HTC One Mini banned in UK, HTC One could follow

IslandNiles · 03-12-2013, 16:26

Details here.

http://www.engadget.com/2013/12/03/h...-nokia-patent/

This is part of the ongoing Nokia/HTC patent thing.

enapace · 03-12-2013, 16:43

Thankfully it doesn't include the One as well this has not been HTC's year they built a brilliant device and come up against issue after issue.

Liam_777 · 03-12-2013, 17:48

I can't help but feel sorry HTC.

It's not just the One Mini, it's also HTC One Max, HTC One SV, HTC One X+ & One XL, plus both Windows Phone handsets HTC 8X and HTC 8S.

They are only really left with the HTC One to sell. Not good at all for them.

BKM · 03-12-2013, 17:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by enapace

Thankfully it doesn't include the One as well this has not been HTC's year they built a brilliant device and come up against issue after issue.

A major one of the issues seems to have be very poor marketing of the HTC One BY HTC themselves!

Outside of forums like these it seems to have been Galaxy 3/4 vs the iPhone still!

enapace · 03-12-2013, 18:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by BKM

A major one of the issues seems to have be very poor marketing of the HTC One BY HTC themselves!

Outside of forums like these it seems to have been Galaxy 3/4 vs the iPhone still!

That is very true a big problem in america was the fact it got delayed so much on Verizon as well.

I think it is clear that HTC can make an amazing device they need to build marketing more.

grumpyoldbat · 03-12-2013, 18:06

I love the Hipster Troll Carwash!

Zack06 · 03-12-2013, 18:14

This is Microsoft acting through Nokia. I think they are hoping that HTC Android devices flop so that HTC will turn back to Windows Phone. Either that or Microsoft are trying to destroy HTC so that they can acquire it.

HTC had a hit device with the One, but nobody knew about it. They hardly marketed it compared to the iPhone, S4 and even the Xperia Z1 and LG G2.

In fact the most times I've seen a HTC advert is when their name quickly flashes up during football games. They've had hardly any billboards etc compared to the other Android OEMs. Very poor.

alanwarwic · 03-12-2013, 18:21

Crazy that HTC agrees to pay Mirosoft sheds load of cash and Microsoft/Nokia to go and outlaw some of them.

No wonder the likes of Asus and Toshiba have Chromebooks arriving.
They probably also see Microsoft as a manufacturer competitor rather than Windows licensor.

IvanIV · 03-12-2013, 18:36

This is not as when Samsung stole rectangular shape of tablets from Apple. There is a chip in HTC One mini that is patented by Nokia and should not be there.

alanwarwic · 03-12-2013, 18:40

Probably that one that fact that HTC bought when unaware it broke the Nokia trademark. Worth $1?
Have they not now changed to different production ?

IvanIV · 03-12-2013, 19:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by alanwarwic

Probably that one that fact that HTC bought when unaware it broke the Nokia trademark. Worth $1?
Have they not now changed to different production ?

They already had troubles with Nokia microphones. It does not matter how much it costs, they should have somebody to check these things. Nokia people can open that phone, point at a thing and say This belongs to us and should not be here without us knowing. Companies sue each other for less. So why risk it. Incompetence or carelessness?

qasdfdsaq · 03-12-2013, 20:45

It didn't say Nokia on it, it said STM on it. It didn't belong to Nokia either.

You can't check everything you buy against every patent out there. Especially if it requires you to disassemble microchips and map out the circuitry.

enapace · 03-12-2013, 20:50

Surprised Microsoft pushed for a ban instead of just an out of court settlement.

tdenson · 03-12-2013, 21:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zack06

This is Microsoft acting through Nokia. I think they are hoping that HTC Android devices flop so that HTC will turn back to Windows Phone. Either that or Microsoft are trying to destroy HTC so that they can acquire it.
.

Why does there always have to be a conspiracy theory on this forum. What's wrong with believing that Nokia are simply defending (and rightly so) their IP ?

enapace · 03-12-2013, 21:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by tdenson

Why does there always have to be a conspiracy theory on this forum. What's wrong with believing that Nokia are simply defending (and rightly so) their IP ?

