Originally Posted by Glawster2002:
“I wouldn't was Ian Curtis was the "leader" of Joy Division at all. They were very much a band. After he committed suicide Joy Division effectively ceased as a band, the remaining members changed direction as New Order.”
Creative centre then rather than leader...without Ian, New Order definitely took a new direction. Actually it didn't really bother me as musically it was great but the lyricism wasn't as strong.
Originally Posted by Glawster2002:
“However how many bands who achieve success do so with the true original line-up? Very, very, few. After ZZ Top and Rammstein I would be struggling to name any.”
Originally Posted by Glawster2002:
“As I'm not a fan they would never come to mind, but in general there are very few bands it would apply to.”
If you mean exactly the same members throughout the entire creative output of a band, it could be limiting, but it might be better to allow a degree of tolerance. That would mean a lot of bands might have no significant member changes throughout the main part of their careers. For example, The Beatles , ABBA, Radiohead, Led Zeppelin, Pixies, Talking Heads, Spandau Ballet, Coldplay, The Sex Pistols...
Originally Posted by Glawster2002:
“What I find strange, though, is how such a distinction is made for some bands but not others. I read a review for Alice In Chains recently, where the writer made a point of saying that the band now consisted of only 50% of the original line-up, but such a distinction is never made of other bands who have had line-up changes, like The Rolling Stones, AC/DC, etc.”
Is the distinction not part of what was said above...it is about whether a personnel change made a significant change in the creative direction of the band/group?
I like the idea of new band members coming on like substitutes in football. You might want to 'freshen up the lineup', or 'bring a new dimension into the play' or just 'try something different'. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.