I hate to say this but does anyone else get the impression there appears to be an element of "sour grapes" from the people who are begrudging Abbey and Alijaz's scores tonight?
Abbey was phenomenal
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Originally Posted by Bus Stop2012:
“I think I'm starting to understand you. Its leggy, beautiful blonde women you hate, isn't it
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“I think I'm starting to understand you. Its leggy, beautiful blonde women you hate, isn't it
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Originally Posted by penelopesimpson:
“You know, I don't usually respond to comments like that - but it is just so pedestrian, so obvious, so banal, so tiring and so terribly silly. Most women have moved on from all that years ago.”
“You know, I don't usually respond to comments like that - but it is just so pedestrian, so obvious, so banal, so tiring and so terribly silly. Most women have moved on from all that years ago.”
And you calling me Crouchy just because I loved the dance was none of those things of course
Originally Posted by Rhumbatugger:
“Well, I don't know about that. Sometimes it's even deserved.
As for fierce - not that I could see - soft, stilted feet, soft arms, not fierce at all. Not snappy, no dynamic pauses, not properly ON the rhythm, just a nice, floaty, ordinary, not bad, girly sub disco number.
I'm glad you enjoyed it though. And it wasn't as bad as I'd feared, but forty?”
“Well, I don't know about that. Sometimes it's even deserved.
As for fierce - not that I could see - soft, stilted feet, soft arms, not fierce at all. Not snappy, no dynamic pauses, not properly ON the rhythm, just a nice, floaty, ordinary, not bad, girly sub disco number.
I'm glad you enjoyed it though. And it wasn't as bad as I'd feared, but forty?”
Thanks, I really did enjoy it.
As for the technical issues, well I am no dancer but then neither are most of the celebs. I have to go with what I feel and for Strictly that's probably the best way, though of course trained dancers will naturally have a different view.
Was it worth 40? Well, I can only go on my enjoyment and there would have been a lot more 10s this series if I had been part of the judging panel, I know that much. Tonight was a night of smiles all round, and Abbey's routine made me smile the widest of all...if that counts as a 40 then yes, it was worth it.
She was grossly overmarked. I wonder if it is because they don't want to see her in the bottom two. In that case I agree with the overmarking. I am not even a fan, but I don't want to see her in the bottom two.
That 10-10-10-10 dance was not much better than her 8-8-8-8 dance last week. They undermarked her a bit last week, so they make up for it by overmarking her this week, but 40 was ridiculous - 36 would have been acceptable.
Originally Posted by Angela F:
“I hate to say this but does anyone else get the impression there appears to be an element of "sour grapes" from the people who are begrudging Abbey and Alijaz's scores tonight?”
“I hate to say this but does anyone else get the impression there appears to be an element of "sour grapes" from the people who are begrudging Abbey and Alijaz's scores tonight?”
Not necessarily. I respect the opinion of our trained dancers and if they say a dance wasn't correct or had incorrect technique I believe them.
However, I do think they forget sometimes that things they have perfected over years isn't possible for beginners to take on and learn in a matter of weeks/months.
On the whole, I am glad I can just go with what I feel and not what I know.
Loved it and even in a really enjoyable show, I still thought it was the best of the night. I think we knew all week it was going to be a disco/salsa so I was aware of what we would be getting.....
I thought Abbey did a brilliant job and it was easily her best latin by a million miles.
I thought Abbey did a brilliant job and it was easily her best latin by a million miles.
Originally Posted by Angela F:
“I hate to say this but does anyone else get the impression there appears to be an element of "sour grapes" from the people who are begrudging Abbey and Alijaz's scores tonight?”
“I hate to say this but does anyone else get the impression there appears to be an element of "sour grapes" from the people who are begrudging Abbey and Alijaz's scores tonight?”
Theres something odd about it, yes. Usually when there is any surprise about the judge's marks it is shrugged off soon after. Tonight its like the world imploded
Originally Posted by Dilly 1:
“Loved it and even in a really enjoyable show, I still thought it was the best of the night. I think we knew all week it was going to be a disco/salsa so I was aware of what we would be getting.....
I thought Abbey did a brilliant job and it was easily her best latin by a million miles.”
“Loved it and even in a really enjoyable show, I still thought it was the best of the night. I think we knew all week it was going to be a disco/salsa so I was aware of what we would be getting.....
I thought Abbey did a brilliant job and it was easily her best latin by a million miles.”
Agree with you Dilly. I absolutly loved it - and those lifts
great. For Craig to get a ten out well he is a hard one
to please. Well done Abbey.
Originally Posted by carol north:
“Agree with you Dilly. I absolutly loved it - and those lifts
great. For Craig to get a ten out well he is a hard one
to please. Well done Abbey.”
“Agree with you Dilly. I absolutly loved it - and those lifts
great. For Craig to get a ten out well he is a hard one
to please. Well done Abbey.”
That was hard for Craig lol
Originally Posted by Angela F:
“I hate to say this but does anyone else get the impression there appears to be an element of "sour grapes" from the people who are begrudging Abbey and Alijaz's scores tonight?”