You mean apart from fact that two weeks ago it became Microsoft's IP nothing at all.

I don't think there is a conspiracy I just think HTC have run into bad luck. It is mainly STM's fault but HTC are going bare the brunt of it.

Zack06 · 03-12-2013, 21:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by tdenson

Why does there always have to be a conspiracy theory on this forum. What's wrong with believing that Nokia are simply defending (and rightly so) their IP ?

I think it's naive to think that there is no underlying business motive behind these moves. I highly doubt Apple was suing Samsung like crazy solely to "defend their IP". I don't think Nokia/Microsoft is either.

DANCE OF DEATH · 03-12-2013, 22:39

So it means my HTC One mini is going to a rarity after December 6th.

neil402003 · 03-12-2013, 23:20

Yeah,mine too.Will value rise on EBay?..haha!

Rush · 03-12-2013, 23:57

HTC One Mini is a great little phone, not the best time for it to get taken of the shelfs.
What is quite worrying is that between January and September this year; HTC sold 750,000 Smartphones(70% of which was HTC One/Mini). Last year HTC sold 440,000 Smartphones between October and December, alone. Will be interesting to find how many units they have shifted between September and December this year..

tdenson · 04-12-2013, 00:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zack06

I highly doubt Apple was suing Samsung like crazy solely to "defend their IP".

Actually, I think they were

tdenson · 04-12-2013, 00:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by enapace

You mean apart from fact that two weeks ago it became Microsoft's IP nothing at all

Yep. It takes more than two weeks for a company like Microsoft to even begin to realise they own Nokia.

Quote:

I don't think there is a conspiracy I just think HTC have run into bad luck. It is mainly STM's fault but HTC are going bare the brunt of it.

I agree

kidspud · 04-12-2013, 07:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zack06

I think it's naive to think that there is no underlying business motive behind these moves. I highly doubt Apple was suing Samsung like crazy solely to "defend their IP". I don't think Nokia/Microsoft is either.

Defending their IP is the business motive. If you sit back and allow other companies to steal your IP, it will provide no benefit to your business at all.

I'm continued to be amazed that on these forums, that those who protect the business are seen as the bad guys.

IvanIV · 04-12-2013, 07:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq

It didn't say Nokia on it, it said STM on it. It didn't belong to Nokia either.

You can't check everything you buy against every patent out there. Especially if it requires you to disassemble microchips and map out the circuitry.

I do not believe that there's no technical documentation what baggage comes with what component. And you have to check these things. Because there's big consequences. It already happened once with Nokia microphones in HTC One. Nokia approached this reasonably, but here's something again. I'd say it's this history that made Nokia act more strictly.

IvanIV · 04-12-2013, 07:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zack06

I think it's naive to think that there is no underlying business motive behind these moves. I highly doubt Apple was suing Samsung like crazy solely to "defend their IP". I don't think Nokia/Microsoft is either.

This way it works better than if they just said: "Bad, bad HTC. Just don't do it again. Please." It has to hurt for them to notice. It's like corporate reflexes in a way. If their business is hit by this, they'll be more careful next time.

Roush · 04-12-2013, 10:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by enapace

You mean apart from fact that two weeks ago it became Microsoft's IP nothing at all.

Wrong on two counts.

Firstly the deal hasn't closed yet. It's still waiting for EU approval so nothing has formally changed hands yet.

Secondly, the IP will remain Nokia's property. Microsoft only gets a license to use it, at a price of EUR 1.65 billion for a 10 year license with an option to extend.

From Nokia's press statement:

Nokia's CTO (Chief Technology Office) organization and patent portfolio will remain within the Nokia Group.

http://press.nokia.com/2013/09/03/no...h-transaction/

03-12-2013, 16:26	#1
IslandNiles Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 13,091	HTC One Mini banned in UK, HTC One could follow Details here. http://www.engadget.com/2013/12/03/h...-nokia-patent/ This is part of the ongoing Nokia/HTC patent thing.

03-12-2013, 16:43	#2
enapace Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 4,249	Thankfully it doesn't include the One as well this has not been HTC's year they built a brilliant device and come up against issue after issue.

