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Old 27-11-2013, 19:39
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It has been bothering me since Saturday seeing Tom Baker as The Curator.

It is perfectly clear - to me at least - that he was NOT playing the Doctor, he was playing a random Curator, with a hint of fan wank which Moffat knew would appeal to you guys.

But if people are trying to include this fan wank into canon, by saying that regenerated Doctors go and live 'normal' lives and age consistently, then I have some pertinent questions:

1. Why do they always choose Earth?
2. Why do they never die?
3. How do events of The Three/Five/Two Doctors fit into this new analogy? They still have tardises, they still are timelords, they still timetravel.

I like the idea of Pertwee's regenerated Doctor, for example, living on Earth as a high-ranking official for UNIT. I am also happy that Tom Baker's Doctor became a Curator at a Museum in London.

But it is not consistent with canon in the show from previous episodes.
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Old 27-11-2013, 19:49
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It was a nice sweet moment. I would prefer to not use the term 'fanwank'. It was one for the fans, the show,itself and of course Tom. It doesn't have to make perfect sense. I don't think its saying that every incarnation of the Doctor lives out a normal life. It wasn't saying that at all. It was cheeky and self referential. Not for scientific scrutiny. For enjoying.
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Old 27-11-2013, 19:54
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The implication with The Curator, from the dialogue between him and 11 is that he is a future incarnation of The Doctor who has reused the face of his Fourth incarnation, not the Fourth Doctor having lived on in human form. Or like you say he is just a random human.

As far as I can see there is no implication that each incarnation lives on after regeneration. Though of course they exist in their own time and could be visited by time travellers going into the past. Each incarnation is part of the same man, 1 regenerated into 2, so how could 1 continue to live on?
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Old 27-11-2013, 19:57
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This is not what happens, The Doctor is not split into two persons every time he regenerates, he is still the same person, just with a new face and personality, he doesn't get replaced by somebody else (don't let Hartnell's line in The Three Doctors fool you).

Think of it like the transformation a caterpillar makes into a butterfly, the old body is effectively killed off and replaced by a new body, but it is still the same creature. The same principle applies to The Doctor and his regenerations.

Oh, and the implication I believe was that The Curator was a "retired" Doctor who'd modelled his appearance on his fourth incarnation.
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Old 27-11-2013, 19:57
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Former Incarnations of the Doctor don't go on living normal lives after they regenerate that's stupid.


It's like saying an Orange I've just squeezed and turned into Orange Juice is still sitting in the Fruit Bowl.


Those bodies are gone, every cell rewritten to form the new body.




Tom Baker was playing a Future Incarnation of the Doctor (say the 50th Doctor) who had decided to look like a former incarnation when he first regenerated.
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Old 27-11-2013, 19:57
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"Perhaps I was you of course .... or perhaps you are me" - The Curator

He's blatantly a future incarnation who has retired and become the Curator just as the 11th Doctor was pondering only moments before.
The 11th Doctor recognises the face and the Curator tells him that "In years to come..." he may find himself "...revisiting a few".

How direct does it have to be?
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Old 27-11-2013, 20:17
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Former Incarnations of the Doctor don't go on living normal lives after they regenerate that's stupid
Agreed. If that were the case each Doctor might as well hand over the TARDIS to somebody else. Ten would also have not been as forlorn about his impending regeneration.
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Old 27-11-2013, 21:04
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Loved the idea of the future retired Doctor chooses some of his old faces. Just brilliant, get around the age thing doesn't it.
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Old 27-11-2013, 21:35
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"Perhaps I was you of course .... or perhaps you are me" - The Curator

He's blatantly a future incarnation who has retired and become the Curator just as the 11th Doctor was pondering only moments before.
The 11th Doctor recognises the face and the Curator tells him that "In years to come..." he may find himself "...revisiting a few".

How direct does it have to be?
That or the Doctor was daydreaming. I remember some mention of Clara asking him about his dreams.
Perhaps the answer to your question is that the minds of his old incarnations lie in his subconcious and he can access them through meditation or dreams.
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Old 27-11-2013, 23:59
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Loved the idea of the future retired Doctor chooses some of his old faces. Just brilliant, get around the age thing doesn't it.
It does, but does nothing to explain how.
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Old 28-11-2013, 00:06
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It does, but does nothing to explain how.
Practice makes Perfect.
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Old 28-11-2013, 00:45
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It does, but does nothing to explain how.
Same way Romana could choose hers, most probably...
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Old 28-11-2013, 09:29
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Once the Doctor regenerates into his new form, many years and parsecs away from where the regneration occured, there is a cloud of golden energy that coalesces into his old shape - beside a microphone at Big Finish studios
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Old 28-11-2013, 10:04
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I don't think Baker was playing a future doctor at all. he was a curator and nods to fans. The revisiting old faces is probably a reference to Capaldi having played characters in the whoniverse before.

