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Old 09-08-2006, 12:16
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Originally Posted by CJL
(in fact what I think I'd actually do with £200 is buy TWO refurbished Fusion 200s from ebuyer.com - one for downstairs, one for the bedroom)

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they have raised the price again to £140 now.....
http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/111742

Dabs are still doing 150s at £100 (with 12 month warranty... )
http://www.dabs.com/productview.aspx?Quicklinx=44D6
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Old 09-08-2006, 16:02
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Another really good reason to go twin tuner is recording two consecutive programs. If you don't add padding to the end, you may lose the last 30 seconds of the show for example. Some people claim this is rare but in my experience it is not. With single tuner, you can't pad consecutive recordings. Fusion handles this beautifully because you can even pad two recordings made on the same channel. With Topfield you can't, although two separate channels back to back can be padded. I love my Topfield but Fusion had a few things figured out that others haven't. Like recording in standby - now that is nice.
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Old 09-08-2006, 22:18
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Originally Posted by Ang
Another really good reason to go twin tuner is recording two consecutive programs. If you don't add padding to the end, you may lose the last 30 seconds of the show for example. Some people claim this is rare but in my experience it is not. With single tuner, you can't pad consecutive recordings. Fusion handles this beautifully because you can even pad two recordings made on the same channel. With Topfield you can't, although two separate channels back to back can be padded. I love my Topfield but Fusion had a few things figured out that others haven't. Like recording in standby - now that is nice.
If you have a one tuner model then you can always get around this by creating a single manual recording spanning both programmes.
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Old 10-08-2006, 00:34
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Originally Posted by StuartB
If you have a one tuner model then you can always get around this by creating a single manual recording spanning both programmes.
a) if you don't mind the inflexibility of not being able to delete one after you've watched it.....

b) not if they are on different channels!

the best is the thomson imho (better/more flexible than the Fusions - as long as you don't mind u/grading the disk..)
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Old 15-08-2006, 22:05
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Originally Posted by PTD
Someone asking about editing on the Thomson dhd4000 reminded me that your site is still listing it capable of start/end trimming.

You cannot edit recordings in any way.
You can on mine! Delete offers option of whole item or single scene. Requires a bit of fiddling with bookmarks to top and tail precisely, so I haven't bothered yet, but it's there.
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Old 15-08-2006, 23:10
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Originally Posted by alterego
You can on mine! Delete offers option of whole item or single scene. Requires a bit of fiddling with bookmarks to top and tail precisely, so I haven't bothered yet, but it's there.
iirc it doesn't actually delete them (i.e. it frees up no space, and they can still be viewed (if you press play not OK... or is it the other way round...) - it just deletes the thumbnail (potentially allowing use of the "30 second skip"..)
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Old 15-08-2006, 23:13
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Originally Posted by pauldenton
they have raised the price again to £140 now.....
http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/111742

Dabs are still doing 150s at £100 (with 12 month warranty... )
http://www.dabs.com/productview.aspx?Quicklinx=44D6

ebuyer are now back to £99.99 (for a 200) (same link)
or £69.99 for a (40gb) 100....
http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/111739/rb/21064202050
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Old 15-08-2006, 23:58
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Originally Posted by pauldenton
iirc it doesn't actually delete them (i.e. it frees up no space, and they can still be viewed (if you press play not OK... or is it the other way round...) - it just deletes the thumbnail (potentially allowing use of the "30 second skip"..)
Perhaps it just marks for deletion, but at least it allows you to choose the start/finish points, real or otherwise.

I assume Fusions do it differently? IIRC, they don't have the 'mark for deletion' option anyway. I'm still considering an FVRT200 - I'd prefer an external power supply!
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Old 16-08-2006, 00:01
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Originally Posted by alterego
Perhaps it just marks for deletion, but at least it allows you to choose the start/finish points, real or otherwise.

I assume Fusions do it differently? IIRC, they don't have the 'mark for deletion' option anyway. I'm still considering an FVRT200 - I'd prefer an external power supply!
yes sadly the fusions don't have mark for deletion (just one of the ways the thompson is a better machine imho - at least once you get the disk upgraded )
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Old 16-08-2006, 08:27
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It might just be me, but I never really "got" the whole mark for deletion concept... I mean, if I've watched something, I'll delete it, and if I don't want to watch something then again, I'll delete it (or not record it in the first place). If I haven't watched something that I do want to see, I can't imagine any situation where I'd leave it up to the box to decide when it should be deleted!

At the end of the day if there's not enough room on the drive for whatever you want to record (and once you've upgraded the drive to something sensible this is rare) then it's probably just time you did some watching, or decide for yourself what you want to lose...

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Old 16-08-2006, 10:48
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I see MFD as the equivalent of the Recycle bin in Windows. It just means you have a chance to retrieve stuff if you change your mind - not something you need very often, but handy if you do.
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Old 16-08-2006, 15:48
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Originally Posted by Boinng
It might just be me, but I never really "got" the whole mark for deletion concept... I mean, if I've watched something, I'll delete it, and if I don't want to watch something then again, I'll delete it (or not record it in the first place). If I haven't watched something that I do want to see, I can't imagine any situation where I'd leave it up to the box to decide when it should be deleted!

