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Old 26-11-2013, 22:24
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Having just watched EE tonight, I have a question. Are we meant to have sympathy and empathy for Alfie?

Like his wife cheated on him - poor guy! But honestly he's lead Roxy on and has stringed her along all year and on their wedding day he leaves her!

I'm really surprised about all those people who hate Roxy, she's done nothing wrong!

In my opinion Alfie is a wuss and deserves everything coming to him next week!
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Old 26-11-2013, 22:27
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I have no sympathy for him, can't wait for to see him kicked out the Vic, even better if Phil literally kicked him out
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Old 26-11-2013, 22:30
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I agree with you.

In my opinion Alfie and Roxy should never have got together.

It was apparent he was on the rebound.

You don't get with someone 5 minutes after breaking up with your wife- it's apparent he wasn't over Kat so it was cruel of Alfie to get with Roxy as this was only ever going to hurt her.

Having said that Roxy should have had the sense not to get with Alfie but I guess love makes you blind.
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Old 26-11-2013, 22:32
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I have no sympathy for him, can't wait for to see him kicked out the Vic, even better if Phil literally kicked him out
I can't wait to see it! And then he has the cheek to throw the busy through their window!

Also I have to say tonight's episode was so unrealistic! Alfie wouldn't have been able to go near the plane after the way he was running around the airport knocking people over screaming and shouting! Never mind actually getting on the plane a second before it's about to fly!
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Old 26-11-2013, 22:34
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Nah, were all meant to rejoice at him and Kat getting back together: rolleyes:
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Old 26-11-2013, 22:35
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Well for me, the telling line of the night came from Kat - 'You just left her standing at the altar??' That line felt like it was dropped in by the writer to at least aknowledge to the audience that 'Yes we agree, Alfie did a pretty terrible thing today.' If they think the audience are going to go with Kat and Alfie this time, I think they may be surprised.
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Old 26-11-2013, 22:44
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Having said that Roxy should have had the sense not to get with Alfie but I guess love makes you blind.
Was she also blind when she had a one night stand with Jack and ended up pregnant? Or when she sleeps with him again...or when she tried to seduce Max?
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Old 26-11-2013, 22:52
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Was she also blind when she had a one night stand with Jack and ended up pregnant? Or when she sleeps with him again...or when she tried to seduce Max?
To be honest fair point. I can't remember the exact details of the incident with Jack, certainly she was especially in the wrong bearing in mind her sister but I wouldn't be surprised if alcohol had played a part. Perhaps someone can remember?

Also Jack wasn't innocent in that event either.

Yeah Roxy's done wrong in the past but I feel for her in this episode and think Alfie's in the wrong here.

If he was in a bad place after Kat he should have remained single not got with someone else.

Either way Alfie and Kat deserve each other.

Roxy should meet someone else though only when she is truly over Alfie.
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Old 26-11-2013, 22:54
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Was she also blind when she had a one night stand with Jack and ended up pregnant? Or when she sleeps with him again...or when she tried to seduce Max?
No-one's claiming Roxy's a naiive innocent here, just that she maybe didnt deserve to,be completely humiliated and heartbroken in the worst possible way by the man she loved. Bizarre to me that people somehow think she 'deserved' it...
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Old 26-11-2013, 22:58
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Well for me, the telling line of the night came from Kat - 'You just left her standing at the altar??' That line felt like it was dropped in by the writer to at least aknowledge to the audience that 'Yes we agree, Alfie did a pretty terrible thing today.' If they think the audience are going to go with Kat and Alfie this time, I think they may be surprised.
I don't think so. It seems like the vast majority support, Alfie and Kat getting back together which I can't understand.
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Old 26-11-2013, 22:59
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Was she also blind when she had a one night stand with Jack and ended up pregnant? Or when she sleeps with him again...or when she tried to seduce Max?
Being stupid does not make you a bad person.

I am talking about Roxanne, not Moon.
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Old 26-11-2013, 23:26
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I don't think so. It seems like the vast majority support, Alfie and Kat getting back together which I can't understand.
What threads are you reading? The press supports them, which is natural as the show would request that spin and he actors to portray a consistent message. The threads appear to talk that roxy and Alfie were not true lve, but kat is a better character on her own and people don't portray them as true love after all the cheating. Happened to max and Tanya too
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Old 26-11-2013, 23:38
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No I don't Alfie is an idiot, he keeps taking back a woman who keeps cheating on him, and marries a woman who he doesn't love and 5 mins later just to leave her and go after his Ex
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Old 26-11-2013, 23:44
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What threads are you reading? The press supports them, which is natural as the show would request that spin and he actors to portray a consistent message. The threads appear to talk that roxy and Alfie were not true lve, but kat is a better character on her own and people don't portray them as true love after all the cheating. Happened to max and Tanya too
People on Facebook and Twitter seem to support them.
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Old 26-11-2013, 23:50
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Being stupid does not make you a bad person.

I am talking about Roxanne, not Moon.
Thing is I think she has been kind of morally wrong... she slept with someone her sister loves/loved, did it again, came onto Max whilst Tanya had cancer....she declared her feelings to Alfie whilst he was still married. If it was once ok, but its a pattern.

She has matured alot this year though but the second her marriage to Alfie is over she's humiliating herself in the pub with Carl...
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Old 26-11-2013, 23:57
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Thing is I think she has been kind of morally wrong... she slept with someone her sister loves/loved, did it again, came onto Max whilst Tanya had cancer....she declared her feelings to Alfie whilst he was still married. If it was once ok, but its a pattern.