The if I was you etc was simply winks to the past in that Baker was the Doctor. I don't think anything else is to be taken from it
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Old 28-11-2013, 10:52
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Practice makes Perfect.
Same way Romana could choose hers, most probably...
I meant more that it doesn't explain how he has more than 13 incarnations.
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Old 28-11-2013, 11:01
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That or the Doctor was daydreaming. I remember some mention of Clara asking him about his dreams.
Perhaps the answer to your question is that the minds of his old incarnations lie in his subconcious and he can access them through meditation or dreams.
I saw a nice suggestion of him being 'The Moment' over at DoctorWhoTV
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Old 28-11-2013, 11:03
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I don't think Baker was playing a future doctor at all. he was a curator and nods to fans. The revisiting old faces is probably a reference to Capaldi having played characters in the whoniverse before.

The if I was you etc was simply winks to the past in that Baker was the Doctor. I don't think anything else is to be taken from it
I think the biggest problem people have with this explanation is that using Tom Baker, and having him say what he said, but it not meaning anything other than, "Hey we got Tom Baker in guys!" just feels too glib.

Maybe we're kidding ourselves, maybe that's all it was meant to be, as the original poster called it - 'fan****' - not a pleasant term, but descriptive!

I think Shoppy makes the best case for him being a future regeneration who has retired from adventuring to look after the Gallery, perhaps remembering it's significance and awaiting the arrival of his earlier selves so he could pop in and give him a little pointer...
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Old 28-11-2013, 11:06
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I saw a nice suggestion of him being 'The Moment' over at DoctorWhoTV
I dunno, I think The Moment was the device and Billie Piper. I'm not sure I believe it went further than that... Or did I miss something in the show?
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Old 28-11-2013, 11:20
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I can't believe anyone could interpret it as anything other than what it was - a future, "retired" Doctor. Almost every line he says is telling you this, but still people don't get it?
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Old 28-11-2013, 11:24
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I don't think Baker was playing a future doctor at all. he was a curator and nods to fans. The revisiting old faces is probably a reference to Capaldi having played characters in the whoniverse before.

The if I was you etc was simply winks to the past in that Baker was the Doctor. I don't think anything else is to be taken from it
Why would MS randomly say "I never forget a face" and then wink?

I'm going to go along with Tom being a future Doctor.
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Old 28-11-2013, 11:29
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I can't believe anyone could interpret it as anything other than what it was - a future, "retired" Doctor. Almost every line he says is telling you this, but still people don't get it?
Indeed.
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Old 28-11-2013, 11:30
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I can't believe anyone could interpret it as anything other than what it was - a future, "retired" Doctor. Almost every line he says is telling you this, but still people don't get it?
Yeah, boggles the mind that there could be an alternative conclusion. Especially as it was clearly meant to tie in with the Doctor's earlier fear that he will "die" at Trenzalore.

It was obviously meant as a 'don't worry son, we will get a retirement in out old age" - I'd also put good money on the curator keeping bees.
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Old 28-11-2013, 11:53
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I can't believe anyone could interpret it as anything other than what it was - a future, "retired" Doctor. Almost every line he says is telling you this, but still people don't get it?
Why would MS randomly say "I never forget a face" and then wink?

I'm going to go along with Tom being a future Doctor.
The things that they are telling each other 'I never forget a face' is largely break the forth wall nods to the fans.

Moffat has stated he will explain why the doctor in his new form looks like previous characters and I think this was part of that explanation. i.e. maybe the curator is someone he met in one of his first 3 incarnations

It was meant to be a vague scene to allow fans to speculate what it meant, you're not supposed to get it. it was there as a vehicle to have the oldest doctor speak to the newest, the actual content other than that isn't the most important part.

The same goes for the Capaldi scene, pure bliss and great to watch. you just ignore the fact that the doctor as Smith dies at Trenzolore, until he changes that (and he's seen his grave so wee bit of a paradox to sort) then there are no future doctors including Capaldi. none what-so-ever

But you know what it was the 50th and it was fun and these things don't matter, we celebrated the old and the new and we all loved it
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Old 28-11-2013, 14:30
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The things that they are telling each other 'I never forget a face' is largely break the forth wall nods to the fans.

Moffat has stated he will explain why the doctor in his new form looks like previous characters and I think this was part of that explanation. i.e. maybe the curator is someone he met in one of his first 3 incarnations

It was meant to be a vague scene to allow fans to speculate what it meant, you're not supposed to get it. it was there as a vehicle to have the oldest doctor speak to the newest, the actual content other than that isn't the most important part.

The same goes for the Capaldi scene, pure bliss and great to watch. you just ignore the fact that the doctor as Smith dies at Trenzolore, until he changes that (and he's seen his grave so wee bit of a paradox to sort) then there are no future doctors including Capaldi. none what-so-ever

But you know what it was the 50th and it was fun and these things don't matter, we celebrated the old and the new and we all loved it
The thing is the curator says that he brought the painting to earth. Matt's Doctor expresses that he could be a curator and recognizes himself. he doesn't ask who he is but trusts and accepts what his furture-self tells him.

Besides, I would imagine that Stephen Moffat would relish the change to have Tom Baker as the Doctor at the age he is now. What a clever way to do it
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Old 28-11-2013, 14:57
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The thing is the curator says that he brought the painting to earth. Matt's Doctor expresses that he could be a curator and recognizes himself. he doesn't ask who he is but trusts and accepts what his furture-self tells him.

Besides, I would imagine that Stephen Moffat would relish the change to have Tom Baker as the Doctor at the age he is now. What a clever way to do it
No he just says he acquired it in remarkable circumstances. nothing about bringing it to earth
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