At the end of the day if there's not enough room on the drive for whatever you want to record (and once you've upgraded the drive to something sensible this is rare) then it's probably just time you did some watching, or decide for yourself what you want to lose...
the big advantage of "mark for deletion" is that it (partially) overcomes the machines unnecessarily conservative estimates for how much time a recording will take up (i.e. it "credits" something marked for deletion with it's full length - whereas if you deleted it it will only estimate some proportion of that length as available...) - particularly annoying if you're recording from (relatively) low-bulk channels such as Film4! (have several times been unable to set one of my fusions to record eg "i claudius" after the afternoon's studio ghibli anime... but once that has ended there is plenty of space left for that and more...

it is particularly galling i imagine if you want to set stuff up to record some time in advance, but are told there is "insufficient space" due to it overestimating the time that things will take up - which kind of defeats the object of a 14 day EPG!

another advantage of the Thomson over the fusion is that it displays remaining space in hours/mins rather than as a % of space.......
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Old 16-08-2006, 23:09
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Originally Posted by alterego
You can on mine! Delete offers option of whole item or single scene. Requires a bit of fiddling with bookmarks to top and tail precisely, so I haven't bothered yet, but it's there.
Deleting the first scene on the Thomson is only the equivalent of hiding a chapter on a DVD recorder. No material is removed from the recording, as can be shown by simply rewinding past the marker.

I'm inclined to think that the 'trim' effect is really a bug, as deleting the first scene marker should really let you view your recording in its original state. And there's no mention of trimming in the manual.

The effect isn't permanent anyway as it is lost after any power on reboot, like the resume point. I don't know if the overnight reboot has the same effect.
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Old 16-08-2006, 23:22
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Originally Posted by Boinng
It might just be me, but I never really "got" the whole mark for deletion concept... I mean, if I've watched something, I'll delete it, and if I don't want to watch something then again, I'll delete it (or not record it in the first place). If I haven't watched something that I do want to see, I can't imagine any situation where I'd leave it up to the box to decide when it should be deleted!

At the end of the day if there's not enough room on the drive for whatever you want to record (and once you've upgraded the drive to something sensible this is rare) then it's probably just time you did some watching, or decide for yourself what you want to lose...
It's probably meant as an undelete safeguard in case you delete the wrong one, but for my money it should be the main method instead of an afterthought buried in another menu, where I for one can't be bothered to use it. So I carry on deleting the wrong files occasionally .
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Old 18-08-2006, 23:21
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Any news yet on the Access Devices twin tuner PVR..?
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Old 27-08-2006, 15:43
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In case you hav'n't yet seen it, info on the Matsui (Dixons group) version of the Access Devices twin-tuner PVR is here;

[url]http://forum.digitalspy.co.uk/board/showthread.php?t=452725[url]


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Old 27-08-2006, 23:22
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I have finally got round to updating the comparison table -
(been rather busy with holiday & buying a house! ).

www.emsee.co.uk/pvr

This update doesn't include changes from the last month or so as I haven't had a chance to trawl through the most recent forum posts (apart from the Matsui).
(Thanks to Marc & Barry for the info on the Humax & Matsui).


I don't really have enough spare time to keep the table updated very often these days so does anyone (who has their own webspace) want to take over the updating of this table?
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Old 28-08-2006, 08:16
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Originally Posted by emsee
I have finally got round to updating the comparison table -
(been rather busy with holiday & buying a house! ).

www.emsee.co.uk/pvr

This update doesn't include changes from the last month or so as I haven't had a chance to trawl through the most recent forum posts (apart from the Matsui).
(Thanks to Marc & Barry for the info on the Humax & Matsui).


I don't really have enough spare time to keep the table updated very often these days so does anyone (who has their own webspace) want to take over the updating of this table?
Thanks emsee. Check your PM about hosting and updating this table going forward which should be OK. This reminds me of the PVR price checker I did for a while gathering posters intelligence on best prices for the various models. Might resurrect that too.
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Old 29-08-2006, 11:29
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Haven't looked at the chart for a while. For the Inverto there's a couple of things that should be in 'Serious problems/bugs', namely total or partial loss of recordings and live pause not working(for many) since V1.006.

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Old 29-08-2006, 11:43
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Haven't looked at the chart for a while. For the Inverto there's a couple of things that should be in 'Serious problems/bugs', namely total or partial loss of recordings and live pause not working(for many) since V1.006.

hodg
hodg, I am putting things together so what I'll do is pop in to the inverto forum to double check a couple of things. Probably do the same with some other forums in due course what with some fusion and toppy changes a month or two ago. Hopefully will get this up and running by end of week. Cheers
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Old 29-08-2006, 11:59
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The Thomson data could do with updating too.

E.g http://forum.digitalspy.co.uk/board/...68#post8542168
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Old 29-08-2006, 13:36
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Originally Posted by njp
The Thomson data could do with updating too.

E.g http://forum.digitalspy.co.uk/board/...68#post8542168
I'll do a mini review of them all in that case
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Old 29-08-2006, 14:34
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Good man...
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Old 01-09-2006, 00:38
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The comparison table will live on but be found at this address: http://www.pvrjunction.co.uk/compare

emsee will probably put up a notice on the old page and a link to the new address soon.

This table will receive some updates shortly
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Old 05-09-2006, 22:40
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Hi. Can you please just set my mind at ease.

I am looking to buy the Humax PVR9200T. We currently have Sky+ but the box is failing and I've had enough of the £10 subscription.

This T3 review says that the Humax doesn't support chase play. This is something I use a lot with the Sky+ (Pace v2). I assume I'm right in believing that "chase play" is beginning to watch a programme while it is still recording?

1. Could someone please confirm that the Humax PVR9200T does support chase play, as per the table?

2. While I'm here: anyone have anything really bad to say about the Humax?

Many thanks in advance.
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