“I hate to say this but does anyone else get the impression there appears to be an element of "sour grapes" from the people who are begrudging Abbey and Alijaz's scores tonight?”
Have you only just realised that. Poor Abbey never
gets favourable comments on here. Still she has the
last laugh!!
Originally Posted by penelopesimpson:
“I do hope you are not female Sherlock, or else one of the more enlightened posters on this board will say something really original like - hold your breath - you are jealous of long-legged good-looking blonde women.
Tedious, I know.”
“I do hope you are not female Sherlock, or else one of the more enlightened posters on this board will say something really original like - hold your breath - you are jealous of long-legged good-looking blonde women.
Tedious, I know.”
No, I'm male.
And yes, Abbey is a very striking young woman, but that dance tonight was probably not worth more then 32 (also a fun fact, the judges though this was 8 points better then her paso last week
).Think that the leaderboard next week will go:
1. Abbey
2. Patrick
3. Natalie
4. Ashley
5. Susanna
6, Sophie
Sophie vs. Ashley in the dance off (result!)
Originally Posted by Sherlock_Holmes:
“No, I'm male.
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“No, I'm male.
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Well you can't be Crouchy. Penelope has designated that role to me because I loved the routine.
The irony klaxon hasn't stopped screeching, but there we are
Originally Posted by Smokeychan1:
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Natalie doesn't have Abbey's joy when dancing, Sophie couldn't have handled the content, let alone the conviction. Susan just isn't skilled enough, though all three are great in their own way. The only other contestant who could come close to pulling off that content is Patrick.
Super dance, I LOVED it.”
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Natalie doesn't have Abbey's joy when dancing, Sophie couldn't have handled the content, let alone the conviction. Susan just isn't skilled enough, though all three are great in their own way. The only other contestant who could come close to pulling off that content is Patrick.
Super dance, I LOVED it.”
Don't get me wrong, I loved the dance, even as a disco/salsa it was very very good- but this paragraph is utter, utter nonsense!
Natalie's not had many lively dances, but her Charleston was quirky and fun, and her Samba was probably the most technically wonderful Samba we've seen in a long time on Strictly!
Sophie couldn't handle the content? Have you actually paid any attention to her dancing this season whatsoever? Her problem has never been content, more her delivery of it (Smacks very much of Louis last year, who was technically sublime but dead above the neck!)
Susanna, fair enough, lags behind Kevin, but she's hardly a poor dancer!
And then, to insult them all, you say that Patrick is the only other person who could have done that routine? Rubbish. Patrick is the next worse dancer after Mark left in the competition, and whilst, yes, he has the energy to do that routine, he'd have flailed uncontrollably like he has done in every single Latin routine this series and made a right pigs ear of it.
Wrong, wrong, and a little bit more wrong!
Originally Posted by Smokeychan1:
“I thought it was worth 4 10s. I thought it was the best 'Latin' we have had this year. Abbey gave 100% commitment and I enjoyed every second, it was definitely dance of the night for me.
Natalie doesn't have Abbey's joy when dancing, Sophie couldn't have handled the content, let alone the conviction. Susan just isn't skilled enough, though all three are great in their own way. The only other contestant who could come close to pulling off that content is Patrick.
Super dance, I LOVED it.”
“I thought it was worth 4 10s. I thought it was the best 'Latin' we have had this year. Abbey gave 100% commitment and I enjoyed every second, it was definitely dance of the night for me.
Natalie doesn't have Abbey's joy when dancing, Sophie couldn't have handled the content, let alone the conviction. Susan just isn't skilled enough, though all three are great in their own way. The only other contestant who could come close to pulling off that content is Patrick.
Super dance, I LOVED it.”
Dancers don't experience "joy"' they "live" the dance - from the tips of their fingers to the tips of their toes, to the emotion of the story they are portraying, it's a performance ... not a time to enJOY! Natalie "lives" the dance ... But I agree with you ... All 3 are great, in their own way! Just very different, technically.
It was a very good dance.
On another series of Strictly it'd have got 3 nines and maybe one ten if someone were feeling generous. And quite possibly still been top of the leaderboard and had the performers leaping with joy.
But the scoring this series has been crazy.
On another series of Strictly it'd have got 3 nines and maybe one ten if someone were feeling generous. And quite possibly still been top of the leaderboard and had the performers leaping with joy.
But the scoring this series has been crazy.
Originally Posted by Damahepa:
“Don't get me wrong, I loved the dance, even as a disco/salsa it was very very good- but this paragraph is utter, utter nonsense!
Natalie's not had many lively dances, but her Charleston was quirky and fun, and her Samba was probably the most technically wonderful Samba we've seen in a long time on Strictly!
Sophie couldn't handle the content? Have you actually paid any attention to her dancing this season whatsoever? Her problem has never been content, more her delivery of it (Smacks very much of Louis last year, who was technically sublime but dead above the neck!)
Susanna, fair enough, lags behind Kevin, but she's hardly a poor dancer!
And then, to insult them all, you say that Patrick is the only other person who could have done that routine? Rubbish. Patrick is the next worse dancer after Mark left in the competition, and whilst, yes, he has the energy to do that routine, he'd have flailed uncontrollably like he has done in every single Latin routine this series and made a right pigs ear of it.