03-12-2013, 17:48	#3
Liam_777 Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 45	I can't help but feel sorry HTC. It's not just the One Mini, it's also HTC One Max, HTC One SV, HTC One X+ & One XL, plus both Windows Phone handsets HTC 8X and HTC 8S. They are only really left with the HTC One to sell. Not good at all for them.

03-12-2013, 17:55	#4
BKM Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 6,288	Quote: Originally Posted by enapace Thankfully it doesn't include the One as well this has not been HTC's year they built a brilliant device and come up against issue after issue. A major one of the issues seems to have be very poor marketing of the HTC One BY HTC themselves! Outside of forums like these it seems to have been Galaxy 3/4 vs the iPhone still!

03-12-2013, 18:05	#5
enapace Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 4,249	Quote: Originally Posted by BKM A major one of the issues seems to have be very poor marketing of the HTC One BY HTC themselves! Outside of forums like these it seems to have been Galaxy 3/4 vs the iPhone still! That is very true a big problem in america was the fact it got delayed so much on Verizon as well. I think it is clear that HTC can make an amazing device they need to build marketing more.

03-12-2013, 18:06	#6
grumpyoldbat Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 3,636	I love the Hipster Troll Carwash!

03-12-2013, 18:14	#7
Zack06 Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 27,438	This is Microsoft acting through Nokia. I think they are hoping that HTC Android devices flop so that HTC will turn back to Windows Phone. Either that or Microsoft are trying to destroy HTC so that they can acquire it. HTC had a hit device with the One, but nobody knew about it. They hardly marketed it compared to the iPhone, S4 and even the Xperia Z1 and LG G2. In fact the most times I've seen a HTC advert is when their name quickly flashes up during football games. They've had hardly any billboards etc compared to the other Android OEMs. Very poor.

03-12-2013, 18:21	#8
alanwarwic Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: the wild world web Posts: 28,132	Crazy that HTC agrees to pay Mirosoft sheds load of cash and Microsoft/Nokia to go and outlaw some of them. No wonder the likes of Asus and Toshiba have Chromebooks arriving. They probably also see Microsoft as a manufacturer competitor rather than Windows licensor.

03-12-2013, 18:36	#9
IvanIV Forum Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 25,199	This is not as when Samsung stole rectangular shape of tablets from Apple. There is a chip in HTC One mini that is patented by Nokia and should not be there.

03-12-2013, 18:40	#10
alanwarwic Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: the wild world web Posts: 28,132	Probably that one that fact that HTC bought when unaware it broke the Nokia trademark. Worth $1? Have they not now changed to different production ?

03-12-2013, 19:32	#11
IvanIV Forum Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 25,199	Quote: Originally Posted by alanwarwic Probably that one that fact that HTC bought when unaware it broke the Nokia trademark. Worth $1? Have they not now changed to different production ? They already had troubles with Nokia microphones. It does not matter how much it costs, they should have somebody to check these things. Nokia people can open that phone, point at a thing and say This belongs to us and should not be here without us knowing. Companies sue each other for less. So why risk it. Incompetence or carelessness?

03-12-2013, 20:45	#12
qasdfdsaq Inactive Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,286	It didn't say Nokia on it, it said STM on it. It didn't belong to Nokia either. You can't check everything you buy against every patent out there. Especially if it requires you to disassemble microchips and map out the circuitry.

03-12-2013, 20:50	#13
enapace Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 4,249	Surprised Microsoft pushed for a ban instead of just an out of court settlement.

03-12-2013, 21:01	#14
tdenson Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 4,214	Quote: Originally Posted by Zack06 This is Microsoft acting through Nokia. I think they are hoping that HTC Android devices flop so that HTC will turn back to Windows Phone. Either that or Microsoft are trying to destroy HTC so that they can acquire it. . Why does there always have to be a conspiracy theory on this forum. What's wrong with believing that Nokia are simply defending (and rightly so) their IP ?

