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Underestimating Lucy
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Cosya
04-12-2013
Originally Posted by J Swift:
“I'll have a look for it

Oh I've done horrible things - I've been a part of bullying and I know how it works as a group bonding activity .. that's maybe why I recognise it

But I've regretted it and moved on, and at my age (younger than Lucy) I hope I'd more likely be standing up for the victims rather than sticking the boot in”

So even now you never say a bad word about anyone?
J Swift
04-12-2013
Originally Posted by Cosya:
“So even now you never say a bad word about anyone?”

Not to make them feel bad

If I say Lucy is a creased sack of ox bile and wasp venom that's been crudely beaten into the shape of a soap actress then brought to life by a voodoo curse, then I've certainly got things to work on
norbitonite
04-12-2013
Originally Posted by Gillbm:
“I don't care how much Lucy is overestimated by her fans - ultimately, Lucy is intolerant, judgemental, and more than capable of double standards. She wouldn't be someone I would choose as a friend.”

Thing is, your post reads as intolerant and judgemental, which would make it an example of double standards.

I would much prefer a night out with Lucy than with Amy or any of the 'IACGMOOH Now' lot.
Cosya
04-12-2013
Well I think you have made feel bad (maybe unintentionally) but you have.

You have called people on here Bully's and the People like you comment is quite offensive. So in what way are you any different to Lucy?
hansue
04-12-2013
Originally Posted by Cosya:
“Well I think you have made feel bad (maybe unintentionally) but you have.

You have called people on here Bully's and the People like you comment is quite offensive. So in what way are you any different to Lucy?”

Coysa please dont let JSwift make you feel bad. They are not worth it and only say things for effect. Just ignore them because those sort of people thrive on the reaction of others.
Gillbm
04-12-2013
Originally Posted by vald:
“I wouldn't choose Lucy OR Amy as a friend. Come to that I'd say the same of Alfonso.

It's like Groundhog Day in here.”

I have to say, from what I have seen, Lucy comes over as really mean and ugly. When she said to Amy something like we were glad you weren't here or we didnt miss you or words to that effect I was shocked. In my opinion there was absolutely no value in saying that. Bitchiness is neither attractive or intelligent.
AMS13
04-12-2013
Originally Posted by norbitonite:
“Thing is, your post reads as intolerant and judgemental, which would make it an example of double standards.

I would much prefer a night out with Lucy than with Amy or any of the 'IACGMOOH Now' lot.”

Can I join you. Lucy comes across (as eteam mates have said) supportive, hard working and somebody that would cover your back. Intelligent woman, who is typical of the Yorkshire crowd, in that she can call a spade a spade and says it how it. Has she ever let the team down, whether collecting wood, doing her fare share around the camp, supporting those that are struggling or refusing to do her best in a bush tucker trial?
hansue
04-12-2013
Originally Posted by AMS13:
“Can I join you. Lucy comes across (as eteam mates have said) supportive, hard working and somebody that would cover your back. Intelligent woman, who is typical of the Yorkshire crowd, in that she can call a spade a spade and says it how it. Has she ever let the team down, whether collecting wood, doing her fare share around the camp, supporting those that are struggling or refusing to do her best in a bush tucker trial?”

Well said and people on the outsude that know her say shes lovely.
norbitonite
04-12-2013
Originally Posted by AMS13:
“Can I join you. Lucy comes across (as eteam mates have said) supportive, hard working and somebody that would cover your back. Intelligent woman, who is typical of the Yorkshire crowd, in that she can call a spade a spade and says it how it. Has she ever let the team down, whether collecting wood, doing her fare share around the camp, supporting those that are struggling or refusing to do her best in a bush tucker trial?”


The more the merrier, AMS!
Gillbm
04-12-2013
Originally Posted by norbitonite:
“Thing is, your post reads as intolerant and judgemental, which would make it an example of double standards.

I would much prefer a night out with Lucy than with Amy or any of the 'IACGMOOH Now' lot.”

What a silly comment. However, I wouldn't enjoy a night out with any of them.
Lucylocket88
05-12-2013
Originally Posted by Gillbm:
“I have to say, from what I have seen, Lucy comes over as really mean and ugly. When she said to Amy something like we were glad you weren't here or we didnt miss you or words to that effect I was shocked. In my opinion there was absolutely no value in saying that. Bitchiness is neither attractive or intelligent.”

So, Amy stirring things between Lucy and Alfonso is ok then? Amy is no angel in my opinion. I just laugh at how Lucy gets all the hate from the public, the IT 2 panel and presents and media, when it looks like Amy lies and stirs the pot. Maybe, Lucy should just lie and stir the pot too and she wouldn't recive hate from the public, ITV2 and media.
norbitonite
05-12-2013
Originally Posted by Gillbm:
“What a silly comment. However, I wouldn't enjoy a night out with any of them.”

