Originally Posted by Thermometer:
“what a sad day for music”
“what a sad day for music”
Oh get over yourself!
1D New Album Sells 115k in the 1st Day of Release
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Originally Posted by Thermometer:
“what a sad day for music”
“what a sad day for music”
Never mind, Perhaps only albums you like will sell a lot in the future.
Originally Posted by Dizagaox:
“One Direction aren't "cheesy pop crap" though. I listened to the new album earlier today. It's more like an Ed Sheeran album with a few McFly-like pop-rock anthems thrown in.”
“One Direction aren't "cheesy pop crap" though. I listened to the new album earlier today. It's more like an Ed Sheeran album with a few McFly-like pop-rock anthems thrown in.”
The stuff they released before is cheesy. If songs like What Makes You Beautiful aren't cheesy then I don't know what is.
I never really understand why people get so angry and offended by boy bands like 1D. A market exists for them and they are aimed at a certain demographic. Everyone knows this and they're not really seen as serious musicians so they should be an irrelevance to most music listeners. I suppose it's another example of people taking sales far too seriously.
To be honest, I am much more offended by some of the limp-wristed MOR music peddling artists that we're supposed to be taking seriously as examples of 'good' artists. But again, there's a market for it as most people have quite samey, boring taste in music so what ya gonna do?
To be honest, I am much more offended by some of the limp-wristed MOR music peddling artists that we're supposed to be taking seriously as examples of 'good' artists. But again, there's a market for it as most people have quite samey, boring taste in music so what ya gonna do?
Originally Posted by LED93:
“Its hardly snobbery as this is a forum used to express taste in music. If sales really do indicate talent, then old music must be better as the biggest selling albums are from the likes of Pink Floyd, AC DC and Michael Jackson, not generic rubbish that clogs up the charts.”
“Its hardly snobbery as this is a forum used to express taste in music. If sales really do indicate talent, then old music must be better as the biggest selling albums are from the likes of Pink Floyd, AC DC and Michael Jackson, not generic rubbish that clogs up the charts.”
Yet anyone who expresses a positive opinion on them is shot down as having an inferior opinion as they're 'gay, a 13 year old girl with more hormones than brains' or 'sheep'.
Story of My Life has been added to the A List on Radio 2 due to it's popularity, and teenage fangirls are hardly their target audience, are they?
Originally Posted by Smudged:
“I never really understand why people get so angry and offended by boy bands like 1D. A market exists for them and they are aimed at a certain demographic. Everyone knows this and they're not really seen as serious musicians so they should be an irrelevance to most music listeners. I suppose it's another example of people taking sales far too seriously.”
“I never really understand why people get so angry and offended by boy bands like 1D. A market exists for them and they are aimed at a certain demographic. Everyone knows this and they're not really seen as serious musicians so they should be an irrelevance to most music listeners. I suppose it's another example of people taking sales far too seriously.”
Part of the problem is that they're overexposed and the media shove them in our faces a lot and those who are not fans or not really interested in their music/career find it a bit boring. They're everywhere!
Everyone knows that big sales doesn't mean quality, you just need to look at the crap that's in the charts.
It really isn't worth bothering about
It really isn't worth bothering about
Originally Posted by cnbcwatcher:
“Part of the problem is that they're overexposed and the media shove them in our faces a lot and those who are not fans or not really interested in their music/career find it a bit boring. They're everywhere!”
“Part of the problem is that they're overexposed and the media shove them in our faces a lot and those who are not fans or not really interested in their music/career find it a bit boring. They're everywhere!”
Sadly it happens.......Last year Emile Sande was all over the place. I remember John Barrowman (not music, well actually yes music too) replying to a fan question on this and replied it is the nature of the beast, he has to take the jobs while people want him because if he refuses jobs then pretty soon the work will dry up.
What does it matter if 1D are No.1 with 200,000+ UK Album Sales on Sunday?
It is only their 2nd week at No.1 in the UK Album Chart.
