Originally Posted by Howardessex:
“You have a problem with gay people ?”
“You have a problem with gay people ?”
Not at all. I have a gay friend who finds over the top, camp antics embarrassing.
I think it's time for Bruce to call it a day
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BF has another week off on Saturday 7 December (quote posted by guestofseth on the Week 10 Dances thread)
Something to look forward to...
Quote:
“GAME SHOW: Strictly Come Dancing
On: BBC 1 HD (141)
Date: Saturday 7th December 2013 (starting in 13 days)
Time: 19:10 to 20:15 (1 hour and 5 minutes long)
Tess Daly and Claudia Winkleman present a night to remember on the Strictly Come Dancing ballroom floor. The competition is at melting point as the six surviving couples pivot, twist and turn to keep the glitter ball trophy in their sights. Voting lines open at the end of the show; once the judges' scores have been added to viewer votes, the two lowest-scoring couples will perform again in the dreaded dance-off during Sunday's results show.
(Stereo, Widescreen, High Definition, Subtitles, 4 Star)”
“GAME SHOW: Strictly Come Dancing
On: BBC 1 HD (141)
Date: Saturday 7th December 2013 (starting in 13 days)
Time: 19:10 to 20:15 (1 hour and 5 minutes long)
Tess Daly and Claudia Winkleman present a night to remember on the Strictly Come Dancing ballroom floor. The competition is at melting point as the six surviving couples pivot, twist and turn to keep the glitter ball trophy in their sights. Voting lines open at the end of the show; once the judges' scores have been added to viewer votes, the two lowest-scoring couples will perform again in the dreaded dance-off during Sunday's results show.
(Stereo, Widescreen, High Definition, Subtitles, 4 Star)”
Something to look forward to...
In the Mirror yesterday there was an article and interview with Brucie and he think he does not have long left of the show so I think the Xmas show could well be his last 
Originally Posted by Vodka_Drinka:
“Last night was the worst I've ever seen him, there was even a moment where I thought he was having a stroke live on air. He seemed to seize up and got horribly tongue tied.”
“Last night was the worst I've ever seen him, there was even a moment where I thought he was having a stroke live on air. He seemed to seize up and got horribly tongue tied.”
It was horrible and I has the same feeling, but he actually then got out of it quite quickly and funnily. I've just watched the whole programme again and that was the only significant error, so I don't think it was all that bad.
Originally Posted by reverse_diode:
“Just watched it again. Looks worse than I thought last night. Interestingly, he says something like "you've done worse, haven't you Suzanne?" and the camera immediately cuts to her nodding. Wonder why camera would have her in pre shot?”
“Just watched it again. Looks worse than I thought last night. Interestingly, he says something like "you've done worse, haven't you Suzanne?" and the camera immediately cuts to her nodding. Wonder why camera would have her in pre shot?”
Maybe because she was the 1st to perform?
His worst crime, I feel, is the constant muttering you can hear in the background when the judges are giving their critique.
He constantly contradicts Craig's opinions and if I was Craig, I would make a complaint about it. A lot of competitors say that it's Craig's opinion that they take on board and having Bruce wittering on at their side when they are trying to listen must be disconcerting. In fact there was one instant, I think it was during Craig's judging of Natalie's tango when he began to say that it wasn't dramatic enough and Bruce started rambling on about it and Craig just shut up in the end.
We want to hear what the judges have to say about the dances not what he has to say. His opinions are not relevant.
We would also have longer critiques from the judges if we didn't have to put up with pathetic 'Doctor, Doctor' jokes being read from a cue card.
This isn't 'hate' this is my honest opinion of someone in the public arena who cannot do the job anymore and is ruining a show for me that I love.
He constantly contradicts Craig's opinions and if I was Craig, I would make a complaint about it. A lot of competitors say that it's Craig's opinion that they take on board and having Bruce wittering on at their side when they are trying to listen must be disconcerting. In fact there was one instant, I think it was during Craig's judging of Natalie's tango when he began to say that it wasn't dramatic enough and Bruce started rambling on about it and Craig just shut up in the end.
We want to hear what the judges have to say about the dances not what he has to say. His opinions are not relevant.
We would also have longer critiques from the judges if we didn't have to put up with pathetic 'Doctor, Doctor' jokes being read from a cue card.
This isn't 'hate' this is my honest opinion of someone in the public arena who cannot do the job anymore and is ruining a show for me that I love.
Originally Posted by Mrs BBV:
“Oh I'm not anti BBC but I do think the BBC are damned if they do and damned if they don't where Bruce is concerned.
