people are so blinded by their dislike for a pretty girl that they are forgetting sections of the show happened at all.totally forgetting amy being attacked before they even knew anything about her.

her detractors cant even talk about it.that's how wrong they know they are.

To kittyKream and AOTB and anyone else concerned on other threads...far be it from me to tell you what to do, but you guys spend allot of time defending Amy here and reminding people of stuff that went on...that is always going to be ignored to suit certain agendas.if i were you id not bother,or hold back a bit.its pointless speaking to those whom choose to cover their ears.

failing that.we could always start THAT thread....

I don't suffer from amnesia thank you, just see things in a more realistic light,possibly. The only thing in that list which was unnecessary was her grabbing the cloth from Amy. She is a fiery and I would say socially inept woman. If that had happened with anyone else it would never have generated a hysterical reaction of course. When someone is playing the victim to the hilt,to get far in any competition and people believe it, this hysteria will build. I do think that in the real world many people will refer to someone who annoys them using a swear word.Or have I left planet earth? We have no idea what she said and how you know it was c*** is beyond me? Only supposition of whatever you find the most offensive word to you?. Another non argument IMO Then she mimicked Amy in your opinion? I am puzzled about that as she actually said that Amy had a nice voice compared to hers , a compliment.

Could it possibly be that others differ in their opinion rather than being wrong? I am well aware of everything that has gone on and don't attach the same meaning as some. I think I am allowed to do that?

You seem pretty reasonable to me anne.

Phew, Thanks. I'm glad someone else has noticed me having to say the same thing time and again. I wouldn't mind so much if it were different posters, who just haven;t bothered to read the thread, (or my previous posts) before they start posting in, but it's the same ones!

I genuinely think the '1 stop shop' thread I suggested' would be beneficial also to not just the likes of those who are having to repeat themselves across multiple threads, but also for those who and keep asking the same questions. Just bullet points, no chat would benefit all round.

Surely it's a win win as it were?

I've already been accused of being 'in love with' her (roll eyes smilie) amongst other things, so prob best not me to start it.

chloedancer.. I'm looking at you

Have you ever thought that perhaps people just don't find your arguments convincing?

And we are all allowed to have a different view on things aren't we?

Not trying to be rude btw.

Yes. Of course. Have you re your arguments?

For me, this should go without saying. I think it's vital everyone is allowed an opinion
, and it is natural and normal of course for people to have different views.

I didn't take it that way, so not a problem, but I appreciate you clarifying.

Of course, after all I can't seem to convince you, anymore than you can convince me. But I'm not stating how I have to 'bang my head against a wall' or 'write lists' in order for those who disagree with me, to finally 'get' it or something.

Absolutely.


And lastly, I'm not able to influence how you 'take' my words, any more than you can expect me to 'take' your words exactly as you intend.

That's life.

That's kind of you to say but I assure you I can have unreasonable moments just like anyone else.:devil:

Dont know what you want to call it , bullying , bitchin or whatever .But for me it is damn rude and juvenile behavour to isolate one of a group and pick on every thing she did .
From what I saw and heard Mo behaved disgracefully towards Amy and had it been the other way around there would be an outcry .

I think we've all noticed the constant repetition across numerous thread of the opinions on both sides. :yawn:

IMO people have given their opinions ad nauseam. I'm not saying that you shouldn't start yet another thread, but I honestly don't see what it would achieve. You're never going to get a consensus on this (non)issue.

With respect, you've missed my point. It's not about me convincing people or not. It's about not having to repeat myself to the same people about exactly the same things, time and again.

Whether you feel the need to post about 'banging your head against a wall' or not, is largely irrelevant to me, and is entirely your prerogative. If you feel the need to post that, then by all means do.
I certainly wouldn't be so rude as to suggest you cannot post that, if you wish. (not that you have suggested I can't either, just a bit odd to me that you mention it).

No offence.

For what purpose would you wish a 'list' to refer to, except to help you convince people?

And you are, of course, free to post as you wish, just as I am free to comment on your posts. And vice versa.

You're obviously just blinded by your dislike of a pretty girl.

Blinded and with a very GREEN with envy face

Just to make sure hat I am stating FACTS rather than being one of those cited with selective amnesia I have rewatched the episodes from last Wednesday & Thursday (that of dish cloth gate)on ITV Player.

Around 5 mins into the episode there is the discussion about Amy staying up all night reading emails. All that Lucy says is "who from", possibly a little abrasively but not in the vitriolic, accusatory, Spanish Inquisition manner that is being reported.

Around 20 mins in Amy starts whimpering in her hammock and Rebecca goes to see what's up. Steve comments NOT Lucy. Comments are made by Lucy in the BT about whether sh'e been advised to cry by her agent but not to anyone else. Alphonso comes out with drivel that he could see that she was going down the road to emotion but he thought that it was better to just let her do it (vomit smiley required IMO)

NEXT DAY dish cloth gate occurs and Leila/Mo takes the cloth off Amy.

So............ FACT: Dish cloth gate was AFTER she had started her feeling sorry for herself and crying - not before.

Is this a serious question? are you trying to be a WUM? If so, not problem, I can take a joke.

If not the irony in this post is simply fantastic.

I've reckon I've given the reasons 3 times (maybe 4) already.

Don't call me a WUM.

You are on this board trying to persuade people that your point of view is the correct one, and your use of 'lists' is to 'provide evidence' in aid in this pursuit. Otherwise what the hell is it?

You don't want to repeat yourself. But you are assuming that people who disagree need to be TOLD what this evidence is, presumably so they will actually agree with you.

Is that right?

Because I'm honestly confused.

Yes, I agree you are most likely right.

BTW I've only just noticed I was calling you Vlad, and not Vald. Honest mistake, so apologies! I am going to blame the new bright background on here.

Ooops... missed a couple of bits out;

Wednesday
52 mins in to episode Annabel ass Amy to dry up. Amy says that she did previously and states that she had also taken Annabel her food. Annabel apologises for her error. Amy goes to BT and complains of Annabel's hypocrisy and says that Annabel won't do that again!

Thursday (for point of clarity for doubters)
Dish cloth gate occured at 42 mins into episode.

So both the washing up comment AND dish cloth gate were AFTER Amy started her crying.........

You are obviously imagining what you've viewed then.:devil: Amy has played so many people like fiddles she's very clever. I rewatched Mo's eviction interview because apparently she mimicked Amy in a bad way and didn't mimic anyone else? She actually complimented Amy on her speaking voice! It's interesting how Steve gets left out of the "bullying" debacle when he actually said more to Amy than anyone else has about her behaviour and was very accurate too. Why is this I wonder. From what we have been shown of course! It's just ridiculous.

That's alright because you are firmly planted in my head a ASBO poster. *smilie*

ok....did you mean to reply to me?i didn't mention dish cloth gate.

out of interest what is your opinion of laila's problem with Amy.it started the day of the merge when she told Rebecca she was better than Amy. do you think it was appearance or accent based.there was o time for it to be anything else.she had just met her