Their first Album reached No.2. Their 2nd was No.1 for one
Week. Hardly 'Chart Dominance'.....
They tend to do very well in Week 1, & then their Sales drop
in Week 2. It is the same with their Singles & Albums.
In the USA, they may get their 3rd No.1 Album this Week -
the 1st Act to have No.1's with their first 3 Albums since
The Monkees, in 1966/1967.
It will only be their 3rd Week at No.1 there. The first 3 USA
No.1 Albums by The Monkees spent 32 Weeks at No.1
between them.
Despite all the hype & fuss, ID do not dominate the Charts.
If they were as big as the Media make out, everything they
release would get to No.1, & each Hit would spend ages
there.
They have 7 Hits in the UK Mid Week Top 40, & if they
are still there on Sunday, it will be a Chart Record for
a Group. (The Beatles had 6 Top 40 Hits at the same
time on W/E 17th April 1976). But, it does not take away
the fact that 1D have only had 4 UK No.1 Singles, (so far),
with just 4 Weeks at No.1 between them.
The Beatles had 17 No.1 Singles & spent 69 Weeks at No.1.
I compile many types of Lists on the UK Charts, & 1D
have yet to make much of an impact in any of them.
It is only their 2nd week at No.1 in the UK Album Chart.
Their first Album reached No.2. Their 2nd was No.1 for one
Week. Hardly 'Chart Dominance'.....
They tend to do very well in Week 1, & then their Sales drop
in Week 2. It is the same with their Singles & Albums.
In the USA, they may get their 3rd No.1 Album this Week -
the 1st Act to have No.1's with their first 3 Albums since
The Monkees, in 1966/1967.
It will only be their 3rd Week at No.1 there. The first 3 USA
No.1 Albums by The Monkees spent 32 Weeks at No.1
between them.
Despite all the hype & fuss, ID do not dominate the Charts.
If they were as big as the Media make out, everything they
release would get to No.1, & each Hit would spend ages
there.
They have 7 Hits in the UK Mid Week Top 40, & if they
are still there on Sunday, it will be a Chart Record for
a Group. (The Beatles had 6 Top 40 Hits at the same
time on W/E 17th April 1976). But, it does not take away
the fact that 1D have only had 4 UK No.1 Singles, (so far),
with just 4 Weeks at No.1 between them.
The Beatles had 17 No.1 Singles & spent 69 Weeks at No.1.
I compile many types of Lists on the UK Charts, & 1D
have yet to make much of an impact in any of them.
Originally Posted by Zeus555:
“What does it matter if 1D are No.1 with 200,000+ UK Album Sales on Sunday?
It is only their 2nd week at No.1 in the UK Album Chart.
Their first Album reached No.2. Their 2nd was No.1 for one
Week. Hardly 'Chart Dominance'.....
They tend to do very well in Week 1, & then their Sales drop
in Week 2. It is the same with their Singles & Albums.
In the USA, they may get their 3rd No.1 Album this Week -
the 1st Act to have No.1's with their first 3 Albums since
The Monkees, in 1966/1967.
It will only be their 3rd Week at No.1 there. The first 3 USA
No.1 Albums by The Monkees spent 32 Weeks at No.1
between them.
Despite all the hype & fuss, ID do not dominate the Charts.
If they were as big as the Media make out, everything they
release would get to No.1, & each Hit would spend ages
there.
They have 7 Hits in the UK Mid Week Top 40, & if they
are still there on Sunday, it will be a Chart Record for
a Group. (The Beatles had 6 Top 40 Hits at the same
time on W/E 17th April 1976). But, it does not take away
the fact that 1D have only had 4 UK No.1 Singles, (so far),
with just 4 Weeks at No.1 between them.
The Beatles had 17 No.1 Singles & spent 69 Weeks at No.1.
I compile many types of Lists on the UK Charts, & 1D
have yet to make much of an impact in any of them.”
“What does it matter if 1D are No.1 with 200,000+ UK Album Sales on Sunday?
