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Amy's Dad backs the "bullies"
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polli
04-12-2013
What utter tosh !People are taking a supposed comment from a supposed person and twisting it to fuel their dislike of amy and it is getting ridiculous.
There is NO way amy's supportive father would even hint that he was *backing the bullies*. Rubbish .
In actual fact HE was verbally abused by Annabel (*I'm a better perrrrrrrrson than her*) on the night Dingdong was dumped out. He went over to hug her in the family room and she gave him a mouthful of verbals and was fuming and ranting about amy. The guy couldn't get a word in edgeways. Like she EVER had a chance of grabbing the win ,lol.
So considering ge was a victim of the kind of crap amy gets then never no way ever whatsoever has he *backed them up*.
Rhumbatugger
04-12-2013
Originally Posted by AOTB:
“The 'B' word is sidetracking us again. The debate then goes off track into people's definition of what is a bully. That't not really the main issue in how Amy'd been treated.

Can we focus less on the 'B' word and more on what we actually CAN prove- i.e the bitchines, the perceived 'ganging up' that the 3 men all were concerned about, the snidy comments and the looking down her nose/ exclusion of her etc.

As I say, as soon as someone mentions the 'B' word, all the above gets lost as we argue basically over the definition of a word, and NOT the main issue at hand.

Just my opinion of course.”


Well, we do know that the three men were concerned that the women were being rather hard on Amy.

since then though, we have seen no extra interaction between them, no positive defence of her since.

Indeed we have seen Alfonso trying to help Amy only to be met with a ton of selfish verbiage, and Amy landing Alfonso in it.

I think it's quite possible that they have all wised up to Amy a bit, now. more generally, as they don't know about the Alfonso bit.
AOTB
04-12-2013
Originally Posted by Rhumbatugger:
“Well, we do know that the three men were concerned that the women were being rather hard on Amy.”

Yes, they all said they were concerned, so much so that they discussed which one of the 3 would go to reassure Amy that they could see what was happening, they thought it was unfair and they didn't condone it. Al said he saw it as them 'ganging up' on her.
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“since then though, we have seen no extra interaction between them, no positive defence of her since.”

We havn't seen the opposite either
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“Indeed we have seen Alfonso trying to help Amy only to be met with a ton of selfish verbiage, and Amy landing Alfonso in it.”

This is not what happened, not even close to it.
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“I think it's quite possible that they have all wised up to Amy a bit, now.”

I think it's quite possible that they have all wised up to Lucy a bit now.
Rhumbatugger
04-12-2013
Originally Posted by AOTB:
“Yes, they all said they were concerned, so much so that they discussed which one of the 3 would go to reassure Amy that they could see what was happening, they thought it was unfair and they didn't condone it. Al said he saw it as them 'ganging up' on her.

We havn't seen the opposite either

This is not what happened, not even close to it.

I think it's quite possible that they have all wised up to Lucy a bit now.”

So you agree, except for Alfonso trying to help Amy by persuading her to give up the concealer?

Or that she didn't give a load of selfish verbiage?

Or both?
wonkeydonkey
04-12-2013
Originally Posted by AOTB:
“I think it's quite possible that they have all wised up to Lucy a bit now.”

I don't think there is anything to wise up to. She is quite happy to be rude to someone in front of every other campmate. I don't warm to her, but you can't accuse her of being a smiling assassin.
Rhumbatugger
04-12-2013
Originally Posted by wonkeydonkey:
“I don't think there is anything to wise up to. She is quite happy to be rude to someone in front of every other campmate. I don't warm to her, but you can't accuse her of being a smiling assassin.”

I agree - missed that, but your answer was pithier than mine would have been.
vald
04-12-2013
Originally Posted by polli:
“What utter tosh !People are taking a supposed comment from a supposed person and twisting it to fuel their dislike of amy and it is getting ridiculous.
There is NO way amy's supportive father would even hint that he was *backing the bullies*. Rubbish .
In actual fact HE was verbally abused by Annabel (*I'm a better perrrrrrrrson than her*) on the night Dingdong was dumped out. He went over to hug her in the family room and she gave him a mouthful of verbals and was fuming and ranting about amy. The guy couldn't get a word in edgeways. Like she EVER had a chance of grabbing the win ,lol.
So considering ge was a victim of the kind of crap amy gets then never no way ever whatsoever has he *backed them up*.”

Have you got a link please.
bulldog rosie
04-12-2013
Originally Posted by wonkeydonkey:
“I don't think there is anything to wise up to. She is quite happy to be rude to someone in front of every other campmate. I don't warm to her, but you can't accuse her of being a smiling assassin.”