03-12-2013, 21:05	#15
enapace Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 4,249	Quote: Originally Posted by tdenson Why does there always have to be a conspiracy theory on this forum. What's wrong with believing that Nokia are simply defending (and rightly so) their IP ? You mean apart from fact that two weeks ago it became Microsoft's IP nothing at all. I don't think there is a conspiracy I just think HTC have run into bad luck. It is mainly STM's fault but HTC are going bare the brunt of it.

03-12-2013, 21:22	#16
Zack06 Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 27,438	Quote: Originally Posted by tdenson Why does there always have to be a conspiracy theory on this forum. What's wrong with believing that Nokia are simply defending (and rightly so) their IP ? I think it's naive to think that there is no underlying business motive behind these moves. I highly doubt Apple was suing Samsung like crazy solely to "defend their IP". I don't think Nokia/Microsoft is either.

03-12-2013, 22:39	#17
DANCE OF DEATH Guest Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 4,723	So it means my HTC One mini is going to a rarity after December 6th.

03-12-2013, 23:20	#18
neil402003 Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 149	Yeah,mine too.Will value rise on EBay?..haha!

03-12-2013, 23:57	#19
Rush Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Scotland Posts: 420	HTC One Mini is a great little phone, not the best time for it to get taken of the shelfs. What is quite worrying is that between January and September this year; HTC sold 750,000 Smartphones(70% of which was HTC One/Mini). Last year HTC sold 440,000 Smartphones between October and December, alone. Will be interesting to find how many units they have shifted between September and December this year..

04-12-2013, 00:07	#20
tdenson Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 4,214	Quote: Originally Posted by Zack06 I highly doubt Apple was suing Samsung like crazy solely to "defend their IP". Actually, I think they were

04-12-2013, 00:10	#21
tdenson Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 4,214	Quote: Originally Posted by enapace You mean apart from fact that two weeks ago it became Microsoft's IP nothing at all Yep. It takes more than two weeks for a company like Microsoft to even begin to realise they own Nokia. Quote: I don't think there is a conspiracy I just think HTC have run into bad luck. It is mainly STM's fault but HTC are going bare the brunt of it. I agree

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04-12-2013, 07:06	#22
kidspud Forum Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 11,501	Quote: Originally Posted by Zack06 I think it's naive to think that there is no underlying business motive behind these moves. I highly doubt Apple was suing Samsung like crazy solely to "defend their IP". I don't think Nokia/Microsoft is either. Defending their IP is the business motive. If you sit back and allow other companies to steal your IP, it will provide no benefit to your business at all. I'm continued to be amazed that on these forums, that those who protect the business are seen as the bad guys.

04-12-2013, 07:30	#23
IvanIV Forum Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 25,199	Quote: Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq It didn't say Nokia on it, it said STM on it. It didn't belong to Nokia either. You can't check everything you buy against every patent out there. Especially if it requires you to disassemble microchips and map out the circuitry. I do not believe that there's no technical documentation what baggage comes with what component. And you have to check these things. Because there's big consequences. It already happened once with Nokia microphones in HTC One. Nokia approached this reasonably, but here's something again. I'd say it's this history that made Nokia act more strictly.

04-12-2013, 07:42	#24
IvanIV Forum Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 25,199	Quote: Originally Posted by Zack06 I think it's naive to think that there is no underlying business motive behind these moves. I highly doubt Apple was suing Samsung like crazy solely to "defend their IP". I don't think Nokia/Microsoft is either. This way it works better than if they just said: "Bad, bad HTC. Just don't do it again. Please." It has to hurt for them to notice. It's like corporate reflexes in a way. If their business is hit by this, they'll be more careful next time.

04-12-2013, 10:05	#25
Roush Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Hertfordshire Posts: 2,938	Quote: Originally Posted by enapace You mean apart from fact that two weeks ago it became Microsoft's IP nothing at all. Wrong on two counts. Firstly the deal hasn't closed yet. It's still waiting for EU approval so nothing has formally changed hands yet. Secondly, the IP will remain Nokia's property. Microsoft only gets a license to use it, at a price of EUR 1.65 billion for a 10 year license with an option to extend. From Nokia's press statement: Nokia's CTO (Chief Technology Office) organization and patent portfolio will remain within the Nokia Group. http://press.nokia.com/2013/09/03/no...h-transaction/