She has matured alot this year though but the second her marriage to Alfie is over she's humiliating herself in the pub with Carl...
She's done wrong in the past, so to has Kat and in this storyline Alfie is in the wrong.

They've all done wrong but in this storyline I feel most for Roxy, least for Alfie.

It's actually made me dislike the character of Alfie whilst Kat has been slightly redeemed in the past number of months.

I agree Roxy should avoid the Vic though. The last place I'd go to is the pub of my ex where he's holed up with his new gf rubbing it in.
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Old 26-11-2013, 23:58
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People on Facebook and Twitter seem to support them.
Maybe digitalspy is a minority. Although I question any person who believes a meant to be couple involving 4/5 affairs! It's a shame. I like kat and thus I'm going to go back to how I felt a year ago, as I have never liked Alfie. And he's going to look a grade a idiot thinking he'd stay in the vic as landlord and it would be happy ever after. Especially when he's jilted the owners cousin and the owners cousin stole his baby, making it awkward as it is. Phil would have never accepted a situation where his cousin couldn't enter his own pub whatever she had done. And isn't roxys name down as landlady. Therefore, why is roxy the one leaving and not Alfie? Personally, I wouldn't have minded roxy and ronnie living there and running the place. But it will probably be good to have a change. But what will Alfie do? And what will ronnie and roxy do long term?im still expecting roxy to end up pregnant. It might even bring some interesting discussions re ronnie and Alfie. Especially if roxy decides Alfie is to have nothing to do with the baby.
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Old 27-11-2013, 00:00
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She's done wrong in the past, so to has Kat and in this storyline Alfie is in the wrong.

They've all done wrong but in this storyline I feel most for Roxy, least for Alfie.

It's actually made me dislike the character of Alfie whilst Kat has been slightly redeemed in the past number of months.

I agree Roxy should avoid the Vic though. The last place I'd go to is the pub of my ex where he's holed up with his new gf rubbing it in.
It's not just any old pub though is it? It's her family's pub. I'm surprised phil doesn't kick him out straight away. He wouldn't have a leg to stand on legally to stay there.
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Old 27-11-2013, 00:02
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I thought it was really funny when Phil dragged Alfie back in the church. He deserved it!
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Old 27-11-2013, 00:04
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I thought it was really funny when Phil dragged Alfie back in the church. He deserved it!
Yeah fair play Phil!
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Old 27-11-2013, 00:05
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It's not just any old pub though is it? It's her family's pub. I'm surprised phil doesn't kick him out straight away. He wouldn't have a leg to stand on legally to stay there.
Fair point.

Phil should just kick the Moon's out.
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Old 28-11-2013, 13:50
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Well for me, the telling line of the night came from Kat - 'You just left her standing at the altar??' That line felt like it was dropped in by the writer to at least aknowledge to the audience that 'Yes we agree, Alfie did a pretty terrible thing today.' If they think the audience are going to go with Kat and Alfie this time, I think they may be surprised.
Hmm. I'm not sure the writers are clever enough to put that line in as a pointer to future moral ambiguity driven plots.

I think it was a daft attempt at trying to make Kat seem more sympathetic. As in 'I'm the formally fallen woman who has now been supposedly redeemed.... see, look at me acknowledge what Alfie did was bad. My moralz, let me show you them cheap words, rather than actions'.

To the thread in general, I don't believe the 'Kat and Alfie' magic has worked since they returned. This year they have tried to get that magic back and failed. One of the reasons for their success in the last stint was because their relationship was good natured and even sweet... a love story. Getting Kat and Alfie back together at the expense of jilting your bride minutes after marrying her is not in the same spirit at all. Roxy has grown up this past year, Kat and Alfie are regressing to ridiculousness.
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Old 28-11-2013, 16:17
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It's not just any old pub though is it? It's her family's pub. I'm surprised phil doesn't kick him out straight away. He wouldn't have a leg to stand on legally to stay there.
Well it rather depends on the terms of their contract. As far as I can make out, Alfie pays Phil set rent and then keeps any profits or losses above that so provided he pays his rent on time, Phil would have difficulty just evicting him for personal reasons. However, we know that Alfie has fallen into arrears with the rent (we were told that last year) and has just upped and left for weeks on end without arranging appropriate cover at least twice in a ywar so he is on shaky ground from a business footing. Fact is, phil would have got rid of him last year except that lkat begged him not to and he insisted on Roxy taking over. Alfie is an idiot to think there wouldn't be some comeback on this.

Re Roxy, no she idn't very nice a lot of the time and was an idiot to get involved with Alfie so quickly but she has always struck me as being very insecure with a desperate need to be wanted and loved and that has just blinded her to the truth, as it also did when she was chasing Jack after Amy was born.

Re the original ONS with Jack, she and Ronnie had argued and she was drunk. That doesn't excuse it but that was what happened.

No matter what, nobody deserves to be treated the way Alfie has Roxy and then he has the nerve to feel hard done by when he is asked to leave her family's pub!!!!
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Old 28-11-2013, 16:21
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As an aside, i'm really not sure that Social media is representative of the wider audience. By definition, you are something of a 'fan' if you take the time to post on forums and whilst however many people might 'like' a fan page on Facebook, those that don't like the couple wouldn't bother to go on at all. Perhaps if there was a page for 'I hate the kalfie reunion' that would get just as many if not more likes.

TPTB seem convinced that we are all as invested in them as we were in 2003 and I just don't think that is the case.
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