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Swing-a-thon
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wazzyboy
02-12-2013
Originally Posted by DiamondBetty:
“According to one of the guys in this clip, they started doing 'air steps' circa 1937. This is 1941

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qkthxBs...%3DqkthxBsIeGQ”



Is it mean of me to hope they actually have to try to do it at that pace and all collapse at pretty much the same time in an ungainly heap approximately ten seconds in, thus rendering
the entire thing unmarkable and given up as a bad job?
wazzyboy
02-12-2013
Originally Posted by Monaogg:
“Natalie & Artem have done a Charleston & just done an AS with lifts so not so out of their comfort zone.”

Natalie has blogged that she is not a fan of lifts. Not because she does not trust Artem, she just does not enjoy the loss of control. I don't think it's technically an issue, just not quite her comfort zone from that point of view.
anirose26
02-12-2013
I predict in the order being called out,

1.Susanna and Kevin
2.Patrick and Anya
3.Natalie and Artem
4.Ashley and Ola
5.Sophie and Brendan
6.Abbey and Aljaz
DiamondBetty
02-12-2013
Originally Posted by hannah:
“AA because they are the judges favourites”

It certainly came across that way on Saturday, however:

Natalie and Artem have the highest total judges score at present though - 321/360 (average of 35.7) versus Abby and Aljaz 339/400 average of 33.9) Although Abby is currently on the ascent and Natalie is static (no percentage change from last week). Abby has had a perfect 40, Natalie hasn't.

I'm not sure that favouritism is that clear cut, no one has had consistent 36 or over scores except Natalie (4 weeks in a row with a week not danced in that run). In the same period, Abby dipped to a 32.
wazzyboy
02-12-2013
If Patrick can chuck himself about with anything like the gusto of his Charleston I'd not have him scoring in the lower reaches of this at all.
DiamondBetty
02-12-2013
Originally Posted by wazzyboy:
“Natalie has blogged that she is not a fan of lifts. Not because she does not trust Artem, she just does not enjoy the loss of control. I don't think it's technically an issue, just not quite her comfort zone from that point of view. ”

She has suggested similar in at least two VT's, I think.
DiamondBetty
02-12-2013
Originally Posted by wazzyboy:
“If Patrick can chuck himself about with anything like the gusto of his Charleston I'd not have him scoring in the lower reaches of this at all.”

I've got him pegged as 2nd place at present. Might change as the training footage comes out but he's done a lot of lifts already and this is coming up right after his Charleston so I think he's got a good chance.

He and Anya are the ideal size pairing for aerials, too.
j4Rose
02-12-2013
Originally Posted by DiamondBetty:
“It certainly came across that way on Saturday, however:

Natalie and Artem have the highest total judges score at present though - 357/400 (average of 35.7) versus Abby and Aljaz 379/440 (average of 34.45). Although Abby is currently on the ascent and Natalie is static (no percentage change from last week).

I'm not sure that favouritism is that clear cut, no one has had consistent 36 or over scores except Natalie (4 weeks in a row with a week not danced in that run). In the same period, Abby dipped to a 32.”

It says that Abbey has an average of 33.9 on wikipedia.
DiamondBetty
02-12-2013
Originally Posted by j4Rose:
“It says that Abbey has an average of 33.9 on wikipedia.”

I'm the first to admit my maths is ropey and the figures I found didn't have Saturdays 40 included, so I did some of the figures myself. Hold on, will double check.

You are right, which actually makes my point even more clearly than my bodged figures...

Current average Natalie - 35.7 Abby 33.9

The numbers suggest the judges favour Natalie, although as previously noted, Abby is on the ascent.

(Will edit my previous so as not to confuse)
Three Left Feet
02-12-2013
If only it was a "swingerthon". That would test stamina in a different way!
DiamondBetty
02-12-2013
Originally Posted by Three Left Feet:
“If only it was a "swingerthon". That would test stamina in a different way!”

Naughty! And not something the BBC would air at tea time!
hannah
02-12-2013
I predict it will go like this

1 point= Susanna & Kevin
2 points= Natalie & Artem
3 points= Ashley & Ola
4 points= Sophie & Brendan
5 points= Patrick & Anya
6 points= Abbey & Alijaz
Mrs-Mop
02-12-2013
It will suit Abbey, Ashley and Patrick

But I can see Sophie, Natalie and Susanna struggling

However if the "conspiracy theorists" are correct then Natalie and Susanna will finish after Sophie "cos the judges want her out!" so Sophie out first and the others after her

Hope I'm wrong and Sophie and Brendan prove to be ace swingathoners
j4Rose
02-12-2013
Why do people think that Natalie will struggle and that Abbey will be good? Abbey's jive was terrible.
ewoodie
02-12-2013
Cynical me says the result depends on who the judges want to keep in the comp. If their faves (whoever they might be) are low on the leaderboard, then they'll do well in the swingathon.
Mrs-Mop
02-12-2013
Originally Posted by j4Rose:
“Why do people think that Natalie will struggle and that Abbey will be good? Abbey's jive was terrible.”

