Brendan have done: -

A nice Waltz
A proper Foxtrot
A decent if under-marked Quick Step
A cool Charleston
An odd Jive
A contemporary AT - lacked the traditional AT hold and sweeping foot action. Overlooked by judges.
A contemporary Rumba - lacked essential rumba leg/hip action. Comments by judges.
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Old 24-11-2013, 19:01
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I know a Viennese Waltz is meant to be constant rotation. Natalie's consisted of a lot of faffing about and very little rotation. So yes, I think I am.
Yet you don't know that a rumba has to have hip action
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Old 24-11-2013, 19:06
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Yet you don't know that a rumba has to have hip action
Not really. I know that it's meant to be the "Dance Of Love" and that's about it. Don't mean to sound thick. Sophie's dance last night did emote love to me, that's all.
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Old 24-11-2013, 19:10
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Not really. I know that it's meant to be the "Dance Of Love" and that's about it. Don't mean to sound thick. Sophie's dance last night did emote love to me, that's all.
But you can't say one dance is good and the other isn't if you are not technically knowledgeable about dancing. You can however say you enjoyed one and not the other.
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Old 24-11-2013, 19:15
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But you can't say one dance is good and the other isn't if you are not technically knowledgeable about dancing. You can however say you enjoyed one and not the other.
I think your wording needs work. We are all at liberty to say anything, pretty much, without qualification. In fact JD is only repeating pretty much what Len said about Nat's dance and giving his personal view.

This is bordering on baiting, Yellowlabbie, though I'm sure you're not aware of that
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Old 24-11-2013, 19:22
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I do think that her personal modesty and thoughtfulness for her husband's feelings are hampering her dance wise. As much as I don't want anything to hamper her in the show, I do have huge respect for her sticking to her beliefs.

Regardless, I think she brings a deal to the show still and I enjoy her dances hugely, she's such a one off.
Well, presumably she's watched the show in previous years and knew what it involved regarding bodily contact and movement.
If she was concerned about her husband's feelings with regard to that, or indeed her own reluctance to get involved, maybe she should have thought twice about taking part.
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Old 24-11-2013, 19:26
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I think your wording needs work. We are all at liberty to say anything, pretty much, without qualification. In fact JD is only repeating pretty much what Len said about Nat's dance and giving his personal view.

This is bordering on baiting, Yellowlabbie, though I'm sure you're not aware of that
I am not baiting at all, the same can be said for Sophie's dance and why they gave her lower scores but it seems this only applies to Natalie and I haven't even mentioned whether I agree about Nat's Viennese Waltz or not.
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Old 24-11-2013, 19:27
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Every time I've seen them on ITT, Brendan is always rushing to Sophie's defence. I see a very protective vibe coming off from him which is sweet in some ways but Sophie often seems embarrassed by it. She usually ends up trying to make him feel better rather than focusing on her own feelings.

I think Brendan tries to boost Sophie's confidence by championing and defending her, but I get the feeling Sophie is much more accepting of the feedback than he is and is happy to quietly get on with the work.

I like Sophie a lot and it frustrates me how Brendan spends so much time playing the role of public defender instead of pushing her where he needs to. She certainly seems receptive of the judges' comments and willing to learn. Just get on with it Brendan!
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