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A change of roles should be in order if Bruce stays...
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mossy2103
29-11-2013
Originally Posted by burbe:
“Fair enough, but it's not my fault because have made following comments related to an I hate Bruce thread. The aim was for it to be constructive alternatives in the likely scenario that Bruce's stays on the show (which many a few other people have realised).”

Fair enough as well, but post 24 made just over 10 mins ago seems to fly in the face of that. Hardly constructive, and in truth comments that I find rather distasteful (not aiming that at you btw)
mossy2103
29-11-2013
Originally Posted by wazzyboy:
“For me I'd quite like to see him having a bit of banter with the couples, a bit like his old days in the quiz shows, and where there is less of a formal role in making links using the autocue.

I suppose there's two ways of doing that, either give him the upstairs slot on the main show, or a role in the results one, perhaps where he talks to the couples as they are saved..”

I quite like the idea of a bit of banter with the couples, something that is less than scripted and which would allow his ad-libbing skills to prosper.
Doghouse Riley
29-11-2013
Originally Posted by mossy2103:
“I quite like the idea of a bit of banter with the couples, something that is less than scripted and which would allow his ad-libbing skills to prosper.”

Unfortunately, with the present format, there isn't time for it.
The problem is, that he tries to make time, which must give the producers nightmares.
He still acts as if he's still in his game show heyday, when time wasn't quite so important.

It's Tess who has to make up the time, when he "goes off on one" or they have to miss out a judge's comments, because he's spent too long trying to get the audience to laugh at one of his lame jokes.

It's quite pathetic really.
But if he were part of the recorded show, it could be edited to fit the time and his fluffs would not appear.
kittenkong42
29-11-2013
Originally Posted by Summeriris:
“Oh no, another 'Get rid of Bruce' thread. He's not going anywhere, you will have to live with it. The show is huge and he is the headliner.”

I'm pretty sure the show isn't called "Bruce Forsyth's Strictly Come Dancing" so as far as I'm concerned he doesn't come close to being the headliner.

He's just the co-host of a dancing show and should frankly be billed lower than Tess (she presents both shows every weekend whereas he just does the one).
Summeriris
29-11-2013
Originally Posted by Monaogg:
“And yet again it would appear you have jumped in without reading the Opening Post. ”

I did read it and I could even read between the lines.
Doghouse Riley
29-11-2013
Originally Posted by Summeriris:
“I did read it and I could even read between the lines.”

Ah!

I've got it now!

Is that why in your posts you sometimes attribute different meanings to other's posts, or words they haven't even said?
Summeriris
29-11-2013
Originally Posted by kittenkong42:
“I'm pretty sure the show isn't called "Bruce Forsyth's Strictly Come Dancing" so as far as I'm concerned he doesn't come close to being the headliner.

He's just the co-host of a dancing show and should frankly be billed lower than Tess (she presents both shows every weekend whereas he just does the one).”

His name is announced first in every one of the shows he has been in as 'Your Host', He is the one who introduces the couples and leads the introduction of the judges/musicians and he is the one with the knighthood. At the present moment he is the headliner and Tess herself defers to him. I do watch the show, have done from the start..
wazzyboy
29-11-2013
Originally Posted by Doghouse Riley:
“Unfortunately, with the present format, there isn't time for it.
The problem is, that he tries to make time, which must give the producers nightmares.
He still acts as if he's still in his game show heyday, when time wasn't quite so important.

It's Tess who has to make up the time, when he "goes off on one" or they have to miss out a judge's comments, because he's spent too long trying to get the audience to laugh at one of his lame jokes.

It's quite pathetic really.
But if he were part of the recorded show, it could be edited to fit the time and his fluffs would not appear.”


I think I said in my first post about this, managing the time would be the challenge. But, at least he would be off autocue.
HelenW82
29-11-2013
It's tough because I do like Bruce, yes it's obvious he reads of an auto-cue and yes the jokes are often more awkward than funny, but not bad enough to make me dislike him.

However there is a popular opinion that he's no longer good enough which the BBC may or may not agree with. Problem I feel the BBC has is if they fire him they could face the same ageist criticism they did when they brought in Alisha Dixon as a judge.

If he doesn't retire a restructure where he is given less to do but an equally important part as someone has suggested - doing only the link to the next couple could make it a little more funny and a little less awkward.
Chantal
29-11-2013
Oh no, not another anti-Bruce thread!!!

Oh well, I suppose when intolerance, prejudice and ageism have won and someone else has been put in his place, then you'll start on her/him in exactly the same way.
Chantal
29-11-2013
According to Wikipedia Bruce's great-great-great-great grandad gave his name to the shrub Forsythia, which brightens up British gardens with a golden glow just when it is needed at the end of winter - so I don't think you'll get rid of him, or his spirit, that easily! Ha ha ha!!!

(Waits for further sour comments and much reaching for ultra-sharpened secateurs.)
flyingv
29-11-2013
Originally Posted by Chantal:
“Oh no, not another anti-Bruce thread!!!

Oh well, I suppose when intolerance, prejudice and ageism have won and someone else has been put in his place, then you'll start on her/him in exactly the same way.”

