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Old 11-02-2005, 12:32
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Originally Posted by aybeesea
Have you ever tried to remove the scenes on a Fusion from a 2-hour programme?

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Nope, but I bet it would take less time than the "getting back to the start of the show after the adverts" that I currently do! Even at only 8x FF speed, I overrun it.
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Old 11-02-2005, 15:08
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Originally Posted by aybeesea
Have you ever tried to remove the scenes on a Fusion from a 2-hour programme?

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Can you actually do that, i.e remove a scene and leave video before and after on the Fusion?

I know that on the Thomson you can remove from the begining but thats about it.
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Old 11-02-2005, 17:13
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Does anybody know if there are any grabs of the user interface/on screen display for these units?
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Old 11-02-2005, 17:39
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Originally Posted by chiliblue
I'm alittle puzzled by this too, I'll have a read through the manuals and confirm it.

Ok nothing in the manual about it so perhaps it is a new feature that works only when you have the thumbnails turned off. I have thimbnails on so I really wouldn't know.
I can't remember where I got this info from so I've added a questionmark for now
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Old 11-02-2005, 17:40
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Originally Posted by chiliblue
Can you actually do that, i.e remove a scene and leave video before and after on the Fusion?

I know that on the Thomson you can remove from the begining but thats about it.
Yes, you can remove all scenes and the video is still there, or just some scenes and the video is still there. I thought Thomson was the same? But to get it to do the 30 second skip, you have to remove ALL scenes. I've seen it posted that you should remove the first scene last, but I'm not sure why it matters. I just did removed all the scenes from a 1.5 hour show and it didn't take long at all. The only worry I'd have about doing this is it's too easy to push green instead of yellow, and you've wiped the recording instead of the scene.
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Old 11-02-2005, 19:02
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Originally Posted by Ang
Yes, you can remove all scenes and the video is still there, or just some scenes and the video is still there. I thought Thomson was the same? But to get it to do the 30 second skip, you have to remove ALL scenes. I've seen it posted that you should remove the first scene last, but I'm not sure why it matters. I just did removed all the scenes from a 1.5 hour show and it didn't take long at all. The only worry I'd have about doing this is it's too easy to push green instead of yellow, and you've wiped the recording instead of the scene.
Not sure I get you Ang, Say you have a program, first half /advert/ second half..can you remove the advert?

Pretty sure you can't do that on the Thomson.
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Old 11-02-2005, 21:14
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Originally Posted by chiliblue
Oh you can edit the recordings on the Thomson, in so much you can edit the adverts at the begining and delete up till that point. Although it has to be pointed out that it doesn't actually delete the editted out video, it just jumps passed it, and strangly if you set it up to play via the archive function it will play with the editted part back in...hoohum
Like the noise thing but would be really useful to know if the disk turns off when on standby also if this includes the fan i.e. does it go completely silent when the box is on standby......

I know for example the thomson can now shut down the disk but the fan still runs. Sounds sad but the misses makes me turn off my DVDR because the sound of the fan irritates her.... It would doubly irritate her if it would never go off
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Old 11-02-2005, 21:49
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OK, I've updated the page again.

Changed colour scheme (the old one did look a bit on the dark side after viewing it on a different monitor)

Added Pace Twin

Added & amended various bits (thanks to everyone for their suggestions/corrections).
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Old 11-02-2005, 23:10
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Pace Twin has 60 second skip forwards and backwards - give it TOP marks for user interface - this is superb

Did you mention toslink digital out and also it does RGB pass through.

This is why despite the bugs it is still well loved
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Old 11-02-2005, 23:58
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I've seen it posted that you should remove the first scene last, but I'm not sure why it matters.
Only that under the old Thomson software, playback started from the point at which you deleted the last scene, so to ensure playback started at the beginning of the programme you had to delete the first one last. Not sure about the new software as I have thumbnails disabled, but pressing <OK> starts from the beginning of the recording, and pressing <PLAY> starts from the point at which you left off.
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Old 12-02-2005, 07:19
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Originally Posted by chiliblue
Not sure I get you Ang, Say you have a program, first half /advert/ second half..can you remove the advert?

Pretty sure you can't do that on the Thomson.
No, you can't remove the advert. I think I confused things by bringing up skipping through adverts. I just mean using 30 second skip instead of fast forward.
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Old 12-02-2005, 07:20
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Originally Posted by Ang
I've seen it posted that you should remove the first scene last, but I'm not sure why it matters.
Having done this now the other way around, I see why you should remove the first scene last - once you've removed scenes, playback starts with the last scene removed. You can still rewind to the beginning though.

