Originally Posted by
J Swift:
“You should like me then - I'm like Lucy: I don't mince my words 
Bullies are often popular .. I don't think even Amy disliked her, I think she was just made to feel bad about herself and felt intimidated
To me, to many people watching, to bullying campaigners I've read in the media and on Twitter, to Kian, David, Vincent and Alfonso in the camp, it DID look like she was being unfairly picked on and ostracised
(They just showed the clip of Vincent saying that on ITV2's show)
I think to call it "ordinary group dynamics" is to make light of and justify something a lot of people don't find acceptable”
And we have seen less than 16 hours of over 300 in there. And in fact, not a lot of this so-called 'bullying', just constant references to it from the presenters. I think we're all being fooled.
Originally Posted by Gillbm:
“I have to say, from what I have seen, Lucy comes over as really mean and ugly. When she said to Amy something like we were glad you weren't here or we didnt miss you or words to that effect I was shocked. In my opinion there was absolutely no value in saying that. Bitchiness is neither attractive or intelligent.”
'From what you have seen' - there's the issue right there. We have
absolutely no idea of the reality of the situation because ITV are spinning for all they're worth. And if people are being taken in by it then that's their problem. I'm not so gullible.
I'm not saying that Lucy
hasn't had a problem with Amy - as have some of the others (even the so-called 'nice' ones), but to label her as a 'witch' or 'mean' or any of the other more disgusting epithets which seem so rampant on these boards is utterly ridiculous. People behave like that every day when they come across someone who gets their goat (sometimes for reasons they can't pinpoint. We can't get on with everybody). We have seen perhaps one or two instances of Lucy being exasperated with Amy; all the rest has been blown up out of all proportion by those who present the shows. If there was anything else to show to prove the point they would have done so.
And it amuses me to see that those who revile Lucy the most are the most vile about her - double standards. One rule for forum members, another for an actress in a reality show, it seems.
We're all human, with all our faults. And I won't criticise someone when i know that I can be as straight-talking and occasionally as frustrated as them and voice my opinions quite loudly.
Originally Posted by Reality Sucks:
“So we're supposed to take the word of other campmates who didn't like Amy?”
And those who did.
Originally Posted by
J Swift:
“Well if only perfect people were allowed to call out bullying, I suspect a lot more bullying would go unnoticed
Well I'd say you're trying to normalise something that shouldn't be tolerated at all in a civilised society
Amy's sister, on Twitter, seemed upset by the treatment she'd witnessed her getting - I can't imagine why she'd want to 'fantasise' about that ... I'm glad it's better now, and I think it's commendable the public have been voting out her tormentors
Thank you
”
Yes, that she had 'seen' - and she only sees what we see. If we were in the camp 24/7 then we would be able to form a full-knowledged picture of what is going on. But we're not. We're just 'told' things and the few very small arguments and scenes are emphasised to the nth degree, picked over and made to seem like much more thsn they are (and then repeated ad infinitum so that it seems that this is going on all the time).
It's such a shame this is still rumbling on. It ruins the enjoyment of the show.