As many would be appallled at forcing him out as think he should be forced out so I really don't think they can do anything and as such they will let the situation fester unto something forces their hands......like Bruce dying on air.
Bruce's ego is too caught up in 'aren't I marvellous 150 years at the top of showbiz and I'm still going strong presenting prime time TV' mainly because no one has sat him down and said 'Mate you're too old and fuzzy for this now'.
And the BBC are too afraid of the ageist backlash caused by pensioning him off and so it goes on.....until someone's hand is forced.”
“Oh I'm not anti BBC but I do think the BBC are damned if they do and damned if they don't where Bruce is concerned.
As many would be appallled at forcing him out as think he should be forced out so I really don't think they can do anything and as such they will let the situation fester unto something forces their hands......like Bruce dying on air.
Bruce's ego is too caught up in 'aren't I marvellous 150 years at the top of showbiz and I'm still going strong presenting prime time TV' mainly because no one has sat him down and said 'Mate you're too old and fuzzy for this now'.
And the BBC are too afraid of the ageist backlash caused by pensioning him off and so it goes on.....until someone's hand is forced.”
tbh though I don't think anyone would really complain if they let him go. No one I know IRL, and the majority on any other online forum don't think he's up to it anymore.
IMO there would be a handful of criticisms, but the majority would be more than understanding of the decision.
What really riles me about this situation is that if he was female he would have been out on his ear years ago.
I have long wanted Bruce gone, but I that decision would also depend very much on his replacement. To have him replaced by John Barrowman would effectively make me stop watching the show and I have been an avid fan since series 2.
Seeing Tess and Claudia running the show very happily without them makes me hopeful that perhaps he doesn't need to be replaced.
That said - I'm not a huge Tess fan - I thought CIN showed Fearn Cotton to be infinitely better than Tess.
But one thing is sure - whatever decision is made, there is going to be a backlash
Seeing Tess and Claudia running the show very happily without them makes me hopeful that perhaps he doesn't need to be replaced.
That said - I'm not a huge Tess fan - I thought CIN showed Fearn Cotton to be infinitely better than Tess.
But one thing is sure - whatever decision is made, there is going to be a backlash
Originally Posted by reverse_diode:
“Just watched it again. Looks worse than I thought last night. Interestingly, he says something like "you've done worse, haven't you Suzanne?" and the camera immediately cuts to her nodding. Wonder why camera would have her in pre shot?”
“Just watched it again. Looks worse than I thought last night. Interestingly, he says something like "you've done worse, haven't you Suzanne?" and the camera immediately cuts to her nodding. Wonder why camera would have her in pre shot?”
It wasn't that immediate as I recall.
Originally Posted by inothernews:
“Thing is- I can think of a lot of out-take programmes were young and able people fluff their lines.
The various guest presenters of HIGNFY are regularly shown being unable to read a sentence out loud. But, because it is pre-recorded, they can do it again, and laugh at their sheer incompetence, without anyone suggesting they are past it.”
“Thing is- I can think of a lot of out-take programmes were young and able people fluff their lines.
The various guest presenters of HIGNFY are regularly shown being unable to read a sentence out loud. But, because it is pre-recorded, they can do it again, and laugh at their sheer incompetence, without anyone suggesting they are past it.”
Yes, it's a common occurrence when presenting or appearing as a panellist. Even radio shows have many retakes when the performers misread their scripts (which are in their hands in front of them).
Those bloopers can be edited out of course.
If Bruce wants to carry on working, which is fair enough, maybe he should do a tour of the various homes for retired actors (his first wife is in one of them) and perform for them.
He could give something back to the profession that has given him so much.
However, I can't see it happening. Not high profile enough for him and his ego.
He could give something back to the profession that has given him so much.
However, I can't see it happening. Not high profile enough for him and his ego.
I think he will step down after this year - he has other work lined up next year and that will take its toll. I wouldn't be surprised if he just does the specials next year like Blackpool, Halloween, Finale night and Xmas show. That way he cvan do one more year before fading away!
After Saturday, I think it's certain Bruce wont be back next year.
He'll either leave of his own accord, or be told to and be allowed to say it's his decision.
It wasn't nice to see him lose it like he did, it was more than being tongue-tied and seemed like he was having a stroke or unsure of where he was for a few long moments.
The BBC has to consider what's best for not only Bruce but the other staff and the show as a whole, and won't want to risk having many more scares like that.
He'll either leave of his own accord, or be told to and be allowed to say it's his decision.
It wasn't nice to see him lose it like he did, it was more than being tongue-tied and seemed like he was having a stroke or unsure of where he was for a few long moments.
