Surely you can split recordings with the Topfield!?!
Originally Posted by Ang:
“But put together, I can't delete until I've watched both.”
“But put together, I can't delete until I've watched both.”
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Originally Posted by wgmorg:
“Surely you can split recordings with the Topfield!?!”
“Surely you can split recordings with the Topfield!?!”
Yes, as I said, that was the other option - split recordings with no padding on end of first, start of second for recordings back to back from same channel. When recordings get old, will I still have the recording that has the missing 30 seconds at end or beginning?
Nigel, are you saying I can split them and have them both padded? I would love to know how.
Not at present; though I think you might be able to do it if you set the recordings manually to specific tuners, which some TAPs allow you to do.
Nigel.
Nigel.
So you were saying you don't split ... because you wouldn't have padding added before and after the split!!!
I think I now follow... ?
I think I now follow... ?
Originally Posted by Ang:
“Yes, as I said, that was the other option - split recordings with no padding on end of first, start of second for recordings back to back from same channel. When recordings get old, will I still have the recording that has the missing 30 seconds at end or beginning?
Nigel, are you saying I can split them and have them both padded? I would love to know how.”
“Yes, as I said, that was the other option - split recordings with no padding on end of first, start of second for recordings back to back from same channel. When recordings get old, will I still have the recording that has the missing 30 seconds at end or beginning?
Nigel, are you saying I can split them and have them both padded? I would love to know how.”
Originally Posted by wgmorg:
“So you were saying you don't split ... because you wouldn't have padding added before and after the split!!!”
“So you were saying you don't split ... because you wouldn't have padding added before and after the split!!!”
Why would you need to have padding as you can split exactly between the end of one program and the start of the next. There is always at least a 30 second inter-program interlude of some kind (a "whats on later" promo) even on the non-commercial channels.
Originally Posted by gomezz:
“Why would you need to have padding as you can split exactly between the end of one program and the start of the next. There is always at least a 30 second inter-program interlude of some kind (a "whats on later" promo) even on the non-commercial channels.”
“Why would you need to have padding as you can split exactly between the end of one program and the start of the next. There is always at least a 30 second inter-program interlude of some kind (a "whats on later" promo) even on the non-commercial channels.”
Because there's no PDC equivalent with Freeview - no padding means good chance of no ending for any Freeview recording.
BUT when you split the two progs you've already got everything!?!
You've lost me again.
The pad will be at either end of the full same channel continuous two prog recording that gets split.
You've lost me again.
The pad will be at either end of the full same channel continuous two prog recording that gets split.
Originally Posted by Ang:
“Because there's no PDC equivalent with Freeview - no padding means good chance of no ending for any Freeview recording.”
“Because there's no PDC equivalent with Freeview - no padding means good chance of no ending for any Freeview recording.”
Originally Posted by Ang:
“Because there's no PDC equivalent with Freeview - no padding means good chance of no ending for any Freeview recording.”
“Because there's no PDC equivalent with Freeview - no padding means good chance of no ending for any Freeview recording.”
I am not suggesting you do not pad the start and ends of the whole recording. As long as the recording starts before the beginning of the first programme and ends after the finish of the second programme then you have everything. Then just split the recording at the interval between the two programmes.
Originally Posted by gomezz:
“I am not suggesting you do not pad the start and ends of the whole recording. As long as the recording starts before the beginning of the first programme and ends after the finish of the second programme then you have everything. Then just split the recording at the interval between the two programmes.”
“I am not suggesting you do not pad the start and ends of the whole recording. As long as the recording starts before the beginning of the first programme and ends after the finish of the second programme then you have everything. Then just split the recording at the interval between the two programmes.”
On the Topfield PVR without taps, if there were two consecutive programmes on the same channel that you set to record from the EPG, and then went into your scheduled timers list to manually add a couple of minutes to the start and end of both of them, what would be the end result?
I can see some possible scenarios:
The padding overlap between both programmes is automatically dropped.
The second tuner is used so that both programmes have all their padding
The first programme has all its padding. The second programme starts when the first programme with end padding finishes recording, but has end padding still.
The second programme fails to record.
There is an on screen message telling you its not possible, when you manually attempt to edit the timers for start and end padding on both timers
Last edited by marcdavis : 03-10-2006 at 13:26
Originally Posted by wgmorg:
“BUT when you split the two progs you've already got everything!?!
You've lost me again.
The pad will be at either end of the full same channel continuous two prog recording that gets split.”