*Edit*, I posted too soon, just saw your reply, slimgym!
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Old 12-02-2005, 07:27
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One more correction - with the Thomson and Fusion boxes, you could pause/rewind live TV even before the OTA updates, so you can remove the asterisks on that bit.
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Old 12-02-2005, 11:00
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Originally Posted by Ang
One more correction - with the Thomson and Fusion boxes, you could pause/rewind live TV even before the OTA updates, so you can remove the asterisks on that bit.
Thanks, asterisks removed
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Old 12-02-2005, 11:02
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Originally Posted by MartinImber
Pace Twin has 60 second skip forwards and backwards - give it TOP marks for user interface - this is superb

Did you mention toslink digital out and also it does RGB pass through.

This is why despite the bugs it is still well loved
OK, thanks - I'll add those in
Not sure what you meant by "toslink digital out", I presume its a typo
I've had a look through the manual & it says it's only got optical out so I've changed the description for digital out slightly for all machines to make things clearer.
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Old 12-02-2005, 11:17
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I was just looking though the manual (p.13) for the Fusion FVRT100 & it seems to infer that compression can be applied while the programme is being recorded as well as retrospectively - is this correct?

Does the same apply for the Thompson?
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Old 12-02-2005, 13:39
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Originally Posted by emsee
I was just looking though the manual (p.13) for the Fusion FVRT100 & it seems to infer that compression can be applied while the programme is being recorded as well as retrospectively - is this correct?

Does the same apply for the Thompson?
With the Fusion, you can specify the compression level when setting the recording, but it still records in SP and converts it later. With the Thomson, I don't think you can specify when setting to record, you just do it later.
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Old 12-02-2005, 13:51
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Originally Posted by Ang
With the Fusion, you can specify the compression level when setting the recording, but it still records in SP and converts it later. With the Thomson, I don't think you can specify when setting to record, you just do it later.
OK, thanks - I understand now.
Will update page with that info.
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Old 12-02-2005, 17:38
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Not sure what you meant by "toslink digital out", I presume its a typo
TosLink is the term used for the type of optical connection used - I believe it was invented by Toshiba. As far as I know, both coax and Toslink use SPDIF (Sony/Philips Digital InterFace).
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Old 12-02-2005, 22:03
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Originally Posted by emsee
OK, thanks - I'll add those in
Not sure what you meant by "toslink digital out", I presume its a typo
I've had a look through the manual & it says it's only got optical out so I've changed the description for digital out slightly for all machines to make things clearer.
TOSLink is digital optical - it is easier and shorter to type!!!!
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Old 13-02-2005, 07:23
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Originally Posted by aybeesea
Isn't it wonderful how on the Fusion it will play the current title in an endless loop?

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Pressing the stop button when you get to the end of the program works quite well. Saves having to watch any buffer you might have recorded at the end of the program as well and even returns you to the library. Clever stuff...
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Old 13-02-2005, 10:31
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This http://80.69.3.55:8080/Panasonic/jsp...Microsite.html
gives further info on the panasonic but it's not confirmed as finalised specs AFAIK
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Old 13-02-2005, 13:42
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Originally Posted by MartinImber
TOSLink is digital optical - it is easier and shorter to type!!!!
Ahhhhh I see now
I guess it's short for Toshiba-Link.

I've never seen TOSlink mentioned anywhere before so I'll stick to the more generic term for now
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Old 14-02-2005, 07:57
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Originally Posted by gkite
Pressing the stop button when you get to the end of the program works quite well. Saves having to watch any buffer you might have recorded at the end of the program as well and even returns you to the library. Clever stuff...
Yea, it's really not a big problem that it plays endlessly, but I can't understand why they created it that way in the first place. It is another reason I haven't bothered to archive anything to DVD. I think the new Thomson software got rid of this "feature" so maybe Fusion will too at some point. I can't think of any good reason to have it.
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Old 14-02-2005, 13:34
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Originally Posted by Ang
I can't think of any good reason to have it.
I think it's so they can set one up in a shop and let it play the Fusion supplied demo over and over as a shop "point of sale" display.

When archiving things to DVD, cos of lack of timed archiving, I generally just leave the Fusion/DVDR doing their stuff overnight and (obviously) set the DVDR to be a minute or two longer than the recording for "safety" so this does mean that the recorded DVD contains the entire program plus the start of a repeat play of it at the end but, again, this doesn't really matter cos when you watch such a recorded DVD you just naturally stop playback when the credits roll at the end anyway - so you're never aware of the start of the second showing beyond this.

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