Oh no, not another poster accusing fellow FMs of ageism when it is nothing of the sort...
Monaogg
29-11-2013
Originally Posted by burbe:
“You clearly didn't read my post because I'm not saying to axe Bruce right now, as many other threads do. I'm clearly acknowledging that's highly unlikely to happen, and therefore offering a reasonable solution to keep Bruce as part of the show, and playing to his strengths.

If it comes across as an I hate Bruce, get rid of him thread, it's not supposed to. I'm merely pointing out each presenter's strengths and how BBC should use those for the next series.”

I actually think as a reasonable work around the idea that Bruce introduces the couples and Tess does the after dance Judges bit is eminently sensible. It gives the floor manager time to get Bruce in place to introduce the next couple whilst the previous couple have a short stint with Claudia. Plus Tess is immediately on hand to cover for any issues.
Monaogg
29-11-2013
Originally Posted by Chantal:
“Oh no, not another anti-Bruce thread!!!

Oh well, I suppose when intolerance, prejudice and ageism have won and someone else has been put in his place, then you'll start on her/him in exactly the same way.”

When you can find another presenter of prime time TV who is the same age as Bruce and FEMALE. The just maybe you can legitimately wield the agist argument.

Meanwhile I would suggest you re-read the Opening Post. As it quite clearly is NOT anti Bruce.
flyingv
29-11-2013
Originally Posted by Monaogg:
“I actually think as a reasonable work around the idea that Bruce introduces the couples and Tess does the after dance Judges bit is eminently sensible. It gives the floor manager time to get Bruce in place to introduce the next couple whilst the previous couple have a short stint with Claudia. Plus Tess is immediately on hand to cover for any issues.”

That's actually a pretty good idea Mona, it would minimise the rambling and Claudia is there anyway to do the Results show, so it's not like the BBC would have a problem there.
burbe
29-11-2013
Originally Posted by flyingv:
“That's actually a pretty good idea Mona, it would minimise the rambling and Claudia is there anyway to do the Results show, so it's not like the BBC would have a problem there.”

Hey, I suggested it first in the first post! Please give me some credit!
edy10
29-11-2013
If Brucie finally leaves then what we will moan and complain about besides the contestants
mossy2103
29-11-2013
Oh, I'm sure that you'll find something or someone ....
Monaogg
29-11-2013
Originally Posted by mossy2103:
“Oh, I'm sure that you'll find something or someone .... ”

There is always the OTT clapping and cheering encouraged by the floor manager.
Grumpy_Alan
29-11-2013
Originally Posted by harmon-whitecar:
“You're being too kind - I hope he get's FIRED!”

Yes,yes, yes
flyingv
29-11-2013
Originally Posted by burbe:
“Hey, I suggested it first in the first post! Please give me some credit!”

Sorry burbe, it had been some time since I read the first post but yes, great idea
Monaogg
29-11-2013
Originally Posted by burbe:
“Hey, I suggested it first in the first post! Please give me some credit!”

And I was agreeing.
thenetworkbabe
29-11-2013
Originally Posted by Doghouse Riley:
“Unfortunately, with the present format, there isn't time for it.
The problem is, that he tries to make time, which must give the producers nightmares.
He still acts as if he's still in his game show heyday, when time wasn't quite so important.

It's Tess who has to make up the time, when he "goes off on one" or they have to miss out a judge's comments, because he's spent too long trying to get the audience to laugh at one of his lame jokes.

It's quite pathetic really.
But if he were part of the recorded show, it could be edited to fit the time and his fluffs would not appear.”

You just don't know that. We don't know whether the directors are screaming fill more, or stop now. Its possible they shout both. Its also arguable that Bruce's adlibs are important setting the tone - the judges would ften sound too negative without some encouragement or observations from Bruce. The bottom line is that the problem is insignificant - the show manages to run to its differing times perfectly well. Tess is perfectly capable of moving it on when that is needed and sorting out anything that gets distorted.

The problem is still there finding anyone better. The older male presenters are mostly less capable of live TV than Bruce is. Claudia's rambling would be a massive turn off. The younger male presenters are all not right in some way. And, although there's plenty of competent female presenters, they probably want to have one male and one female.
Doghouse Riley
29-11-2013
Originally Posted by thenetworkbabe:
“You just don't know that. We don't know whether the directors are screaming fill more, or stop now. Its possible they shout both. Its also arguable that Bruce's adlibs are important setting the tone - the judges would ften sound too negative without some encouragement or observations from Bruce. The bottom line is that the problem is insignificant - the show manages to run to its differing times perfectly well. Tess is perfectly capable of moving it on when that is needed and sorting out anything that gets distorted.

The problem is still there finding anyone better. The older male presenters are mostly less capable of live TV than Bruce is. Claudia's rambling would be a massive turn off. The younger male presenters are all not right in some way. And, although there's plenty of competent female presenters, they probably want to have one male and one female.”

Hmm..

Who's the main one for obviously wasting time by going off script?

As for his bit of nonsense including all his catchphrases from his distant game shows, "setting the tone," check out the unguarded reaction of the "celebrity" on the left at 3.34 on the i>Player recording of last Saturday's show, caught briefly on camera.

That's exactly how I felt about it.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...ies_11_Week_9/

As to his replacement, there's been enough suggestions and I wouldn't want to comment further on that.
Dianie
30-11-2013
If you want a different role for Bruce, just sack all four judges and replace them with one - Bruce. He already talks over them and gives his own judgment on each contestant.
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