Wrong, wrong, and a little bit more wrong!”
“Don't get me wrong, I loved the dance, even as a disco/salsa it was very very good- but this paragraph is utter, utter nonsense!
Natalie's not had many lively dances, but her Charleston was quirky and fun, and her Samba was probably the most technically wonderful Samba we've seen in a long time on Strictly!
Sophie couldn't handle the content? Have you actually paid any attention to her dancing this season whatsoever? Her problem has never been content, more her delivery of it (Smacks very much of Louis last year, who was technically sublime but dead above the neck!)
Susanna, fair enough, lags behind Kevin, but she's hardly a poor dancer!
And then, to insult them all, you say that Patrick is the only other person who could have done that routine? Rubbish. Patrick is the next worse dancer after Mark left in the competition, and whilst, yes, he has the energy to do that routine, he'd have flailed uncontrollably like he has done in every single Latin routine this series and made a right pigs ear of it.
Wrong, wrong, and a little bit more wrong!”
Not to put myself down, but Natalie's technicality, wonderful or otherwise, is lost on this non-dancer. I'd rather watch and hear someone squeal with joy mid-quickstep, even with gapping, than watch a technically perfect routine that doesn't connect with me.
Call it insulting to praise Patrick, but other self-proclaimed dancers on this forum have agreed with the judges that he is the best male celeb on the show. While you dancers can agree or disagree over that, all I know is Patrick has wow'd me with a few of his routines. I enjoy him.
Is it really any surprise that what appeals to someone not trained in dance is different to what a trained dancer enjoys?
Originally Posted by keep_dancing:
“Dancers don't experience "joy"' they "live" the dance - from the tips of their fingers to the tips of their toes, to the emotion of the story they are portraying, it's a performance ... not a time to enJOY! Natalie "lives" the dance ... But I agree with you ... All 3 are great, in their own way! Just very different, technically.”
“Dancers don't experience "joy"' they "live" the dance - from the tips of their fingers to the tips of their toes, to the emotion of the story they are portraying, it's a performance ... not a time to enJOY! Natalie "lives" the dance ... But I agree with you ... All 3 are great, in their own way! Just very different, technically.”
Not Natalie specifically, I loved her routine tonight, but, If a dance doesn't connect with the audience, the performance has failed. It would be unusual for any performance to fail with everyone though. So in that regard they are all successful, they just connect with some and not others.
the dance finished and my first words were "wow, Abbey" she threw herself into that 100% and enjoyed every second and I could see that, her best Latin dance to date
Was there enough salsa in it? No, probably not but to be fair how much AS foxtrot was in Natalie's dance? Not much
Did she deserve 4 x 10's? I'm not sure, she sold the dance 100% the armography was good, the lifts were good, the disco elements were good, the salsa bits were good, put that all together, was it the perfect dance? For the judges, yes it was, for the GBP - probably yes, for the majority of DS posters, well this thread answer that question doesn't it
Well done Abbey - great dance
Was there enough salsa in it? No, probably not but to be fair how much AS foxtrot was in Natalie's dance? Not much
Did she deserve 4 x 10's? I'm not sure, she sold the dance 100% the armography was good, the lifts were good, the disco elements were good, the salsa bits were good, put that all together, was it the perfect dance? For the judges, yes it was, for the GBP - probably yes, for the majority of DS posters, well this thread answer that question doesn't it
Well done Abbey - great dance
I totally agree with a comment Smokeychan1 made - I am a non dancer and as such the dances that I "connect" with are the ones I like - like Abbey's dance tonight - it may not have been the best of its kind technically (as some claim), but I really enjoyed it and obviously others agreed as they voted her back.
I do appreciate that I am probably looking at something different from others on this site who have dance training, but this programme is both a dancing competition and an entertainment programme, so it will attract both those with knowledge and those without.
I do appreciate that I am probably looking at something different from others on this site who have dance training, but this programme is both a dancing competition and an entertainment programme, so it will attract both those with knowledge and those without.
Not a salsa, missed steps, not even a great disco dance. Not perfect by a long way. I'm not denying that Abbey had a connection with the audience though. She did try hard.
Originally Posted by RoseAnne:
“Not a salsa, missed steps, not even a great disco dance. Not perfect by a long way.”
“Not a salsa, missed steps, not even a great disco dance. Not perfect by a long way.”
It did look good.
Originally Posted by RoseAnne:
“Not a salsa, missed steps, not even a great disco dance. Not perfect by a long way. I'm not denying that Abbey had a connection with the audience though. She did try hard.”
“Not a salsa, missed steps, not even a great disco dance. Not perfect by a long way. I'm not denying that Abbey had a connection with the audience though. She did try hard.”
See, I never find perfection an appealing trait, no matter the subject.
Originally Posted by Smokeychan1:
“See, I never find perfection an appealing trait, no matter the subject.”
“See, I never find perfection an appealing trait, no matter the subject.”
Beginning to feel like your back-up man on this thread! Totally agree with you, perfection can sometimes seem so clinical.
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