It is only their 2nd week at No.1 in the UK Album Chart.
Their first Album reached No.2. Their 2nd was No.1 for one
Week. Hardly 'Chart Dominance'.....
They tend to do very well in Week 1, & then their Sales drop
in Week 2. It is the same with their Singles & Albums.
In the USA, they may get their 3rd No.1 Album this Week -
the 1st Act to have No.1's with their first 3 Albums since
The Monkees, in 1966/1967.
It will only be their 3rd Week at No.1 there. The first 3 USA
No.1 Albums by The Monkees spent 32 Weeks at No.1
between them.
Despite all the hype & fuss, ID do not dominate the Charts.
If they were as big as the Media make out, everything they
release would get to No.1, & each Hit would spend ages
there.
They have 7 Hits in the UK Mid Week Top 40, & if they
are still there on Sunday, it will be a Chart Record for
a Group. (The Beatles had 6 Top 40 Hits at the same
time on W/E 17th April 1976). But, it does not take away
the fact that 1D have only had 4 UK No.1 Singles, (so far),
with just 4 Weeks at No.1 between them.
The Beatles had 17 No.1 Singles & spent 69 Weeks at No.1.
I compile many types of Lists on the UK Charts, & 1D
have yet to make much of an impact in any of them.”
It's funny how people (not necessarily you, Zeus555) are offended when anybody dares make a positive comparison between 1D and the Beatles. Yet when they might get the biggest first week sales of the year (which is chart dominance, even if it's only for a week), they suddenly have to be as successful as the Beatles in order to be acknowledged
And these 7 songs inside the top 40 are obviously not going to stay there... So don't worry, they won't take that record away from the Beatles
Originally Posted by cnbcwatcher:
“Part of the problem is that they're overexposed and the media shove them in our faces a lot and those who are not fans or not really interested in their music/career find it a bit boring. They're everywhere!”
“Part of the problem is that they're overexposed and the media shove them in our faces a lot and those who are not fans or not really interested in their music/career find it a bit boring. They're everywhere!”
Really? It doesn't feel that way to me. Speaking as someone who tries to avoid most current pop music, the exposure of 1D is not as pervasive as that of the female pop artists like Katy Perry, Gaga, Rihanna, Taylor Swift etc. I honestly would struggle to pick them out in a Police line-up or name more than two of their songs.
Originally Posted by andi84:
“It's funny how people (not necessarily you, Zeus555) are offended when anybody dares make a positive comparison between 1D and the Beatles.”
“It's funny how people (not necessarily you, Zeus555) are offended when anybody dares make a positive comparison between 1D and the Beatles.”
It's not offensive it's just ridiculous. I don't remember people making these sort of comparisons about other boy bands in the past like NKOTB and Take That. Although thinking about it, that was pre-Internet when people didn't wet themselves over sales statistics.
Originally Posted by Smudged:
“Really? It doesn't feel that way to me. Speaking as someone who tries to avoid most current pop music, the exposure of 1D is not as pervasive as that of the female pop artists like Katy Perry, Gaga, Rihanna, Taylor Swift etc. I honestly would struggle to pick them out in a Police line-up or name more than two of their songs.”
“Really? It doesn't feel that way to me. Speaking as someone who tries to avoid most current pop music, the exposure of 1D is not as pervasive as that of the female pop artists like Katy Perry, Gaga, Rihanna, Taylor Swift etc. I honestly would struggle to pick them out in a Police line-up or name more than two of their songs.”
Well, I don't know what you are watching exactly, but they are everywhere - media talks about them all the time, hyping them around - just look at DS, there are about 4-5 "news" a day about them and I say "news" because 90 % of it is not even related to their music but who dates who and their Twitter statements. So I get what cnbcwatcher is saying.
Like I said, the album shows a decent progress from them and they have great media coverage so it is not surprising to see these sales. However, I do mind some messages they send through few songs and that many songs on the album don't sound like them but like other successful rock/folk bands, not to mention that a few songs again have the melodies from famous songs . They basically don't have their own sound, but maybe they will finally get it by next album and stop doing "homages" like they always claim they do.