“BUT when you split the two progs you've already got everything!?!
You've lost me again.
The pad will be at either end of the full same channel continuous two prog recording that gets split.”
If the split ends up with the beginning of one programme at the end of the other recording, I wouldn't remember to save the first recording if I watched it and then when I went to watch the second recording, the beginning would not be there. But what's worse, if the end of the first programme is at the beginning of the second, I watch the second and delete it, I have no ending to the first recording.
Originally Posted by gomezz:
“I am not suggesting you do not pad the start and ends of the whole recording. As long as the recording starts before the beginning of the first programme and ends after the finish of the second programme then you have everything. Then just split the recording at the interval between the two programmes.”
“I am not suggesting you do not pad the start and ends of the whole recording. As long as the recording starts before the beginning of the first programme and ends after the finish of the second programme then you have everything. Then just split the recording at the interval between the two programmes.”
Are you suggesting I can let it create one recording for the two shows and later split it in two? I don't know how to do that - please enlighten me! Thanks.
Yep; bring up the progress bar, at roughly the point where you want to cut (I say roughly, because it's not frame accurate, so do it in the break). Press White, and the position mark turns blue; use << or >> to scroll to the beginning or end of the file, then press Blue. Choose the Save option, and the highlighted portion will be cut out of the original file and saved as a new file.
Nigel
Nigel
Originally Posted by nwhitfield:
“the highlighted portion will be cut out of the original file and saved as a new file.”
“the highlighted portion will be cut out of the original file and saved as a new file.”
Which you can then rename by using the Blue button with the program highlighted in the Archive.
Marc
I notice the updated chart has the Topfield not recording in stand by; this is of course correct but the Toppy does come out of standby to record when a timer is set so I wonder if this distinction is a little academic/misleading. As currently presented it may give the impression that you need to leave the Toppy on to record from a timer.
Richard
I notice the updated chart has the Topfield not recording in stand by; this is of course correct but the Toppy does come out of standby to record when a timer is set so I wonder if this distinction is a little academic/misleading. As currently presented it may give the impression that you need to leave the Toppy on to record from a timer.
Richard
Originally Posted by Richard46:
“Marc
I notice the updated chart has the Topfield not recording in stand by; this is of course correct but the Toppy does come out of standby to record when a timer is set so I wonder if this distinction is a little academic/misleading. As currently presented it may give the impression that you need to leave the Toppy on to record from a timer.
Richard”
“Marc
I notice the updated chart has the Topfield not recording in stand by; this is of course correct but the Toppy does come out of standby to record when a timer is set so I wonder if this distinction is a little academic/misleading. As currently presented it may give the impression that you need to leave the Toppy on to record from a timer.
Richard”
Pehaps the table could be amended to show 'record from standby' bearing in mind the Toppy will return in to stanby when the recording finishes. I don't particularly see any huge advantage in recording in standby as surely power consumption is only going be negligibly different with the HDD's active.
Just a suggestion
hodg
Originally Posted by hodg100:
“Pehaps the table could be amended to show 'record from standby' bearing in mind the Toppy will return in to stanby when the recording finishes. I don't particularly see any huge advantage in recording in standby as surely power consumption is only going be negligibly different with the HDD's active.
Just a suggestion
hodg”
“Pehaps the table could be amended to show 'record from standby' bearing in mind the Toppy will return in to stanby when the recording finishes. I don't particularly see any huge advantage in recording in standby as surely power consumption is only going be negligibly different with the HDD's active.
Just a suggestion
hodg”
Such an entry would appear to be more logical. Perhaps if the wording was 'record from or in standby'.
Richard
Originally Posted by hodg100:
“Pehaps the table could be amended to show 'record from standby' bearing in mind the Toppy will return in to stanby when the recording finishes. I don't particularly see any huge advantage in recording in standby as surely power consumption is only going be negligibly different with the HDD's active.
Just a suggestion
hodg”
“Pehaps the table could be amended to show 'record from standby' bearing in mind the Toppy will return in to stanby when the recording finishes. I don't particularly see any huge advantage in recording in standby as surely power consumption is only going be negligibly different with the HDD's active.
Just a suggestion
hodg”
Huge advantage to recording in standby - it doesn't take over your television set! This might also relate to why you can record the same channel simultaneously on the Fusion but not the Toppy (i.e. take both tuners for one channel).
It may sound like I don't like the Toppy but the opposite is true. It's the only machine that, if you don't like something, there's almost certainly a TAP that will change it or at least make it more livable.