That's true..... I'd definitely leave out the word "SMILING"
Dutch Marlene
04-12-2013
Geez this is such a non story. Amy is not bullied but I am sure this will keep on coming up now. yawn.
imrightok
04-12-2013
Originally Posted by aggielane:
“He said out of the 20 odd days they have been in there that it would be hard to put together 15 mins of bad footage because they all got on so well.”

Originally Posted by Paace:
“I didn't see his interview but I'm inclined to believe him .

Those producers always prefer to show anything negative in the highlights, which doesn't give the complete picture .”

Yep,i believe him, coz I've never known a journalist to lie.
too_much_coffee
04-12-2013
Originally Posted by polli:
“What utter tosh !People are taking a supposed comment from a supposed person and twisting it to fuel their dislike of amy and it is getting ridiculous.
There is NO way amy's supportive father would even hint that he was *backing the bullies*. Rubbish .
In actual fact HE was verbally abused by Annabel (*I'm a better perrrrrrrrson than her*) on the night Dingdong was dumped out. He went over to hug her in the family room and she gave him a mouthful of verbals and was fuming and ranting about amy. The guy couldn't get a word in edgeways. Like she EVER had a chance of grabbing the win ,lol.
So considering ge was a victim of the kind of crap amy gets then never no way ever whatsoever has he *backed them up*.”

I seemed to have missed this. When did this happen and is there a link please??
anne_666
04-12-2013
Originally Posted by polli:
“What utter tosh !People are taking a supposed comment from a supposed person and twisting it to fuel their dislike of amy and it is getting ridiculous.
There is NO way amy's supportive father would even hint that he was *backing the bullies*. Rubbish .
In actual fact HE was verbally abused by Annabel (*I'm a better perrrrrrrrson than her*) on the night Dingdong was dumped out. He went over to hug her in the family room and she gave him a mouthful of verbals and was fuming and ranting about amy. The guy couldn't get a word in edgeways. Like she EVER had a chance of grabbing the win ,lol.
So considering ge was a victim of the kind of crap amy gets then never no way ever whatsoever has he *backed them up*.”

Do you have a link for this please?
polli
04-12-2013
Originally Posted by too_much_coffee:
“I seemed to have missed this. When did this happen and is there a link please??”

Sorry ,I can't post links from this device. It was in one of the papers next day. He eventually arranged to speak to her later in the bar and that was a more sedate affair apparently .
postit
04-12-2013
Originally Posted by polli:
“What utter tosh !People are taking a supposed comment from a supposed person and twisting it to fuel their dislike of amy and it is getting ridiculous.
There is NO way amy's supportive father would even hint that he was *backing the bullies*. Rubbish .
In actual fact HE was verbally abused by Annabel (*I'm a better perrrrrrrrson than her*) on the night Dingdong was dumped out. He went over to hug her in the family room and she gave him a mouthful of verbals and was fuming and ranting about amy. The guy couldn't get a word in edgeways. Like she EVER had a chance of grabbing the win ,lol.
So considering ge was a victim of the kind of crap amy gets then never no way ever whatsoever has he *backed them up*.”

May I ask how you know this?

Edit. Posted before I read this very same question from a number of posters and the very weak reply. I'm guessing a WUM
bulldog rosie
04-12-2013
Originally Posted by anne_666:
“Do you have a link for this please?”

Apparently it was in the S*n but has since been denied by both of them. The usual S*n junk.
polli
04-12-2013
Originally Posted by postit:
“May I ask how you know this?

Edit. Posted before I read this very same question from a number of posters and the very weak reply. I'm guessing a WUM”

Well you 'guessed' wrong then didn't you dear ?

Originally Posted by bulldog rosie:
“Apparently it was in the S*n but has since been denied by both of them. The usual S*n junk.”

Thank you .
anne_666
04-12-2013
Originally Posted by bulldog rosie:
“Apparently it was in the S*n but has since been denied by both of them. The usual S*n junk.”

Thanks for the info That's one evil grinning face isn't it? Bring back the old smilies.that's better
lavender50
04-12-2013
as someone said on another thread, if anyone was being bullied ITV would have to take action, and they have 24/7 access to the camp.
the bullying stories are very boring now
anne_666
04-12-2013
Originally Posted by lavender50:
“as someone said on another thread, if anyone was being bullied ITV would have to take action, and they have 27/7 access to the camp.
the bullying stories are very boring now”

I agree. They are hardly likely to make themselves complicit in any bullying.

What a thrilling year it's been. A woman/child pretending to be a victim and a man/child pretending to be uneducated. He has redeemed himself a bit for me in recent days.
AOTB
04-12-2013
Originally Posted by Rhumbatugger:
“So you agree, except for Alfonso trying to help Amy by persuading her to give up the concealer?
Or that she didn't give a load of selfish verbiage?
Or both?”

