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Mark39London
29-11-2013
Originally Posted by JasonWatkins:
“Interesting. It seems HMV have decided that one crime is less serious than the other.”

I suspect that it has more to do with sales than any crime.
JasonWatkins
29-11-2013
Originally Posted by Mark39London:
“I suspect that it has more to do with sales than any crime.”

I can't see that. I would have though that Lostprophets albums would easily outstrip Gary Glitter's sales.

Their final album was released just last year and made it to number 9 on the UK Album charts and Number 1 on the UK Rock Album Charts.

I doubt any of Glitter's work has dented any form of chart for some time now.

It just seems rather arbitrary really - if they're going to remove Lostprophets from sale for clearly obvious reasons, they should at least be consistent.
Kiko H Fan
29-11-2013
I have not got rid of any of my Judas Priest albums on which Dave Holland plays.
Chasing Shadows
29-11-2013
Originally Posted by Kiko H Fan:
“I have not got rid of any of my Judas Priest albums on which Dave Holland plays.”

Was about to say exactly the same thing - til I noticed you posted five minutes earlier. Screaming For Vengeance still my fave Priest album - regardless of what the drummer on that album has been imprisoned for since.
samcheese
29-11-2013
I'm a HUGE fan of Lostprophets. I've been a fan since 2004 and my husband since 1999/2000, we actually met at a Lostprophets gig back in 2004 and have seen them live 20+ times between us, following their tours round the country.

Every song, album and show holds a memory for us, it's really difficult to not still feel those emotions when thinking of their music. It'll always mean something, but unfortunately it's now tainted.

We've not listened to their music since his arrest. I was looking at some tracklistings on their albums just yesterday and remembering how great some of their records are and what a damn travesty it is that their legacy is now being removed from all memory.

I know there's a massive amount of people who haven't heard of Lostprophets, but they were majorly influential on the British rock scene, paving the way for so many other Welsh bands who are doing so well now. What a damn shame for the other 5 talented members of the band whose years of success and hard work is now being hidden away. Lee Gaze is one of the most talented guitarists around, yet no one will give a shit about that now.

I do want there to come a time when I add it back to my ipod, not just yet though. Maybe next year once he's been sentenced. Must admit, it is even more difficult that it's his vocals on the songs, I guess if he were the drummer it'd be easier to ignore the pangs of disgust and disbelief when you hear his voice.

Start Something is still one of the best rock albums of all time. Every song is excellent.
Electra
29-11-2013
Originally Posted by dodger0703:
“Although they seem to have no problem still selling Gary Glitter”

Or Burzum. Obviously, being a murdering, white supremacist neo nazi, isn't a problem for them.
mushymanrob
29-11-2013
Originally Posted by samcheese:
“I'm a HUGE fan of Lostprophets. I've been a fan since 2004 and my husband since 1999/2000, we actually met at a Lostprophets gig back in 2004 and have seen them live 20+ times between us, following their tours round the country.

Every song, album and show holds a memory for us, it's really difficult to not still feel those emotions when thinking of their music. It'll always mean something, but unfortunately it's now tainted.

We've not listened to their music since his arrest. I was looking at some tracklistings on their albums just yesterday and remembering how great some of their records are and what a damn travesty it is that their legacy is now being removed from all memory.

I know there's a massive amount of people who haven't heard of Lostprophets, but they were majorly influential on the British rock scene, paving the way for so many other Welsh bands who are doing so well now. What a damn shame for the other 5 talented members of the band whose years of success and hard work is now being hidden away. Lee Gaze is one of the most talented guitarists around, yet no one will give a shit about that now.

I do want there to come a time when I add it back to my ipod, not just yet though. Maybe next year once he's been sentenced. Must admit, it is even more difficult that it's his vocals on the songs, I guess if he were the drummer it'd be easier to ignore the pangs of disgust and disbelief when you hear his voice.

Start Something is still one of the best rock albums of all time. Every song is excellent.”

thats really sad that precious memories are now tainted in this way...
Semierotic
29-11-2013
You have to feel sorry for the other band members. They haven't just lost a career, their entire legacy has been decimated. They'll never be played on the radio again.
unique
29-11-2013
Originally Posted by dodger0703:
“They are still selling cover versions of LP songs, so surely that money goes back to the writers of which he was one. If their aim was to deprive him of any royalties they have failed, if their aim was a cheap publicity stunt to look good then they have also failed imo”

royalties usually go to a publishing company, which can be sold or sell its rights. gary sold his publishing years ago, although i think the daily fail miss this on purpose so they can write an article every few months about how much money he will get when someone in america covers his song on tv or something
JasonWatkins
29-11-2013
Originally Posted by Semierotic:
“You have to feel sorry for the other band members. They haven't just lost a career, their entire legacy has been decimated. They'll never be played on the radio again.”

Well this is it - they've had a successful career pulled from underneath them. It's not like they can continue to earn royalties from their work as I imagine nobody will ever want to use any of the music in any form if it means Watkins will earn any money from it.
Vernon Bennett
29-11-2013
Originally Posted by dodger0703:
“Obviously not according to HMV http://www.nme.com/news/lostprophets/74110”

The rest of the band should now call themselves Lost Profits.
mgvsmith
29-11-2013
Originally Posted by Electra:
“Or Burzum. Obviously, being a murdering, white supremacist neo nazi, isn't a problem for them.”