Originally Posted by zeze88:
“Well, I don't know what you are watching exactly, but they are everywhere - media talks about them all the time, hyping them around - just look at DS, there are about 4-5 "news" a day about them and I say "news" because 90 % of it is not even related to their music but who dates who and their Twitter statements. So I get what cnbcwatcher is saying.”
“Well, I don't know what you are watching exactly, but they are everywhere - media talks about them all the time, hyping them around - just look at DS, there are about 4-5 "news" a day about them and I say "news" because 90 % of it is not even related to their music but who dates who and their Twitter statements. So I get what cnbcwatcher is saying.”
Maybe that's why it doesn't register on my radar
. Seriously though, I'm not saying they don't get the media exposure, I'm saying that as a music fan who's not interested in celebrity culture, when it comes to their music and them as music 'artists' they seem surprisingly easy to overlook considering they're supposed to be this big thing.I am looking at this in comparison to other 'big' boy/girl bands of the past but I don't think this is just an age thing. I think a lot of the exposure happens online through the Internet these days and that is a lot easier to filter out and avoid than when it happens on mainstream TV/radio as happened in the past before the Internet, when there were far fewer media outlets (or alternative sources of music for the listener to use instead)..
But I don't think it's just that either
. The other reason imo is that they haven't had good enough pop songs that hang around long enough to register with people like me (apart from What Makes You Beautiful, which is a good pop tune imo despite the lyrics being a bit wet and the average singing).
Ok, so I had enough of the hate on here and went to my local HMV this morning and bought the album so I could hear it for myself!
And, actually, it's pretty good, there are a few I'm not keen on but for the most part it's an album consisting of folky, 80's electronic rock music, INSANELY catchy choruses, strong vocals and tight harmonies, very impressed actually.
And, actually, it's pretty good, there are a few I'm not keen on but for the most part it's an album consisting of folky, 80's electronic rock music, INSANELY catchy choruses, strong vocals and tight harmonies, very impressed actually.
Originally Posted by twingle:
“Sadly it happens.......Last year Emile Sande was all over the place. I remember John Barrowman (not music, well actually yes music too) replying to a fan question on this and replied it is the nature of the beast, he has to take the jobs while people want him because if he refuses jobs then pretty soon the work will dry up.”
“Sadly it happens.......Last year Emile Sande was all over the place. I remember John Barrowman (not music, well actually yes music too) replying to a fan question on this and replied it is the nature of the beast, he has to take the jobs while people want him because if he refuses jobs then pretty soon the work will dry up.”
Yeah and in 2011 Adele was shoved down our throats. It does put people off a particular act. I listen to what I like and not what the media thinks we should like.
In all honesty, I don't know why are many of you getting worked up about bad comments when EVERY past boyband went through it - the only ones that are respected are Take That, and that is only after the reunion, and Backstreet Boys.
The hate is nothing new and at least the media are mostly positive about them - when Westlife went head to head with The Beatles and Oasis and actually got no.1, everyone called it "the day the music died" - The Sun even made a campaign to stop Westlife getting no. 1. Gary Barlow dissed them which I find ridiculous as they are in the same line of work, while Noel Gallagher burned Westlife's new album album on his concerts And of course, media also mocked Westlife for covers, stools, key change, how they dressed.
So the backslash is nothing new, it is not any worse for 1D. Here is advice for all 1D fans: just ignore snide comments because, the more you fight with haters, the more fuss you create. Just love their music and ignore the haters because they will ALWAYS exist.
The hate is nothing new and at least the media are mostly positive about them - when Westlife went head to head with The Beatles and Oasis and actually got no.1, everyone called it "the day the music died" - The Sun even made a campaign to stop Westlife getting no. 1. Gary Barlow dissed them which I find ridiculous as they are in the same line of work, while Noel Gallagher burned Westlife's new album album on his concerts
And of course, media also mocked Westlife for covers, stools, key change, how they dressed. So the backslash is nothing new, it is not any worse for 1D. Here is advice for all 1D fans: just ignore snide comments because, the more you fight with haters, the more fuss you create. Just love their music and ignore the haters because they will ALWAYS exist.