The BBC has to consider what's best for not only Bruce but the other staff and the show as a whole, and won't want to risk having many more scares like that.
Originally Posted by The_abbott:
“I think he will step down after this year - he has other work lined up next year and that will take its toll. I wouldn't be surprised if he just does the specials next year like Blackpool, Halloween, Finale night and Xmas show. That way he cvan do one more year before fading away!”
“I think he will step down after this year - he has other work lined up next year and that will take its toll. I wouldn't be surprised if he just does the specials next year like Blackpool, Halloween, Finale night and Xmas show. That way he cvan do one more year before fading away!”
BIB - Please no. If he steps down, he should step down completely not just come back for the 'big' shows. If he's not able to work for the entire series without needing a 'break' every few weeks, then he's just not up to it and should hand the baton to someone infinitely more competent and less likely to keel over on live TV.
Originally Posted by Sandra Bee:
“If Bruce wants to carry on working, which is fair enough, maybe he should do a tour of the various homes for retired actors (his first wife is in one of them) and perform for them.
He could give something back to the profession that has given him so much.
However, I can't see it happening. Not high profile enough for him and his ego.”
“If Bruce wants to carry on working, which is fair enough, maybe he should do a tour of the various homes for retired actors (his first wife is in one of them) and perform for them.
He could give something back to the profession that has given him so much.
However, I can't see it happening. Not high profile enough for him and his ego.
”
I think that a big part of the problem is that he's so arrogant he'll never step down of his own accord. He seems to think that he's still capable, but he's not, and he's only going to get worse.
I'm not a major fan of Bruce other than his association with SCD. He makes me cringe sometimes, makes me smile occasionally but mostly is just familiar.
I find it sad IF people only have an issue with him due to his fluffing his lines. Our society is becoming increasingly age intolerant and I think that's wrong.
I find it sad IF people only have an issue with him due to his fluffing his lines. Our society is becoming increasingly age intolerant and I think that's wrong.
I can't speak for anyone else, but for me it's not age intolerance, it's about competence. And BF is no longer competent. It's time for him to go. He could have a nice life doing his one-man-shows, playing golf and spending time with his family. Instead he seems intent on becoming a laughing stock.
You only have to read the amount of posts on here since the weekend stating they thought he was having a stroke or some sort of seizure. The BBC surely do not want that on their conscience
You only have to read the amount of posts on here since the weekend stating they thought he was having a stroke or some sort of seizure. The BBC surely do not want that on their conscience
Sadly as each week goes by he looks increasingly wobbly and forgetful which distracts from what the show is actually about. I am increasingly nervous for him and unfortunately Tess is just not professional enough to hold it all together.
Originally Posted by Sandra Bee:
“His worst crime, I feel, is the constant muttering you can hear in the background when the judges are giving their critique.
He constantly contradicts Craig's opinions and if I was Craig, I would make a complaint about it. A lot of competitors say that it's Craig's opinion that they take on board and having Bruce wittering on at their side when they are trying to listen must be disconcerting. In fact there was one instant, I think it was during Craig's judging of Natalie's tango when he began to say that it wasn't dramatic enough and Bruce started rambling on about it and Craig just shut up in the end.
We want to hear what the judges have to say about the dances not what he has to say. His opinions are not relevant.
We would also have longer critiques from the judges if we didn't have to put up with pathetic 'Doctor, Doctor' jokes being read from a cue card.
This isn't 'hate' this is my honest opinion of someone in the public arena who cannot do the job anymore and is ruining a show for me that I love.”
“His worst crime, I feel, is the constant muttering you can hear in the background when the judges are giving their critique.
He constantly contradicts Craig's opinions and if I was Craig, I would make a complaint about it. A lot of competitors say that it's Craig's opinion that they take on board and having Bruce wittering on at their side when they are trying to listen must be disconcerting. In fact there was one instant, I think it was during Craig's judging of Natalie's tango when he began to say that it wasn't dramatic enough and Bruce started rambling on about it and Craig just shut up in the end.
We want to hear what the judges have to say about the dances not what he has to say. His opinions are not relevant.
We would also have longer critiques from the judges if we didn't have to put up with pathetic 'Doctor, Doctor' jokes being read from a cue card.
This isn't 'hate' this is my honest opinion of someone in the public arena who cannot do the job anymore and is ruining a show for me that I love.
”
BIB Sums up his contribution exactly. Shut up and go - now!
The problem I have with Brucie is that not only are his jokes laboured but after he delivers his punchline he has to go on and explain what he has just said.
If you listen to any of the really good Radio Presenters as soon as they have told the joke and/or story they go to soething else be it a music track or whatever.