Not being deliberitly obtuse, but I'm not sure I understand how that relates to my reply?
Originally Posted by Rhumbatugger:
“I agree - missed that, but your answer was pithier than mine would have been.”

I am allowed to have a different opinoin to you aren't I? (and I've explained my stance on this many many times, so please no one say I 'can't' or 'won''t answer).

Not trying to be rude here BTW
anne_666
04-12-2013
Originally Posted by JVS:
“By definition bullies only pick on those that are timid - reality shows have depicted many examples of this. Amy is pretty, well spoken,affable and demure - a prime target for ridicule and alienation by her tormentors.”

I have taken the time to look at Amy in the first reality show she did with Katy Price as suggested by a few posters and the links provided. Affable and demure are not words ,I or many of the people in the show would or did,use about her. Deja vu viewing.
KittyKream
04-12-2013
Originally Posted by wonkeydonkey:
“'Bullying' really can only be applied to things that the supposed victim knows about. You can say that Laila was unkind about Amy behind her back, but that cannot possibly count as bullying. And Laila seems to have been a fairly equal opportunities attacker: she doesn't seem to have liked anyone much. Was it bullying when Amy tried to damage Lucy behind her back?”

This is getting absurd. Laila 'an equal opportunities' attacker...

Did Layla call anyone else a c*** except Amy? No

Did Layla mock anyone elses voice and mannerisms in her eviction interview except Amy?
No

Did Layla grab cleaning materials out of anyone elses hands belittling them before the entire group (the implication being they are less than useless) except Amy?
No

I simply cannot comprehend this apparent amnesia concerning the FACTS of what has actually gone on.

Its as if a different programme is being watched and simple facts are being denied.
For what purpose I'm not sure but it is getting rather tiresome.
KittyKream
04-12-2013
Originally Posted by avon942:
“Thank you - don't think I could put it any better myself.”

Thankyou,some folk seem to develop memory loss regarding exactly how offensive and personal the Amy undermining has been.

People like to say it's 'not bullying,its bitching'

As if a lady Layla's age calling Amy a c*** is acceptable. As if Lucy asking Amy if she feels like a piece of meat and rendering her responsible for Lucy's own plastic surgery is acceptable( when Lucy herself judges beauty contests and does lads mags shoots...!)

The hyprocrisy is so obvious its staring us all in the face.
KittyKream
04-12-2013
Originally Posted by AOTB:
“Again spot on. People will hate me for even daring to suggest this but there should just be one thread on this where nothing but these things are put in. I would have a hell of a lot more to add as well.

The ONLY reason I say this is, not because I think we need more Amy threads (far from it) but because it's quite astounding the number of posters, many who I've seen in all these threads before, that seem to have completely (or conveniently) forgotten this kind of stuff. It's like it's not been addressed multiple times on here or it never happened. I've been asked a few times now to go back and quote exact posts but there are so many of these in so many different threads that for obvious reasons I don't have the time or the inclination. I just get tired of having to repeat the exact same answers 20 times!
It would be far easier just to say 'look in this one thread, it explains it all there'.

The worst thing is, it's often exactly the same posters time and again asking exactly the same questions of me. If I was a cynical man I might say that some are conveniently forgetting/ ignoring/ dismissing all these things for reasons other than memory loss. ”

Lol,I have just posted exactly that,it's like explaining events to people who have suffered memory loss. All the offensive remarks aimed at Amy seem to just be..forgotten

I agree you with also it fell short of bullying but it also was not acceptable behavior for supposedly mature adults. Forming a clique in which to insult one individual,isolating someone,judging based on appearances,accents and backgrounds (as Layla herself confirmed she did in her post eviction interview)..all this is the very essence of discrimination.

Discrimination may not be 'bullying' but its not pleasant and neither can it be justified.
AOTB
04-12-2013
Originally Posted by KittyKream:
“Lol,I have just posted exactly that,it's like explaining events to people who have suffered memory loss. All the offensive remarks aimed at Amy seem to just be..forgotten

I agree you with also it fell short of bullying but it also was not acceptable behavior for supposedly mature adults. Forming a clique in which to insult one individual,isolating someone,judging based on appearances,accents and backgrounds (as Layla herself confirmed she did in her post eviction interview)..all this is the very essence of discrimination.

Discrimination may not be 'bullying' but its not pleasant and neither can it be justified.”

Start the thread Kitty, you know you want to....

You can call it the 'One Stop Shop Bullet Point Reference Thread For Not Nice Things That Have Happened To Amy'

It would save SO much repetition of having to say the same thing over and over again to people that ask the same questions again and again.

I dare not start it as I'm on the naughty step at the moment, so I've got to lay low for a bit..
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