Which of the two comments in my post is 'silly'? The one pointing out the irony of your post, or the one saying that I would find Lucy's company preferable to that of Amy, or of any of the panellists on ITV2 who have been consistently bitching about Lucy?
J Swift
05-12-2013
Originally Posted by hansue:
“Coysa please dont let JSwift make you feel bad. They are not worth it and only say things for effect. Just ignore them because those sort of people thrive on the reaction of others.”

Originally Posted by Cosya:
“Well I think you have made feel bad (maybe unintentionally) but you have.

You have called people on here Bully's and the People like you comment is quite offensive. So in what way are you any different to Lucy?”

Well if I was like Lucy you'd both be cheering me on .. because you love bullies

I think I'm more like Amy because I'm beautiful and misunderstood
BROXI BEAR
05-12-2013
The miserable cow will be gone soon.
wonkeydonkey
05-12-2013
Originally Posted by J Swift:
“You should like me then - I'm like Lucy: I don't mince my words

Bullies are often popular .. I don't think even Amy disliked her, I think she was just made to feel bad about herself and felt intimidated”

I do take on board your ready confession that you yourself have enjoyed bullying people, but it seems that you haven't moved on as much as you might hope.

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“To me, to many people watching, to bullying campaigners I've read in the media and on Twitter, to Kian, David, Vincent and Alfonso in the camp, it DID look like she was being unfairly picked on and ostracised”

Yet again, you are dramatising something very ordinary; unlike you, I am not a bully in my personal life, but can take an impartial view. Amy said she had had a brilliant time in there; the three men you name briefly thought she was being left out by the other women (apart from Rebecca), but if this was true it no longer seems to be so. As far as we can see, she is part of a warmly supportive group, who tolerate her laziness with amusement and treat her with kindly affection. People 'don't find it acceptable' because they have got off on the lovely fantasy of a sweet, beautiful young girl being picked on by a horrible old group of 'crones', 'hags' and 'witches'. Now THAT is bullying, and bigoted as hell.


Originally Posted by J Swift:
“Well if I was like Lucy you'd both be cheering me on .. because you love bullies

I think I'm more like Amy because I'm beautiful and misunderstood ”

YOu just seem very attention seeking.
Reality Sucks
05-12-2013
Originally Posted by fisch:
“By the comments from the others on ITV2 especially from Annabelwho was amazed at what she had seen and heard since she was out She basically said what we have been seeing is not the truth.”

So we're supposed to take the word of other campmates who didn't like Amy?
J Swift
05-12-2013
Originally Posted by wonkeydonkey:
“I do take on board your ready confession that you yourself have enjoyed bullying people, but it seems that you haven't moved on as much as you might hope.”

Well if only perfect people were allowed to call out bullying, I suspect a lot more bullying would go unnoticed

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“Yet again, you are dramatising something very ordinary; Amy said she had had a brilliant time in there; the three men you name briefly thought she was being left out by the other women (apart from Rebecca), but if this was true it no longer seems to be so ... People 'don't find it acceptable' because they have got off on the lovely fantasy of a sweet, beautiful young girl being picked on by a horrible old group of 'crones', 'hags' and 'witches'. Now THAT is bullying, and bigoted as hell.”

Well I'd say you're trying to normalise something that shouldn't be tolerated at all in a civilised society

Amy's sister, on Twitter, seemed upset by the treatment she'd witnessed her getting - I can't imagine why she'd want to 'fantasise' about that ... I'm glad it's better now, and I think it's commendable the public have been voting out her tormentors

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“YOu just seem very intelligent.”

Thank you

StarryNight1983
05-12-2013
Originally Posted by anne_666:
“I agree with all of the above.She has to have it out with Alfonso before either of them leave or Amy has got away with her manipulation and downright lies.”

And for me that Is the reason I believe they are both stiill in there - people are hoping one of them says something to each other and then BANG the argument everyone has been waiting for since amy started the shi* stirring!
Cally's mum
05-12-2013
Originally Posted by J Swift:
“You should like me then - I'm like Lucy: I don't mince my words

Bullies are often popular .. I don't think even Amy disliked her, I think she was just made to feel bad about herself and felt intimidated

To me, to many people watching, to bullying campaigners I've read in the media and on Twitter, to Kian, David, Vincent and Alfonso in the camp, it DID look like she was being unfairly picked on and ostracised

(They just showed the clip of Vincent saying that on ITV2's show)

I think to call it "ordinary group dynamics" is to make light of and justify something a lot of people don't find acceptable”

And we have seen less than 16 hours of over 300 in there. And in fact, not a lot of this so-called 'bullying', just constant references to it from the presenters. I think we're all being fooled.