But this only matters if the music in some way advocates white supremism or nazism which is the point I was trying to make above.

I love Lou Reed and the Velvet Underground, the song 'Heroin' is beautifully descriptive and insightful about what is at least low level criminal activity irrespective of whether Lou was busted or not. No one would suggest that isn't worth listening to I presume?

The difficulty I have is with an artist who might actually advocate paedophilia in their work which is the problem I have with the Gary Glitter song.
chrisqc
29-11-2013
Honestly i dont care

No matter what the crime is it wont make me enjoy their songs any less when i press play

Vince Neil from Motley Crue killed a guy while drunk driving he got 30 days in jail and +a fine( got out after 15 days for good behavior) no one cared and the band went on to sell millions and tour arena for decades
Kiko H Fan
29-11-2013
Originally Posted by Chasing Shadows:
“Was about to say exactly the same thing - til I noticed you posted five minutes earlier. Screaming For Vengeance still my fave Priest album - regardless of what the drummer on that album has been imprisoned for since.”

I believe he's out of jail now.
mushymanrob
29-11-2013
Originally Posted by Vernon Bennett:
“The rest of the band should now call themselves Lost Profits.”

brilliant!
misslibertine
29-11-2013
Originally Posted by chrisqc:
“Honestly i dont care

No matter what the crime is it wont make me enjoy their songs any less when i press play

Vince Neil from Motley Crue killed a guy while drunk driving he got 30 days in jail and +a fine( got out after 15 days for good behavior) no one cared and the band went on to sell millions and tour arena for decades”

"No one cared"? I find that hard to believe.
MissMusique
29-11-2013
Originally Posted by chrisqc:
“Honestly i dont care

No matter what the crime is it wont make me enjoy their songs any less when i press play

Vince Neil from Motley Crue killed a guy while drunk driving he got 30 days in jail and +a fine( got out after 15 days for good behavior) no one cared and the band went on to sell millions and tour arena for decades”

I think the Lost Prophet situation is slightly different though... Whilst he was drunk driving, it was an accident, he didn't set out to do that... Ian Watkins though, different story.

It's so sad when this happened, because it taints the music for the fans and also completely ruins everything for the remaining members of the band.
misslibertine
29-11-2013
Originally Posted by MissMusique:
“It's so sad when this happened, because it taints the music for the fans and also completely ruins everything for the remaining members of the band.”

I feel really sorry for them. And while I'm no fan, I also feel sorry for Ferne Cotton - she's dragged into every single article about him as well.
Will_Bennetts
29-11-2013
I've heard people say. How on earth did the band not know something dodgy was going on as in the report I read fans actually found awful stuff on his computer . So surely band members would have known about the porn too?
pwuz
29-11-2013
Im sure the BBC wont play them anymore, the irony of the BBC and their statue above broadcasting house by a guy that wrote in his own book about raping his daughters.
misslibertine
29-11-2013
Originally Posted by Will_Bennetts:
“I've heard people say. How on earth did the band not know something dodgy was going on as in the report I read fans actually found awful stuff on his computer . So surely band members would have known about the porn too?”

We can't possibly know that.
Coen
29-11-2013
Originally Posted by Will_Bennetts:
“I've heard people say. How on earth did the band not know something dodgy was going on as in the report I read fans actually found awful stuff on his computer . So surely band members would have known about the porn too?”

Apparently Watkins had distanced himself from the rest of the band in recent years, there's an article about it by a music journalist on the BBC website today:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-25120687

So it's entirely plausible that the rest of the band had no clue what he was up to when he wasn't with them, there's certainly no reason to think that they'd know about things like what was on his computer.
misslibertine
29-11-2013
Originally Posted by Coen:
“Apparently Watkins had distanced himself from the rest of the band in recent years, there's an article about it by a music journalist on the BBC website today:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-25120687

So it's entirely plausible that the rest of the band had no clue what he was up to when he wasn't with them, there's certainly no reason to think that they'd know about things like what was on his computer.”

I hadn't really thought about it before reading that article but from the twice that I met the band... in 2004, they were all on a night out together and seemed in really good spirits, but by the second time in 2006 he wasn't even with them.

There could be any number of reasons for him not being there I suppose, but maybe he'd started distancing himself even then.
Tribute
29-11-2013
I was talking to my girlfriend about the case and watched a couple of their videos to remind her who they were. After the first album they became quite cheesy musically, and it was the start of rock musicians looking like hairdressers which I was never a fan of. In fact I was quite pleased by the BBC website's reporting of the case where they mentioned how little they were respected by the music press due to the softening of their music and their contrived image, the BBC putting the boot in one last time.

Back to the original question, I think it would turn a few heads of people that were familiar with them if you were blasting their songs out of your car stereo. If you like a song, you like a song though, and it's up to the individual if they can divorce the music from the person.
Tribute
29-11-2013
Originally Posted by Will_Bennetts:
“I've heard people say. How on earth did the band not know something dodgy was going on as in the report I read fans actually found awful stuff on his computer . So surely band members would have known about the porn too?”

I'm sure I know very little about what my work colleagues get up to behind closed doors, no matter how friendly we are. The same could probably be said for my friends. And I've never gone routing through anyone's laptop uninvited.
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