Originally Posted by AdzPower:
“You know what? I feel sorry for them, they always get bashed and haven't actually done anything wrong, they are nice, likeable boys and I have never seen them acting like asses a la The Wanted, they seem to genuinely appreciate their success, I like that they do well, I'm not the biggest fan but I say good for them!”
“You know what? I feel sorry for them, they always get bashed and haven't actually done anything wrong, they are nice, likeable boys and I have never seen them acting like asses a la The Wanted, they seem to genuinely appreciate their success, I like that they do well, I'm not the biggest fan but I say good for them!”
This is my view.
Originally Posted by zeze88:
“In all honesty, I don't know why are many of you getting worked up about bad comments when EVERY past boyband went through it - the only ones that are respected are Take That, and that is only after the reunion, and Backstreet Boys.
The hate is nothing new and at least the media are mostly positive about them - when Westlife went head to head with The Beatles and Oasis and actually got no.1, everyone called it "the day the music died" - The Sun even made a campaign to stop Westlife getting no. 1. Gary Barlow dissed them which I find ridiculous as they are in the same line of work, while Noel Gallagher burned Westlife's new album album on his concerts And of course, media also mocked Westlife for covers, stools, key change, how they dressed.
So the backslash is nothing new, it is not any worse for 1D. Here is advice for all 1D fans: just ignore snide comments because, the more you fight with haters, the more fuss you create. Just love their music and ignore the haters because they will ALWAYS exist.”
“In all honesty, I don't know why are many of you getting worked up about bad comments when EVERY past boyband went through it - the only ones that are respected are Take That, and that is only after the reunion, and Backstreet Boys.
The hate is nothing new and at least the media are mostly positive about them - when Westlife went head to head with The Beatles and Oasis and actually got no.1, everyone called it "the day the music died" - The Sun even made a campaign to stop Westlife getting no. 1. Gary Barlow dissed them which I find ridiculous as they are in the same line of work, while Noel Gallagher burned Westlife's new album album on his concerts
And of course, media also mocked Westlife for covers, stools, key change, how they dressed. So the backslash is nothing new, it is not any worse for 1D. Here is advice for all 1D fans: just ignore snide comments because, the more you fight with haters, the more fuss you create. Just love their music and ignore the haters because they will ALWAYS exist.”
The word 'haters' is one of the most irritating, patronising, arrogant words popularised in the 21st century.
Btw when on earth did Westlife ever go "head to head" with the Beatles. This is news to me that a 90s boy band were even in the same room as the 60s Beatles.
Btw it wasn't just the media who mocked Westlife for the key changes and chairs, it was everyone. Mainly because it was so ****ing cliched.
Originally Posted by Thermometer:
“what a sad day for music”
“what a sad day for music”
Of course it isnt, pop is short for popular, that doesnt necessarily mean popular with you, or me, just popular in general. They are.
Crikey, as I look back at the music I've known as I grew up, we had the avons in the '50's, Scaffold in the 60's, we started the 70's with a cartoon band at number 1, and if music can survive Mud, wand erection won't kill it off any time soon.
Originally Posted by Charlottesweb:
“Of course it isnt, pop is short for popular, that doesnt necessarily mean popular with you, or me, just popular in general. They are.
Crikey, as I look back at the music I've known as I grew up, we had the avons in the '50's, Scaffold in the 60's, we started the 70's with a cartoon band at number 1, and if music can survive Mud, wand erection won't kill it off any time soon.”
“Of course it isnt, pop is short for popular, that doesnt necessarily mean popular with you, or me, just popular in general. They are.
