Fair enough. This isn't at you, but there is a lack of tolerance on here at times from both 'sides'.(and not trying to patronise here).

If anyone should feel bullied round here, it should be me (but I don't so nothing to see here!)

100% agree. I don't get why Lucy is so unliked.

Does make you laugh. As soon as anyone suggests Amy could be playing the game and Lucy etc have not been bullying all of a sudden the forum member who says it is out of order and is a bully themselves and rude to others.

Would love to be in a world where everyone skips happily along with each other, gives each other hugs and kisses every day and sing along in harmony.

You and I both!

I have said sorry for suggesting the public are easily fooled, but I still think Amy is playing a game. I like the girl and admire her game playing skills. I think she is a good game player.

I think it's because she's a sour-faced bully who thrives on hate

But that's just my opinion

I had an idea for a new thread earlier. I reckon it would be right up your street!

But it doesn't. these little spats happen on a day to day basis and it doesn't mean that someone is being bullied.

That's what I don't understand. All these bully allegations means that surely everyone in the UK or even the whole world is being bullied as no one gets along with everyone 24/7.

This is why the whole cry bulling jump on the band wagon I hate Lucy gets on my nerves. I cant see she has done anything wrong. We all lose our temper and sometimes say things we regret later, we are just not on TV. Wish people would give her a break

Lucy funny? When was that? She always seems mean, moody and angry.

You really are quite unpleasant.

Trust me, you really don't want to look in the Amy threads if you have a sensitive disposition as I've read far far worse than that.

Not saying 2 wrongs make a right, but that's tame. 'Evil', 'dead eyes', only good enough for lads mags and as a prostitute are a few choice ones recently (and this wasn't about Lucy).

Well my issue would be that people like you should see what people like Lucy are doing wrong, and should stand up against it - even if you like her

When Amy was being ostracised by most the group, and having her every word and action criticised and sniped at - even if she is lazy or even a "back stabber" - as soon as you join in or tolerate that, you're part of a problem that does infect society at every level and has touched everyone in the UK in some way

Why do you have to phrase everything so unpleasantly? No one in the camp, actually living with Lucy, seems to dislike her; she seems ultra-sociable, and always part of a chatty group as far as I can see. (And before you invent something, that chatty group changes constantly, and includes, as far as we can see, every other campmate at different times.).

And you cannot have failed to notice that utter lack of any dissenting voices - indeed, the amused unanimity that it MUST be so - at the suggestion that Amy does the least around the camp. She was as much the laziest as the most beautiful. Nor was there any dissent that Lucy was the hardest working. They are just different personalities - neither of them bullies, just people who don't really hit it off that well.

She was never ostracised by most of the group. This seems to be your problem - that you have rewritten a very ordinary dynamic to make it far more dramatic than it was. This has not been a bitchy or confrontational camp compared with most: everyone speaks to everyone else. You saw Amy herself saying tonight that she has had 'a brilliant time' in there - hardly the words of someone who has been bullied or ostracised.

I don't care how much Lucy is overestimated by her fans - ultimately, Lucy is intolerant, judgemental, and more than capable of double standards. She wouldn't be someone I would choose as a friend.

I agree with you, I like Lucy, and would love her to win, but her chances are low because of the editing

I think the winner is clear now. There are only two possibilities for the winner this year, Kian, or Joey. No other campmate has a chance of winning, in my opinon.

You should like me then - I'm like Lucy: I don't mince my words

Bullies are often popular .. I don't think even Amy disliked her, I think she was just made to feel bad about herself and felt intimidated



To me, to many people watching, to bullying campaigners I've read in the media and on Twitter, to Kian, David, Vincent and Alfonso in the camp, it DID look like she was being unfairly picked on and ostracised

(They just showed the clip of Vincent saying that on ITV2's show)

I think to call it "ordinary group dynamics" is to make light of and justify something a lot of people don't find acceptable

I wouldn't choose Lucy OR Amy as a friend. Come to that I'd say the same of Alfonso.

It's like Groundhog Day in here.

Erm People Like Me. Who is that then?

I don't care enough to have strong emotions about all this really but I usually like strong minded women who don't mince their words. Most of my friends and probably myself are like that. It may be the edit but she just doesn't come across as a very warm person

Sour-faced bints who like to bully people on forums (joke joke! > )

People who don't see anything wrong with how Lucy acted towards Amy

Ok read the thread I have put up re sticks and stones and tell me that you have never done something that could have caused upset to someone!!

J Swift
Are you telling me you are a bully?

I'll have a look for it

Oh I've done horrible things - I've been a part of bullying and I know how it works as a group bonding activity .. that's maybe why I recognise it

But I've regretted it and moved on, and at my age (younger than Lucy) I hope I'd more likely be standing up for the victims rather than sticking the boot in