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Old 27-11-2013, 12:17
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Woman tries to leave the country, taking the kid, without taking the father - Completely okay

If the situation was reversed, the man would be facing a long, long time in prison
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Old 27-11-2013, 12:21
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His father is dead.
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Old 27-11-2013, 12:21
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Tommy's father is dead...
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Old 27-11-2013, 12:23
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Legally, she can do what she wants. His biological father is dead and Alfie has not officially adopted him. Morally, she was completely wrong. It's unfair of her to allow Alfie to raise Tommy and call himself his dad, just to take him away. It was disgusting.
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Old 27-11-2013, 12:23
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Granted, but had Alfie not applied for legal fatherhood yet? I thought he had
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Old 27-11-2013, 12:24
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All this 'Tommy's father is dead' stuff is silly and ignorant. Yes Michael was Tommy's biological parent, but he was never a father to that child. Alfie has always been and will always be Tommy's dad. Legally Alfie would still have access to him; he was married to Tommy's mother and step parental rights would apply.
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Old 27-11-2013, 12:26
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Agreed, but that doesn't trump the legal side without Alfie having it in order. Without a piece of paperwork - he pretty much is screwed.
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Old 27-11-2013, 12:27
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Not long ago Alfie took Amy (and Roxy) out of the country without telling Jack.
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Old 27-11-2013, 12:38
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Even worse was Tommy being 'looked after' by the stewardess while Kat and Alfie necked eachother on a plane runway.

Sigh...
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Old 27-11-2013, 12:51
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Even worse was Tommy being 'looked after' by the stewardess while Kat and Alfie necked eachother on a plane runway.

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Old 27-11-2013, 12:54
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Even worse was Tommy being 'looked after' by the stewardess while Kat and Alfie necked eachother on a plane runway.

Sigh...
Whist Roxy went off with Phil and Ronnie leaving Amy at the church.
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Old 27-11-2013, 12:56
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Alfie didn't even say anything to Kat about her taking Tommy away from him... The whole thing was ridiculous.
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Old 27-11-2013, 13:10
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Its just been a mess of a storyline since Kat was revealed as having an affair with Derek. And now all the characters go back to square 1.
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Old 27-11-2013, 19:50
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I hate how everyone's always quick to point out that Michael is Tommy's biological father.
When Ronnie came back and Alfie was really angry at her, people kept commenting that he didn't have a right to be angry because he wasn't Tommy's father!
Alfie is Tommy's father, despite it not being biological. Michael was never a father to him.

Last night's episode was just a mess, in my opinion.
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Old 27-11-2013, 20:07
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Poor Tommy with the man in the moon as his dad
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Old 27-11-2013, 20:09
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Poor Tommy with the man in the moon as his dad
To be fair to Alfie, he's better as a dad than anything else. That's not saying very much though is it?
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Old 27-11-2013, 20:11
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Alfie didn't even say anything to Kat about her taking Tommy away from him... The whole thing was ridiculous.
Exactly. He can't love Tommy that much if he wasn't the slightest bit annoyed Kat was trying to take him out of the country.
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Old 27-11-2013, 20:12
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I hate how everyone's always quick to point out that Michael is Tommy's biological father.
When Ronnie came back and Alfie was really angry at her, people kept commenting that he didn't have a right to be angry because he wasn't Tommy's father!

Alfie is Tommy's father, despite it not being biological. Michael was never a father to him.

Last night's episode was just a mess, in my opinion.
Agree, I hate it too. It's pure narrow-mindedness and ignorance to suggest that somebody cannot love a child simply because they are not biologically related to them. Alfie IS Tommy's dad, and he had every right to want to see Ronnie rot in jail for what she did.
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Old 27-11-2013, 20:15
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I hate how everyone's always quick to point out that Michael is Tommy's biological father.
When Ronnie came back and Alfie was really angry at her, people kept commenting that he didn't have a right to be angry because he wasn't Tommy's father!
Alfie is Tommy's father, despite it not being biological. Michael was never a father to him.

Last night's episode was just a mess, in my opinion.
It's not everyone, and it is annoying when users pop up with the pedantic "Michael is his dad, not Alfie" type comment.
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Old 27-11-2013, 20:17
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To be fair to Alfie, he's better as a dad than anything else. That's not saying very much though is it?
He has the same IQ as Tommy so that wouldnt be hard
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Old 27-11-2013, 21:03
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All this 'Tommy's father is dead' stuff is silly and ignorant. Yes Michael was Tommy's biological parent, but he was never a father to that child. Alfie has always been and will always be Tommy's dad. Legally Alfie would still have access to him; he was married to Tommy's mother and step parental rights would apply.
Wrong. Alfie and kat are no longer married and thus he has no legal stand from that point of iew. Alfie is not on the birth certificate, has not adopted tommy and not married to kat. H has zero legal standing if kat took tommy out of the country. To the law and biologically; Michael is the father. However, tommy considers Alfie his dad, so from a moral point of view, kat should have least allowed Alfie to say goodbye. If she felt unable to see Alfie anymore due for him marrying roxy, in lreal life, tommy would be young enough to not be scarred by this and would forget Alfie. Cruel, but true.
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Old 27-11-2013, 21:07
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It's not everyone, and it is annoying when users pop up with the pedantic "Michael is his dad, not Alfie" type comment.
It is because it is relevant. Posters keep posting comments like legally kat can't do this, legally Alfie must be involved as tommys dad. Ie. with the ronnie situation. The fact was, then, and now, as legally Alfie is not the dad, the show was right in that he would not be informed, would have no say etc.... It is rather annoying to keep reading posts how this should have happened and this should happened as Alfie is the ad, when the show in this context (forgetting other things like someone running across an airline runway!) has it right.
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Old 27-11-2013, 21:12
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Yeah, suggesting Alfie has no right to feel anger or devastation over the baby swap or to hate Ronnie just because the child wasn't biologically his is just rubbish. That doesn't matter, he was still like the child's father.

But legally speaking, Kat wasn't breaking any laws/rules by taking Tommy abroad because Alfie isn't down as a legal guardian/parent. Michael's name is on the certificate and he is dead.
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Old 27-11-2013, 21:16
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Agree, I hate it too. It's pure narrow-mindedness and ignorance to suggest that somebody cannot love a child simply because they are not biologically related to them. Alfie IS Tommy's dad, and he had every right to want to see Ronnie rot in jail for what she did.
Every right to not want to see ronnie in his life, yes... Rot in jail....now that is not something I don't agree with and fits into the narrowminded category. She served her time and the justice system is there for a reason. She does not deserve to be punished for her whole life due to one mistake, that is why the legal system has sentences for so long. The whole point is that once you served your time, you have served your punishment and can go on with your life. And when you remain landlord in the cousin of said persons pub, live with and get together with her sister...well you put yourself in a situation whereby you will see her. Ronnie didn't wrong phil and roxy, and thus they are natural in wanting her kept in their life. He was going to see regardless, thus, he should have left, started again. Like now, does he expect to continue to be landlord of the pub after jilting the bosses cousin, who is listed as landlady in the pub anyway?! He's not family and not got a leg to stand on legally.
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Old 27-11-2013, 21:18
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Since when did anyone in EE care about legalities? LOL
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