Crikey, as I look back at the music I've known as I grew up, we had the avons in the '50's, Scaffold in the 60's, we started the 70's with a cartoon band at number 1, and if music can survive Mud, wand erection won't kill it off any time soon.”
And yet as bad as all those bands were, they were probably more organic than one direction, who were put together from a lineup on a tv reality show and had millions pumped into their PR, bodies and sound engineers.
Originally Posted by BelfastGuy125:
“And yet as bad as all those bands were, they were probably more organic than one direction, who were put together from a lineup on a tv reality show and had millions pumped into their PR, bodies and sound engineers.”
“And yet as bad as all those bands were, they were probably more organic than one direction, who were put together from a lineup on a tv reality show and had millions pumped into their PR, bodies and sound engineers.”
The Archies were cartoon characters on a TV show, I really dont think you can get less 'organic' than that.
The Monkees were exactly like 1D, put together specifically to make a TV show about a band, and then released some songs.
I'll also throw in Bay City Rollers, who were not only as manufactured but probably worse singers than 1D
None of this is new. This is the history of chart music, its always been this, it always will be this.
Originally Posted by BelfastGuy125:
“The word 'haters' is one of the most irritating, patronising, arrogant words popularised in the 21st century.
Btw when on earth did Westlife ever go "head to head" with the Beatles. This is news to me that a 90s boy band were even in the same room as the 60s Beatles.
Btw it wasn't just the media who mocked Westlife for the key changes and chairs, it was everyone. Mainly because it was so ****ing cliched.”
“The word 'haters' is one of the most irritating, patronising, arrogant words popularised in the 21st century.
Btw when on earth did Westlife ever go "head to head" with the Beatles. This is news to me that a 90s boy band were even in the same room as the 60s Beatles.
Btw it wasn't just the media who mocked Westlife for the key changes and chairs, it was everyone. Mainly because it was so ****ing cliched.”
I am not stupid, I know Beatles were in the 60s and Westlife in the late 90s
In 2006, Beatles and Oasis released a Greatest Hits album at the same Westlife released their new album. Westlife were heading to no.1 which caused an outrage with people and the media (The Sun), but they ended being no.1 anyway.Fine, you don't like word haters, I could have easily said people who disilke 1D, I hope that's better.
And I know that everyone mocked Westlife, I just pointed out that even the media was doing it which was very unprofessional.
Originally Posted by Charlottesweb:
“The Archies were cartoon characters on a TV show, I really dont think you can get less 'organic' than that.
The Monkees were exactly like 1D, put together specifically to make a TV show about a band, and then released some songs.
I'll also throw in Bay City Rollers, who were not only as manufactured but probably worse singers than 1D
None of this is new. This is the history of chart music, its always been this, it always will be this.”
“The Archies were cartoon characters on a TV show, I really dont think you can get less 'organic' than that.
The Monkees were exactly like 1D, put together specifically to make a TV show about a band, and then released some songs.
I'll also throw in Bay City Rollers, who were not only as manufactured but probably worse singers than 1D
None of this is new. This is the history of chart music, its always been this, it always will be this.”
Generally in those era's there was a strong counterbalance of quality material in the charts. At the minute though not so much really.
Originally Posted by Rocketpop:
“Generally in those era's there was a strong counterbalance of quality material in the charts. At the minute though not so much really.”
“Generally in those era's there was a strong counterbalance of quality material in the charts. At the minute though not so much really.”
Surely "quality music" is subjective? That goes for anything in any walk of life. There will always be a band such as The Beatles, or a piece of art work such as the Mona Lisa etc. that's held up as the pinnacle of something. Yet not everyone would call the Mona Lisa a fantastic painting, or would think The Beatles made fantastic music.
I'm not saying that The Beatles make bad music, or that One Direction have something they don't but 1D fans think their music is quality. Try to make their opinion seem less than it is by saying the fans are sheep all you want, but their ears like what they hear.
There's lots of things in which you can determine what is the best quality product, music is not one of them (and yes, all music is a product being sold, regardless of who's selling it).
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