Originally Posted by Gillbm:
“I have to say, from what I have seen, Lucy comes over as really mean and ugly. When she said to Amy something like we were glad you weren't here or we didnt miss you or words to that effect I was shocked. In my opinion there was absolutely no value in saying that. Bitchiness is neither attractive or intelligent.”

'From what you have seen' - there's the issue right there. We have absolutely no idea of the reality of the situation because ITV are spinning for all they're worth. And if people are being taken in by it then that's their problem. I'm not so gullible.

I'm not saying that Lucy hasn't had a problem with Amy - as have some of the others (even the so-called 'nice' ones), but to label her as a 'witch' or 'mean' or any of the other more disgusting epithets which seem so rampant on these boards is utterly ridiculous. People behave like that every day when they come across someone who gets their goat (sometimes for reasons they can't pinpoint. We can't get on with everybody). We have seen perhaps one or two instances of Lucy being exasperated with Amy; all the rest has been blown up out of all proportion by those who present the shows. If there was anything else to show to prove the point they would have done so.

And it amuses me to see that those who revile Lucy the most are the most vile about her - double standards. One rule for forum members, another for an actress in a reality show, it seems. We're all human, with all our faults. And I won't criticise someone when i know that I can be as straight-talking and occasionally as frustrated as them and voice my opinions quite loudly.

Originally Posted by Reality Sucks:
“So we're supposed to take the word of other campmates who didn't like Amy?”

And those who did.

Originally Posted by J Swift:
“Well if only perfect people were allowed to call out bullying, I suspect a lot more bullying would go unnoticed

Well I'd say you're trying to normalise something that shouldn't be tolerated at all in a civilised society

Amy's sister, on Twitter, seemed upset by the treatment she'd witnessed her getting - I can't imagine why she'd want to 'fantasise' about that ... I'm glad it's better now, and I think it's commendable the public have been voting out her tormentors

Thank you

”

Yes, that she had 'seen' - and she only sees what we see. If we were in the camp 24/7 then we would be able to form a full-knowledged picture of what is going on. But we're not. We're just 'told' things and the few very small arguments and scenes are emphasised to the nth degree, picked over and made to seem like much more thsn they are (and then repeated ad infinitum so that it seems that this is going on all the time).

It's such a shame this is still rumbling on. It ruins the enjoyment of the show.
ursula321
05-12-2013
Some people just love to have something to be outraged over. I have seen no evidence of 'bullying', some people don't get on. End of. You can't like everyone and people may rub you up the wrong way. All it takes on a show as heavily edited as this is for Lucy to say the odd thing and it is played that often in the 'previously' segment that people start to belive that this is going on the whole time

I think that because this series has been so dull people just want SOMETHING to talk about.
wonkeydonkey
05-12-2013
Originally Posted by J Swift:
“I think it's commendable the public have been voting out her tormentors
”

I think it is deeply creepy and unpleasant the way Amy's fans have been all over twitter gloating that they are going to pick anyone against Amy (not that they phrase it politely) off one by one; mercifully they haven't been able to, since Amy does not yet rule the world.
Default_User
05-12-2013
all i will say is that she's still there despite being bottom of the poll on here. seems to happen a lot , that
Bandita
05-12-2013
Originally Posted by lexi22:
“I really like Lucy, no idea what size fanbase she has, don't care what anyone else thinks of her, I've seen enough of her in there to form the opinion that she's funny, interesting, straight-talking, good company and a great campmate, and regardless of when she gets evicted, that will still be my opinion. ”

I agree with this although haven't been watching that much and to add I watched Steve Davis on This Morning just now who said Lucy is the funniest person and hard working and good to be around. That's from someone who had to live with her!
Betty Britain
05-12-2013
After the comments from ALL those who have left the camp ..I hope people realise Lucy is being edited very very badly ... Which is disgusting ..itv are purposely trying to ruin her reputation and I'm glad they have all come out and spoke so highly of her
kate03
05-12-2013
Originally Posted by Betty Britain:
“After the comments from ALL those who have left the camp ..I hope people realise Lucy is being edited very very badly ... Which is disgusting ..itv are purposely trying to ruin her reputation and I'm glad they have all come out and spoke so highly of her”

I agree. Phil and Holly on This Morning were dumbstruck when Steve told them that Matthew and Lucy were hilarious company and had the whole camp in stitches every night. When were we ever shown any of that?
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