Abbey, in hold lots of lifts etc suit her strengths
Natalie does not like lifts and is as tall as Artem which will look less graceful in this style (I think, just my opinion)
What name??
02-12-2013
Originally Posted by j4Rose:
“Why do people think that Natalie will struggle and that Abbey will be good? Abbey's jive was terrible.”

And she couldn't salsa which is also closely related. I've got no idea where this is coming from either.
What name??
02-12-2013
Originally Posted by Mrs-Mop:
“Abbey, in hold lots of lifts etc suit her strengths
Natalie does not like lifts and is as tall as Artem which will look less graceful in this style (I think, just my opinion)”

They are different lifts. In jive and swing they tend to be low ones not the sweep up into the air and balance them ones.
DiamondBetty
02-12-2013
Originally Posted by j4Rose:
“Why do people think that Natalie will struggle and that Abbey will be good? Abbey's jive was terrible.”

There won't be much stepping though, just throwing.

I think they have a trusting partnership, Abbey had two big lifts and a small one in her Charleston, 2 big and 2 medium in her Salsadisco (is that a rule infringement?) and a sneaky little one in her Rhumba. This week she said she'd been practising her lifts at home with Pete!

Natalie had one little back flip in her Charleston and 3 in her AS, two of the three are the ones that are pulled out for the less adventurous lady, such as Fiona.

Here she says she's 'not a fan' of lifts: http://uk.omg.yahoo.com/gossip/the-j...121122454.html

And she was critiqued at the judges table for her habit of looking down on the way into a lift, something which possibly indicates trepidation?

Plus N & A seem prone to injury, and they may choose to priority their main dance training (top score worth more points than Swingathon) due to Natalie's previous exhaustion.
DiamondBetty
02-12-2013
Originally Posted by wazzyboy:
“Is it mean of me to hope they actually have to try to do it at that pace and all collapse at pretty much the same time in an ungainly heap approximately ten seconds in, thus rendering
the entire thing unmarkable and given up as a bad job? ”

Nope, at least that will be an appropriate representation of the dance to the public at large!
DiamondBetty
02-12-2013
Originally Posted by What name??:
“They are different lifts. In jive and swing they tend to be low ones not the sweep up into the air and balance them ones.”

I'd say yes and no. They can be as high, but they are kinetic sweepey ones, rather than lift and pose

I'm struggling to find footage online because it's mostly tutorials and I can't help but worry about the irresponsibility of putting 'how to' guides on a forum
DiamondBetty
02-12-2013
As Patrick has credited Ryan Francois and Jenny Thomas with his Charleston choreo last week, I'm hoping they are sticking around to advise on the SwingaThon
Lorelei Lee
02-12-2013
I have to agree with those talking down Abbey's chances. I don't think she'll be that confident in the swingathon environment, and her jive really was horrible, even if her Charleston and salsa were OK.

Natalie, on the other hand, doesn't strike me as the type to get fazed and she's damn competitive. If she needs to get the lifts nailed, then she totally will. Her Charleston was pretty fabby and all the dances where she's needed fast feet - QS, samba, and what we saw of the jive - looked good. Plus she will have no qualms about manoeuvring round people.

Sophie and Susanna will struggle to keep their feet going fast enough and may end up looking dodgy early on, tricks or no tricks. Patrick's probably not going to let the situation scare him and he's got more training time than Ashley so I'd put him ahead in the battle of the boys.

But don't discount Natalie. She's done everything asked of her so far and she's done it with style - and even done it with injuries. This girl is pure titanium. My money's on her.
Stuart25
02-12-2013
The judges will use this as an opportunity to fix the leaderboard.

As there will be six couples on the floor at once, with a good chance of the viewers only seeing one or two at a time, they won't have to justify their marks as we may not have seen a certain couple's "best" or "worst" moves in their routine.

Hope that made sense
Smokeychan1
02-12-2013
I know 11 weeks in they are all feeling it, but if stamina counts - and of course the longer it continues, it will be paramount - then Abbey must have an advantage in that area: she looked as fresh and enthusiastic on Saturday as she did on the launch show.

Stamin-o-meter:

Abbey
Natalie/Sophie
Patrick
Susanna - may have been flagging from despondency rather than fitness issues
Ashley

Then there are injuries:

Natalie - back has to be a concern for this routine
Patrick - doubt his hand is fully recovered from the injury of a few weeks ago

I couldn't and shouldn't try to call it, but I do think Susanna's frenetic and somewhat messy style may actually suit the swingathon. I also agree with whoever it was who said this may be right up Sophie's street.

One thing I am pretty sure of, Abbey will whoop and squeal the most
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