But to say that the Toppy records in standby would be misleading to someone like me who has had a different machine that really does. I think you may need two rows to the spreadsheet, but then, would there be any that you had to leave on to get them to record, i.e. would not record FROM standby? That would be pretty pathetic.
Originally Posted by Ang:
“Huge advantage to recording in standby - it doesn't take over your television set! This might also relate to why you can record the same channel simultaneously on the Fusion but not the Toppy (i.e. take both tuners for one channel).
It may sound like I don't like the Toppy but the opposite is true. It's the only machine that, if you don't like something, there's almost certainly a TAP that will change it or at least make it more livable.
But to say that the Toppy records in standby would be misleading to someone like me who has had a different machine that really does. I think you may need two rows to the spreadsheet, but then, would there be any that you had to leave on to get them to record, i.e. would not record FROM standby? That would be pretty pathetic.”
“Huge advantage to recording in standby - it doesn't take over your television set! This might also relate to why you can record the same channel simultaneously on the Fusion but not the Toppy (i.e. take both tuners for one channel).
It may sound like I don't like the Toppy but the opposite is true. It's the only machine that, if you don't like something, there's almost certainly a TAP that will change it or at least make it more livable.
But to say that the Toppy records in standby would be misleading to someone like me who has had a different machine that really does. I think you may need two rows to the spreadsheet, but then, would there be any that you had to leave on to get them to record, i.e. would not record FROM standby? That would be pretty pathetic.”
Thanks for all your points, I have updated the table. I agree with Ang points about the validity of the entry in the table, and I suppose you wouldnt expect a PVR, or a video recorder for that matter, to not record at all when simply in standby. If I got this right, as an example of recording in standby, is when you might be watching a movie on DVD or if say you have switched all your AV to standby. If sounds like the topfield will start up and not stay in standby; interupt your movie and take over the screen, or if your TV was in standby it will be switched on also and output sound and video.
Originally Posted by Ang:
“Huge advantage to recording in standby - it doesn't take over your television set! This might also relate to why you can record the same channel simultaneously on the Fusion but not the Toppy (i.e. take both tuners for one channel).
It may sound like I don't like the Toppy but the opposite is true. It's the only machine that, if you don't like something, there's almost certainly a TAP that will change it or at least make it more livable.
But to say that the Toppy records in standby would be misleading to someone like me who has had a different machine that really does. I think you may need two rows to the spreadsheet, but then, would there be any that you had to leave on to get them to record, i.e. would not record FROM standby? That would be pretty pathetic.”
“Huge advantage to recording in standby - it doesn't take over your television set! This might also relate to why you can record the same channel simultaneously on the Fusion but not the Toppy (i.e. take both tuners for one channel).
It may sound like I don't like the Toppy but the opposite is true. It's the only machine that, if you don't like something, there's almost certainly a TAP that will change it or at least make it more livable.
But to say that the Toppy records in standby would be misleading to someone like me who has had a different machine that really does. I think you may need two rows to the spreadsheet, but then, would there be any that you had to leave on to get them to record, i.e. would not record FROM standby? That would be pretty pathetic.”
Ahh yes, I'd forgotten about that aspect of things. My new TV doesn't autoswitch if the other RGB Scart or component input is in use
I still think it was important to note that the Toppy would record from standby as it was equally misleading the way the table was.
Nice compromise there Marc
hodg
Originally Posted by marcdavis:
“If sounds like the topfield will start up and not stay in standby; interupt your movie and take over the screen, or if your TV was in standby it will be switched on also and output sound and video.”
“If sounds like the topfield will start up and not stay in standby; interupt your movie and take over the screen, or if your TV was in standby it will be switched on also and output sound and video.”
My Topfield does not trigger any of those activities when it comes out of standby to make a recording.
Apologies if this has been pointed out already...
Table is unintelligible with Firefox, the ticks and crosses turn into R and T.
Suggest short term fix to add "tick character" = Yes, "Cross character" = No at the top.
Great work keeping this up.
Table is unintelligible with Firefox, the ticks and crosses turn into R and T.
Suggest short term fix to add "tick character" = Yes, "Cross character" = No at the top.
Great work keeping this up.
Originally Posted by swedish cook:
“Apologies if this has been pointed out already...
Table is unintelligible with Firefox, the ticks and crosses turn into R and T.
... ”
“Apologies if this has been pointed out already...
Table is unintelligible with Firefox, the ticks and crosses turn into R and T.
... ”
... and in Netscape.
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