I suspect the BBC feels that Strictly is synonamous(forgive spelling) with Bruce. Hence their reluctance to make a change. And whether you agree or disagree the audience figures are holding up very well.
If you listen to any of the really good Radio Presenters as soon as they have told the joke and/or story they go to soething else be it a music track or whatever.
I suspect the BBC feels that Strictly is synonamous(forgive spelling) with Bruce. Hence their reluctance to make a change. And whether you agree or disagree the audience figures are holding up very well.
Originally Posted by Phil Ander:
“... And whether you agree or disagree the audience figures are holding up very well.”
“... And whether you agree or disagree the audience figures are holding up very well.”
The audience figures hold up despite FForsyth, not because of him. Versions of the show around all do well and, luckily for their audiences, none of them have a failing, fading star of yesteryear presenting them.
Originally Posted by Mrs BBV:
“I have a theory that Bruce actually wants to go out literally on air as per Tommy Cooper. Seal his place in showbiz immortality and almost like national funeral. I think it appeals his ego.
I expect people will think this is an appalling thing to write but it's not meant as an anti Bruce sentiment it's just that showbiz has been his life and I do think he would be rather tickled to go out whilst performing......as opposed to some dribbling wreck of a man, doubled incontinent, living his days out reminiscing of his good old days at the top being humoured by his grandkids and carers.
You can't blame him to be honest. But the BBC have allowed sentiment to cloud their judgement here I'm afraid.”
“I have a theory that Bruce actually wants to go out literally on air as per Tommy Cooper. Seal his place in showbiz immortality and almost like national funeral. I think it appeals his ego.
I expect people will think this is an appalling thing to write but it's not meant as an anti Bruce sentiment it's just that showbiz has been his life and I do think he would be rather tickled to go out whilst performing......as opposed to some dribbling wreck of a man, doubled incontinent, living his days out reminiscing of his good old days at the top being humoured by his grandkids and carers.
You can't blame him to be honest. But the BBC have allowed sentiment to cloud their judgement here I'm afraid.”
This has crossed my mind many times. I think many posters have got to the point where they notice every little thing he does, so perhaps others don't notice it as much. Now and then when I'm watching Bruce, I think about something going wrong, but most of the time it's the way he mutters than annoys me. I know muttering is part of his trade mark, but the kind of muttering we are seeing is that of an elderly person under pressure.
On the other hand, I think most of the time Tess does a sterling job because working with Bruce can not be easy. When Tess and Bruce are doing a piece together, she has the producers speaking in her ear and she's trying to say her lines. Bruce won't wear an ear piece or glasses, so if he fluffs his bit, she is stuck trying to work out if she should let him recover, wait for the producers to say something or ad lib. I can imagine the producers talk to Tess a lot during the show simply because Bruce will not wear an ear piece. Tess is the one who knows what's going on, not Bruce. She does ad lib a fair bit, but Bruce would not be at all happy for her to be compensating for him. Not happy at all. He thinks ad libbing is his job, not hers.
I'd put money on the producers and Tess having many conversations about how to handle Bruce, particularly when he is making a mess of something. He might do a lot of work for charity, etc., but from the interviews I've seen of him, he is a rather arrogant man.
That's the first time I've heard that Bruce doesn't wear an earpiece. I suppose he's old school, and when he first started out in television presenters would've had to memorise everything and ad lib.
The glasses thing is obviously vanity related, but that's just stupid quite frankly, if Simon Cowell can get over himself enough to wear them on his shows then I'm sure that Bruce can.
The glasses thing is obviously vanity related, but that's just stupid quite frankly, if Simon Cowell can get over himself enough to wear them on his shows then I'm sure that Bruce can.
Originally Posted by Vodka_Drinka:
“That's the first time I've heard that Bruce doesn't wear an earpiece. I suppose he's old school, and when he first started out in television presenters would've had to memorise everything and ad lib.
The glasses thing is obviously vanity related, but that's just stupid quite frankly, if Simon Cowell can get over himself enough to wear them on his shows then I'm sure that Bruce can.”
“That's the first time I've heard that Bruce doesn't wear an earpiece. I suppose he's old school, and when he first started out in television presenters would've had to memorise everything and ad lib.
The glasses thing is obviously vanity related, but that's just stupid quite frankly, if Simon Cowell can get over himself enough to wear them on his shows then I'm sure that Bruce can.”
If he wore glasses more frequently he may realise that he is wearing an odd-coloured poorly fitting wig.
Such is the price of vanity.
There again, as another, wiser, poster has written, his ego knows no bounds.
In his own mind he probably thinks it is the BF Show and all of the contestants are merely supporting acts.
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